On Oct 2, 7:33 pm, chemist wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:01 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
On Oct 2, 9:57 am, chemist wrote:
[ . . . ]

There are many many more deaths in cold winters than in hot summers in
the UK

The source of the highly questionable statement above is . . .

IT IS OBVIOUS. Most of all my acquaintances have relatives who
died in winter. None have died from heat stroke, you daft bat.

We already know you're not a chemist. LOL!
Now you show us you're not a scientist too.

Look up the word "anecdotal" as in the phrase
"anecdotal evidence." Then, understand why
scientists totally reject using it.

If you can suppress your overlarge ego long
enough to learn that rather basic lesson,
then get some real data to support your
statement about seasonal mortality.

"Roger Coppock" wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:33 pm, chemist wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:01 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
On Oct 2, 9:57 am, chemist wrote:
[ . . . ]

There are many many more deaths in cold winters than in hot summers
in
the UK

The source of the highly questionable statement above is . . .

IT IS OBVIOUS. Most of all my acquaintances have relatives who
died in winter. None have died from heat stroke, you daft bat.

We already know you're not a chemist. LOL!
Now you show us you're not a scientist too.

Look up the word "anecdotal" as in the phrase
"anecdotal evidence." Then, understand why
scientists totally reject using it.

That's not quite true; a prioi rejection of anecdotal evidence
is dogma. It is very often anecdotal evidence that draws the
attention of scientists to anomalies that are only later found
to be worthy of investigation.

If you can suppress your overlarge ego long
enough to learn that rather basic lesson,
then get some real data to support your
statement about seasonal mortality.

--
altheim

On Oct 3, 6:54 am, Roger Coppock wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:33 pm, chemist wrote:

On Oct 2, 6:01 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
On Oct 2, 9:57 am, chemist wrote:
[ . . . ]

There are many many more deaths in cold winters than in hot summers in
the UK

The source of the highly questionable statement above is . . .

Since you ask - the WHO and the BMA amongst other studies.

Maximum summer temperatures in the UK seldom top 25C for more than a
few days at a time. Cold dark damp winters hovering around 0C for
weeks are much more of a threat to health. The UK has one of the
highest excess winter death rates of all European countries (about
40000 extra annually). See:

http://www.euro.who.int/Housing/Activities/20041013_3

I can't immediately find a free access version of the full UK monthly
stats, but they peak around January and are lowest in August. Stroke
and then influenza are the most seasonally affected causes of death.

France and Paris in particular was caught out by a serious summer
heatwave that coincided with their national holiday weeks. But the
cooler UK climate just had a nice long warm summer.

IT IS OBVIOUS. Most of all my acquaintances have relatives who
died in winter. None have died from heat stroke, you daft bat.

We already know you're not a chemist. LOL!
Now you show us you're not a scientist too.

Be careful. The evidence here is stacked against you. Remember that
the UK is an island with a maritime climate at latitudes 50-55N and
warmed by the Gulf stream. It is much milder than you might expect.

Regards,
Martin Brown

On Oct 3, 2:23 am, Martin Brown
wrote:

http://www.euro.who.int/Housing/Activities/20041013_3

Well, at least you offer solid evidence. The fossil
fools on this newsgroup seldom have anything to back
up their statements. I'd buy into the increased winter
mortality, except for this passage from your link:

"When individual causes are considered, the association is
strongest for myocardial infarction and stroke. Comparison
of monthly mortality rates in different European countries
demonstrated highest mortality rate from all causes in January;
the month with the lowest rate was August. In addition, most
deaths related to "cold exposure" do not take place during or
immediately following exposure, but days later."

The mechanism for the relationship linking myocardial infarction
and stroke to cold temperatures is not explained. There is no
mechanism offered for a delay of days either.

On Oct 3, 1:38 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
On Oct 3, 2:23 am, Martin Brown
wrote:

http://www.euro.who.int/Housing/Activities/20041013_3

Well, at least you offer solid evidence. The fossil
fools on this newsgroup seldom have anything to back
up their statements. I'd buy into the increased winter
mortality, except for this passage from your link:

"When individual causes are considered, the association is
strongest for myocardial infarction and stroke. Comparison
of monthly mortality rates in different European countries
demonstrated highest mortality rate from all causes in January;
the month with the lowest rate was August. In addition, most
deaths related to "cold exposure" do not take place during or
immediately following exposure, but days later."

You are clutching at straws and it does your argument no good at all.

The mechanism for the relationship linking myocardial infarction
and stroke to cold temperatures is not explained. There is no
mechanism offered for a delay of days either.

I am sure that you are capable of using Google, but just in case here
is chapter and verse. It is well known that several risk factors in
the elderly and infirm tend to make their blood more viscous in
winter. Combine that with the generally increased prevalence of
influenza and colds in the winter and you have a mechanism. See for
example:

http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/...full/92/12/747

The correlation between cold weather and mortality is clear enough.
And the reason they don't die instantly is that modern medicine is
really quite good.

What did surprise me is that the winter excess deaths by stroke also
holds in Australia if the following link is to be believed.

http://www.mydr.com.au/default.asp?article=3872

I had assumed that winter in Australia was a lot warmer, and that heat
stress in summer would be an issue.

Regards,
Martin Brown