Scientists always need a engineer to provide practical applications of
their hard work. Just like an engineer needs a scientist for creative
thinking in new directions. Hopefully I can provide some balance to
some of these overly-emotional debates on "global warming" which
concerns me. Partly the emotional side concerns me, and partly the
circumstantial evidence of global warming I see up here in NY.

Being a realist, I think global warming is a good thing for where I
live, as we have (seemingly) 11 months of winter and 1 month of really
bad sledding in a normal year, and now we are down to a more
reasonable 3 months of solid winter and this last summer was sunny,
dry, beautiful. If that is what global warming does for me, bring it
on! As I am lugging in wood for my heat yesterday, grumbling to
myself, I am thinking "it sure would be nice if propane wasn't so
farking expensive!" Then it dawned on me: I need to convince other
people to quick burn the peat bogs in Russia so I wont have to lug in
all of that wood for so long each year. Either that or turn the peat
into compressed logs of it, and sell it to people to burn in 3rd-world
countries that have already denuded their countryside so they can cook
Tiger and Gorilla meat.

j/k. I am a conservationist at heart, an believe we should all be
using renewable resources, but with the quantity of people in this
world, it will never happen. That makes me sad. This is one problem
that is impossible to solve unless you are uncaring or extremely
selfish.

So perhaps the ski resorts will be in for a tough run, and people in
3rd world countries will need to migrate, yet again. Such is the way
of the world.I just am wondering when the climate will change to the
degree that rushes will grow in the deserts. That is when I will start
to worry.

-LS

On Nov 26, 9:23 am, LiquidSquid wrote:
Scientists always need a engineer to provide practical applications of
their hard work. Just like an engineer needs a scientist for creative
thinking in new directions. Hopefully I can provide some balance to
some of these overly-emotional debates on "global warming" which
concerns me. Partly the emotional side concerns me, and partly the
circumstantial evidence of global warming I see up here in NY.

You're welcome. Few scientists visit here any more. Those
of us that do don't post much, especially on global warming,
since most of the people are only interested in hearing overly
emotional opinions that agree with theirs, or arguing profanely
with those that disagree (especially those cross posting from
a couple of other newsgroups). Facts, at least to the extent
that they can be ascertained by science, seem to be little
appreciated.


Being a realist, I think global warming is a good thing for where I
live, as we have (seemingly) 11 months of winter and 1 month of really
bad sledding in a normal year, and now we are down to a more
reasonable 3 months of solid winter and this last summer was sunny,
dry, beautiful. If that is what global warming does for me, bring it
on! As I am lugging in wood for my heat yesterday, grumbling to
myself, I am thinking "it sure would be nice if propane wasn't so
farking expensive!"

About where are you? Here in the middle of the state I don't
mind the winters too much (and I arrived after 20 years in the
Mid-Atlantic states), but I suppose if you're up in the Tug Hill
or Adirondacks you could reasonably feel put upon by the
extent of winter. OTOH, I know someone with a propane
business, and as you suggest below those associated with
winter sports, who happen to like colder weather, so one's
point of view often depends on whose ox gets gored. Also
while warmer winters will decrease grape vine deaths from
extreme cold, too warm will not allow for ice wine production
(that almost happened last winter). Some apple varieties
need a certain amount of cold to produce fruit the following
year. Again, one's reaction may depend on what one has
at stake.

Then it dawned on me: I need to convince other
people to quick burn the peat bogs in Russia so I wont have to lug in
all of that wood for so long each year. Either that or turn the peat
into compressed logs of it, and sell it to people to burn in 3rd-world
countries that have already denuded their countryside so they can cook
Tiger and Gorilla meat.

j/k. I am a conservationist at heart, an believe we should all be
using renewable resources, but with the quantity of people in this
world, it will never happen. That makes me sad. This is one problem
that is impossible to solve unless you are uncaring or extremely
selfish.

So perhaps the ski resorts will be in for a tough run, and people in
3rd world countries will need to migrate, yet again. Such is the way
of the world.I just am wondering when the climate will change to the
degree that rushes will grow in the deserts. That is when I will start
to worry.

-LS

Well, stick around and see if the climate, both globally and
in the newsgroup, improves. :-)

Cheers,
Russell

On Nov 26, 4:11 pm, Russell wrote:
On Nov 26, 9:23 am, LiquidSquid wrote:

Scientists always need a engineer to provide practical applications of
their hard work. Just like an engineer needs a scientist for creative
thinking in new directions. Hopefully I can provide some balance to
some of these overly-emotional debates on "global warming" which
concerns me. Partly the emotional side concerns me, and partly the
circumstantial evidence of global warming I see up here in NY.

You're welcome. Few scientists visit here any more. Those
of us that do don't post much, especially on global warming,
since most of the people are only interested in hearing overly
emotional opinions that agree with theirs, or arguing profanely
with those that disagree (especially those cross posting from
a couple of other newsgroups). Facts, at least to the extent
that they can be ascertained by science, seem to be little
appreciated.



Being a realist, I think global warming is a good thing for where I
live, as we have (seemingly) 11 months of winter and 1 month of really
bad sledding in a normal year, and now we are down to a more
reasonable 3 months of solid winter and this last summer was sunny,
dry, beautiful. If that is what global warming does for me, bring it
on! As I am lugging in wood for my heat yesterday, grumbling to
myself, I am thinking "it sure would be nice if propane wasn't so
farking expensive!"

About where are you? Here in the middle of the state I don't
mind the winters too much (and I arrived after 20 years in the
Mid-Atlantic states), but I suppose if you're up in the Tug Hill
or Adirondacks you could reasonably feel put upon by the
extent of winter. OTOH, I know someone with a propane
business, and as you suggest below those associated with
winter sports, who happen to like colder weather, so one's
point of view often depends on whose ox gets gored. Also
while warmer winters will decrease grape vine deaths from
extreme cold, too warm will not allow for ice wine production
(that almost happened last winter). Some apple varieties
need a certain amount of cold to produce fruit the following
year. Again, one's reaction may depend on what one has
at stake.



Then it dawned on me: I need to convince other
people to quick burn the peat bogs in Russia so I wont have to lug in
all of that wood for so long each year. Either that or turn the peat
into compressed logs of it, and sell it to people to burn in 3rd-world
countries that have already denuded their countryside so they can cook
Tiger and Gorilla meat.

j/k. I am a conservationist at heart, an believe we should all be
using renewable resources, but with the quantity of people in this
world, it will never happen. That makes me sad. This is one problem
that is impossible to solve unless you are uncaring or extremely
selfish.

So perhaps the ski resorts will be in for a tough run, and people in
3rd world countries will need to migrate, yet again. Such is the way
of the world.I just am wondering when the climate will change to the
degree that rushes will grow in the deserts. That is when I will start
to worry.

-LS

Well, stick around and see if the climate, both globally and
in the newsgroup, improves. :-)

Cheers,
Russell

Right smack in the middle of the state, in Bloomfield, NY. I am a
winter weather enthusiast, until it is time to pay the heat bill and
(up to recently) the plow bill. Now I plow myself, but three years ago
I was killed with a $1300 plow bill for the winter!

Ideally winter would be 3 months of solid below freezing, and then
*pop* spring. Last year winter and spring were in some sort of crazy
limbo, trying to make up for that exceptionally odd start. Then we had
that monster storm in April, and we had one foot more snow at the
house then the end of the driveway, with only 200ft of elevation
change.

-LS

On Nov 26, 8:38 pm, LiquidSquid wrote:
On Nov 26, 4:11 pm, Russell wrote:





On Nov 26, 9:23 am, LiquidSquid wrote:

Scientists always need a engineer to provide practical applications of
their hard work. Just like an engineer needs a scientist for creative
thinking in new directions. Hopefully I can provide some balance to
some of these overly-emotional debates on "global warming" which
concerns me. Partly the emotional side concerns me, and partly the
circumstantial evidence of global warming I see up here in NY.

You're welcome. Few scientists visit here any more. Those
of us that do don't post much, especially on global warming,
since most of the people are only interested in hearing overly
emotional opinions that agree with theirs, or arguing profanely
with those that disagree (especially those cross posting from
a couple of other newsgroups). Facts, at least to the extent
that they can be ascertained by science, seem to be little
appreciated.

Being a realist, I think global warming is a good thing for where I
live, as we have (seemingly) 11 months of winter and 1 month of really
bad sledding in a normal year, and now we are down to a more
reasonable 3 months of solid winter and this last summer was sunny,
dry, beautiful. If that is what global warming does for me, bring it
on! As I am lugging in wood for my heat yesterday, grumbling to
myself, I am thinking "it sure would be nice if propane wasn't so
farking expensive!"

About where are you? Here in the middle of the state I don't
mind the winters too much (and I arrived after 20 years in the
Mid-Atlantic states), but I suppose if you're up in the Tug Hill
or Adirondacks you could reasonably feel put upon by the
extent of winter. OTOH, I know someone with a propane
business, and as you suggest below those associated with
winter sports, who happen to like colder weather, so one's
point of view often depends on whose ox gets gored. Also
while warmer winters will decrease grape vine deaths from
extreme cold, too warm will not allow for ice wine production
(that almost happened last winter). Some apple varieties
need a certain amount of cold to produce fruit the following
year. Again, one's reaction may depend on what one has
at stake.

Then it dawned on me: I need to convince other
people to quick burn the peat bogs in Russia so I wont have to lug in
all of that wood for so long each year. Either that or turn the peat
into compressed logs of it, and sell it to people to burn in 3rd-world
countries that have already denuded their countryside so they can cook
Tiger and Gorilla meat.

j/k. I am a conservationist at heart, an believe we should all be
using renewable resources, but with the quantity of people in this
world, it will never happen. That makes me sad. This is one problem
that is impossible to solve unless you are uncaring or extremely
selfish.

So perhaps the ski resorts will be in for a tough run, and people in
3rd world countries will need to migrate, yet again. Such is the way
of the world.I just am wondering when the climate will change to the
degree that rushes will grow in the deserts. That is when I will start
to worry.

-LS

Well, stick around and see if the climate, both globally and
in the newsgroup, improves. :-)

Cheers,
Russell

Right smack in the middle of the state, in Bloomfield, NY.

Unfortunately there are two Bloomfields, but the snowier one is
probably south of Rochester, right?

I am a
winter weather enthusiast, until it is time to pay the heat bill and
(up to recently) the plow bill. Now I plow myself, but three years ago
I was killed with a $1300 plow bill for the winter!

OK, I understand your position better. I'm not a big fan of
shoveling my driveway, but it can be shoveled as opposed to
requiring plowing.


Ideally winter would be 3 months of solid below freezing, and then
*pop* spring. Last year winter and spring were in some sort of crazy
limbo, trying to make up for that exceptionally odd start.

Agreed, last winter was very unusual in New York.

Then we had
that monster storm in April, and we had one foot more snow at the
house then the end of the driveway, with only 200ft of elevation
change.


I'm used to some dramatic weather variations due to topography
around the Finger Lakes, but what you describe is very interesting.
Do you know if the freezing level was in that 200 foot interval?

Cheers,
Russell

On Nov 26, 9:29 pm, Russell wrote:
On Nov 26, 8:38 pm, LiquidSquid wrote:

Right smack in the middle of the state, in Bloomfield, NY.

Unfortunately there are two Bloomfields, but the snowier one is
probably south of Rochester, right?

I am a
winter weather enthusiast, until it is time to pay the heat bill and
(up to recently) the plow bill. Now I plow myself, but three years ago
I was killed with a $1300 plow bill for the winter!

OK, I understand your position better. I'm not a big fan of
shoveling my driveway, but it can be shoveled as opposed to
requiring plowing.



Ideally winter would be 3 months of solid below freezing, and then
*pop* spring. Last year winter and spring were in some sort of crazy
limbo, trying to make up for that exceptionally odd start.

Agreed, last winter was very unusual in New York.

Then we had
that monster storm in April, and we had one foot more snow at the
house then the end of the driveway, with only 200ft of elevation
change.

I'm used to some dramatic weather variations due to topography
around the Finger Lakes, but what you describe is very interesting.
Do you know if the freezing level was in that 200 foot interval?

Cheers,
Russell

Yes, the freezing level was around that level. I am at ~1350 ft at the
house, and the temperature at the house hovered at 32/33 all day. Wet,
heavy snow at the house, slush at the bottom. I am in the Bloomfield
south of Rochester. Images of the April snow at my house is he
http://www.markwyman.com/photos/weather.asp
though this was the next day after that dramatic difference so it
isn't as pronounced. You can see why my plow bill is pretty bad too,
though those shots are with using the 4-wheeler to plow.

Last winter was all-around crappy. Started with an ice-storm, and the
ice never melted leaving 1/3" of ice on all of my wood. Not fun
chiseling ice off of your wood every time you need to toss more wood
on the fire. I can say I have never been more frustrated at being
"green" with heating as last winter.

-LS

On Nov 27, 8:51 am, LiquidSquid wrote:
On Nov 26, 9:29 pm, Russell wrote:





On Nov 26, 8:38 pm, LiquidSquid wrote:
Right smack in the middle of the state, in Bloomfield, NY.

Unfortunately there are two Bloomfields, but the snowier one is
probably south of Rochester, right?

I am a
winter weather enthusiast, until it is time to pay the heat bill and
(up to recently) the plow bill. Now I plow myself, but three years ago
I was killed with a $1300 plow bill for the winter!

OK, I understand your position better. I'm not a big fan of
shoveling my driveway, but it can be shoveled as opposed to
requiring plowing.

Ideally winter would be 3 months of solid below freezing, and then
*pop* spring. Last year winter and spring were in some sort of crazy
limbo, trying to make up for that exceptionally odd start.

Agreed, last winter was very unusual in New York.

Then we had
that monster storm in April, and we had one foot more snow at the
house then the end of the driveway, with only 200ft of elevation
change.

I'm used to some dramatic weather variations due to topography
around the Finger Lakes, but what you describe is very interesting.
Do you know if the freezing level was in that 200 foot interval?

Cheers,
Russell

Yes, the freezing level was around that level. I am at ~1350 ft at the
house, and the temperature at the house hovered at 32/33 all day. Wet,
heavy snow at the house, slush at the bottom. I am in the Bloomfield
south of Rochester. Images of the April snow at my house is hehttp://www.markwyman.com/photos/weather.asp
though this was the next day after that dramatic difference so it
isn't as pronounced. You can see why my plow bill is pretty bad too,
though those shots are with using the 4-wheeler to plow.

Last winter was all-around crappy. Started with an ice-storm, and the
ice never melted leaving 1/3" of ice on all of my wood. Not fun
chiseling ice off of your wood every time you need to toss more wood
on the fire. I can say I have never been more frustrated at being
"green" with heating as last winter.

-LS- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nice weather pix!

Cheers,
Russell

On Nov 28, 9:12 am, Russell wrote:
On Nov 27, 8:51 am, LiquidSquid wrote:



On Nov 26, 9:29 pm, Russell wrote:

On Nov 26, 8:38 pm, LiquidSquid wrote:
Right smack in the middle of the state, in Bloomfield, NY.

Unfortunately there are two Bloomfields, but the snowier one is
probably south of Rochester, right?

I am a
winter weather enthusiast, until it is time to pay the heat bill and
(up to recently) the plow bill. Now I plow myself, but three years ago
I was killed with a $1300 plow bill for the winter!

OK, I understand your position better. I'm not a big fan of
shoveling my driveway, but it can be shoveled as opposed to
requiring plowing.

Ideally winter would be 3 months of solid below freezing, and then
*pop* spring. Last year winter and spring were in some sort of crazy
limbo, trying to make up for that exceptionally odd start.

Agreed, last winter was very unusual in New York.

Then we had
that monster storm in April, and we had one foot more snow at the
house then the end of the driveway, with only 200ft of elevation
change.

I'm used to some dramatic weather variations due to topography
around the Finger Lakes, but what you describe is very interesting.
Do you know if the freezing level was in that 200 foot interval?

Cheers,
Russell

Yes, the freezing level was around that level. I am at ~1350 ft at the
house, and the temperature at the house hovered at 32/33 all day. Wet,
heavy snow at the house, slush at the bottom. I am in the Bloomfield
south of Rochester. Images of the April snow at my house is hehttp://www.markwyman.com/photos/weather.asp
though this was the next day after that dramatic difference so it
isn't as pronounced. You can see why my plow bill is pretty bad too,
though those shots are with using the 4-wheeler to plow.

Last winter was all-around crappy. Started with an ice-storm, and the
ice never melted leaving 1/3" of ice on all of my wood. Not fun
chiseling ice off of your wood every time you need to toss more wood
on the fire. I can say I have never been more frustrated at being
"green" with heating as last winter.

-LS- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nice weather pix!

Cheers,
Russell

Thanks! Did you see this while you were visiting? Shhh... not ready
for prime-time yet.
http://www.markwyman.com/projects/sfericMonitor.asp

On Nov 29, 9:38 am, LiquidSquid wrote:
On Nov 28, 9:12 am, Russell wrote:





On Nov 27, 8:51 am, LiquidSquid wrote:

On Nov 26, 9:29 pm, Russell wrote:

On Nov 26, 8:38 pm, LiquidSquid wrote:
Right smack in the middle of the state, in Bloomfield, NY.

Unfortunately there are two Bloomfields, but the snowier one is
probably south of Rochester, right?

I am a
winter weather enthusiast, until it is time to pay the heat bill and
(up to recently) the plow bill. Now I plow myself, but three years ago
I was killed with a $1300 plow bill for the winter!

OK, I understand your position better. I'm not a big fan of
shoveling my driveway, but it can be shoveled as opposed to
requiring plowing.

Ideally winter would be 3 months of solid below freezing, and then
*pop* spring. Last year winter and spring were in some sort of crazy
limbo, trying to make up for that exceptionally odd start.

Agreed, last winter was very unusual in New York.

Then we had
that monster storm in April, and we had one foot more snow at the
house then the end of the driveway, with only 200ft of elevation
change.

I'm used to some dramatic weather variations due to topography
around the Finger Lakes, but what you describe is very interesting.
Do you know if the freezing level was in that 200 foot interval?

Cheers,
Russell

Yes, the freezing level was around that level. I am at ~1350 ft at the
house, and the temperature at the house hovered at 32/33 all day. Wet,
heavy snow at the house, slush at the bottom. I am in the Bloomfield
south of Rochester. Images of the April snow at my house is hehttp://www.markwyman.com/photos/weather.asp
though this was the next day after that dramatic difference so it
isn't as pronounced. You can see why my plow bill is pretty bad too,
though those shots are with using the 4-wheeler to plow.

Last winter was all-around crappy. Started with an ice-storm, and the
ice never melted leaving 1/3" of ice on all of my wood. Not fun
chiseling ice off of your wood every time you need to toss more wood
on the fire. I can say I have never been more frustrated at being
"green" with heating as last winter.

-LS- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nice weather pix!

Cheers,
Russell

Thanks! Did you see this while you were visiting? Shhh... not ready
for prime-time yet.http://www.markwyman.com/projects/sfericMonitor.asp- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, I missed that. You're seriously into things. OTOH I
have not put out the remote thermometer I got for Christmas
last year yet, but my raingauge works. :-)

Cheers,
Russell