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May was 11th warmest on the 129-year NASA global data record.
Even though May of this year is 11th warmest, it still is above the 129-year trend line. In the long term therefore, global mean surface temperatures continue an accelerated rise. Lately, fossil fools fondly repeat a lie about global warming slowing down. "Global warming ended in 1998," they say. The truth is published here every month in this section of these reports: The month of May in the year 2008, is linearly projected to be 14.309, yet it was 14.36. - above trend line Using the line of regression, the temperature is projected. If global warming reversed, the actual measured temperatures would have to fall below the line of regression temperature, and do so for a year or more. So far this has not happened, not for even two months in a row. Measured temperatures which are nearly always above projected temperatures mean that the temperature rise is accelerating. This is simple geometry. Each above the line measured global temperature raises the slope of the regression line when that new point joins the data. This pattern is now 5 decades old. Please see: http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Slope1952-2007.jpg Clearly therefore, the fossil fools lie, and global mean surface temperatures continue to rise. These globally averaged temperature data come from NASA: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ta...LB.Ts+dSST.txt They represent the results of tens of millions of readings taken at thousands of land stations and ships around the globe over the last 129 years. Yes, the land data are corrected for the urban heat island effect. The sea data do not need to be. There are few urban centers in the sea. The last 128 yearly means of these data are graphed at: http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Glob...ean%20Temp.jpg The Mean May temperature over the last 129 years is 13.962 C. The Variance is 0.06269. The Standard Deviation is 0.2504. Rxy 0.806223 Rxy^2 0.649996 TEMP = 13.609654 + (0.005421 * (YEAR-1879)) Degrees of Freedom = 127 F = 235.853086 Confidence of nonzero correlation = approximately 0.999999999999999999999999999999 (30 nines), which is darn close to 100%! The month of May in the year 2008, is linearly projected to be 14.309, yet it was 14.36. - above trend line The sum of the residuals is 15.342221 Exponential least squares fit: TEMP = 13.613209 * e^(.0003868 * (YEAR-1879)) The sum of the residuals is 15.297205 Rank of the months of May Year Temp C Anomaly Z score 1998 14.61 0.648 2.59 2007 14.56 0.598 2.39 2002 14.56 0.598 2.39 2005 14.55 0.588 2.35 2003 14.51 0.548 2.19 2001 14.51 0.548 2.19 2006 14.42 0.458 1.83 2004 14.37 0.408 1.63 1990 14.37 0.408 1.63 1988 14.37 0.408 1.63 2008 14.36 0.398 1.59 -- 1997 14.32 0.358 1.43 1991 14.30 0.338 1.35 MEAN 13.962 0.000 0.00 1894 13.67 -0.292 -1.17 1910 13.66 -0.302 -1.21 1903 13.66 -0.302 -1.21 1898 13.66 -0.302 -1.21 1893 13.64 -0.322 -1.29 1885 13.64 -0.322 -1.29 1909 13.61 -0.352 -1.41 1904 13.61 -0.352 -1.41 1913 13.60 -0.362 -1.45 1911 13.60 -0.362 -1.45 1918 13.56 -0.402 -1.61 1890 13.56 -0.402 -1.61 1907 13.51 -0.452 -1.81 1917 13.46 -0.502 -2.00 The most recent 171 continuous months, or 14 years and 3 months, on this GLB.Ts+dSST.txt data set are all above the 1951-1980 data set norm of 14 C. There are 1541 months of data on this data set: -- 662 of them are at or above the norm. -- 879 of them are below the norm. This run of 171 months above the norm is the result of a warming world. It is too large to occur by chance at any reasonable level of confidence. A major volcano eruption, thermonuclear war, or meteor impact could stop this warming trend for a couple of years, otherwise expect it to continue. |
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A major volcano eruption, thermonuclear war, or meteor impact could stop this warming trend for a couple of years, otherwise expect it to continue. Roger admit it, the Earth is cooling and this statement is wrong |
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![]() "Roger Coppock" wrote in message ... May was 11th warmest on the 129-year NASA global data record. Even though May of this year is 11th warmest, it still is above the 129-year trend line. In the long term therefore, global mean surface temperatures continue an accelerated rise. Arctic temps accounts for the majority of the increase of the 'average' global temperature. Dirty snow causes up to 94% of the observed arctic temperature changes. Soot is the problem, not CO2. Lately, fossil fools fondly repeat a lie about global warming slowing down. "Global warming ended in 1998," they say. The truth is published here every month in this section of these reports: The month of May in the year 2008, is linearly projected to be 14.309, yet it was 14.36. - above trend line Using the line of regression, the temperature is projected. If global warming reversed, the actual measured temperatures would have to fall below the line of regression temperature, and do so for a year or more. So far this has not happened, not for even two months in a row. Measured temperatures which are nearly always above projected temperatures mean that the temperature rise is accelerating. This is simple geometry. Each above the line measured global temperature raises the slope of the regression line when that new point joins the data. This pattern is now 5 decades old. Please see: http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Slope1952-2007.jpg Clearly therefore, the fossil fools lie, and global mean surface temperatures continue to rise. These globally averaged temperature data come from NASA: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ta...LB.Ts+dSST.txt They represent the results of tens of millions of readings taken at thousands of land stations and ships around the globe over the last 129 years. Yes, the land data are corrected for the urban heat island effect. The sea data do not need to be. There are few urban centers in the sea. The last 128 yearly means of these data are graphed at: http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Glob...ean%20Temp.jpg The Mean May temperature over the last 129 years is 13.962 C. The Variance is 0.06269. The Standard Deviation is 0.2504. Rxy 0.806223 Rxy^2 0.649996 TEMP = 13.609654 + (0.005421 * (YEAR-1879)) Degrees of Freedom = 127 F = 235.853086 Confidence of nonzero correlation = approximately 0.999999999999999999999999999999 (30 nines), which is darn close to 100%! The month of May in the year 2008, is linearly projected to be 14.309, yet it was 14.36. - above trend line The sum of the residuals is 15.342221 Exponential least squares fit: TEMP = 13.613209 * e^(.0003868 * (YEAR-1879)) The sum of the residuals is 15.297205 Rank of the months of May Year Temp C Anomaly Z score 1998 14.61 0.648 2.59 2007 14.56 0.598 2.39 2002 14.56 0.598 2.39 2005 14.55 0.588 2.35 2003 14.51 0.548 2.19 2001 14.51 0.548 2.19 2006 14.42 0.458 1.83 2004 14.37 0.408 1.63 1990 14.37 0.408 1.63 1988 14.37 0.408 1.63 2008 14.36 0.398 1.59 -- 1997 14.32 0.358 1.43 1991 14.30 0.338 1.35 MEAN 13.962 0.000 0.00 1894 13.67 -0.292 -1.17 1910 13.66 -0.302 -1.21 1903 13.66 -0.302 -1.21 1898 13.66 -0.302 -1.21 1893 13.64 -0.322 -1.29 1885 13.64 -0.322 -1.29 1909 13.61 -0.352 -1.41 1904 13.61 -0.352 -1.41 1913 13.60 -0.362 -1.45 1911 13.60 -0.362 -1.45 1918 13.56 -0.402 -1.61 1890 13.56 -0.402 -1.61 1907 13.51 -0.452 -1.81 1917 13.46 -0.502 -2.00 The most recent 171 continuous months, or 14 years and 3 months, on this GLB.Ts+dSST.txt data set are all above the 1951-1980 data set norm of 14 C. There are 1541 months of data on this data set: -- 662 of them are at or above the norm. -- 879 of them are below the norm. This run of 171 months above the norm is the result of a warming world. It is too large to occur by chance at any reasonable level of confidence. A major volcano eruption, thermonuclear war, or meteor impact could stop this warming trend for a couple of years, otherwise expect it to continue. |
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Arctic temps accounts for the majority of the increase of the 'average' global temperature. Dirty snow causes up to 94% of the observed arctic temperature changes. Soot is the problem, not CO2. Cuz you sez so, right? That should be good enough for any crackpot or Gomer. |
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![]() Roger Coppock wrote: This run of 171 months above the norm is the result of a warming world. It is too large to occur by chance at any reasonable level of confidence. A major volcano eruption, thermonuclear war, or meteor impact could stop this warming trend for a couple of years, otherwise expect it to continue. He is wrong .he Earth's temperature may stay roughly the same for a decade, as natural climate cycles enter a cooling phase, scientists have predicted. A new computer model developed by German researchers, reported in the journal Nature, suggests the cooling will counter greenhouse warming. However, temperatures will again be rising quickly by about 2020, they say. Other climate scientists have welcomed the research, saying it may help societies plan better for the future. See how modelled temperatures may develop The key to the new prediction is the natural cycle of ocean temperatures called the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO), which is closely related to the warm currents that bring heat from the tropics to the shores of Europe. The cause of the oscillation is not well understood, but the cycle appears to come round about every 60 to 70 years. Imagine the payoff of knowing with some certainty what the next 10 years hold in terms of temperature and precipitation Professor Michael Schlesinger It may partly explain why temperatures rose in the early years of the last century before beginning to cool in the 1940s. "One message from our study is that in the short term, you can see changes in the global mean temperature that you might not expect given the reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)," said Noel Keenlyside from the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences at Kiel University. His group's projection diverges from other computer models only for about 15-20 years; after that, the curves come back together and temperatures rise. "In the long term, radiative forcing (the Earth's energy balance) dominates. But it's important for policymakers to realise the pattern," he told BBC News. Deep patterns Modelling of climatic events in the oceans is difficult, simply because there is relatively little data on some of the key processes, such as the meridional overturning circulation (MOC) - sometimes erroneously known as the Gulf Stream - which carries heat northwards in the Atlantic. Only within the last few years have researchers begun systematically deploying mobile floats and tethered buoys that will, in time, tell us how this circulation is changing. Atlantic circulation Enlarge Image As a substitute for direct measurements of the MOC, the Kiel team used data going back 50 years from the Labrador Sea, where warm water gives up its heat to the atmosphere and sinks, before returning southward lower in the ocean. Combining this ocean data with established models of global warming, they were able to generate a stream of model results that mimicked well temperatures observed in the recent past over the north Atlantic, western Europe and North America. Looking forward, the model projects a weakening of the MOC and a resulting cooling of north Atlantic waters, which will act to keep temperatures in check around the world, much as the warming and cooling associated with El Nino and La Nina in the Pacific bring global consequences. "We have to take into account that there are uncertainties in our model; but it does suggest a plateauing of temperatures, and then a continued rise," said Dr Keenlyside. 'No distraction' The projection does not come as a surprise to climate scientists, though it may to a public that has perhaps become used to the idea that the rapid temperature rises seen through the 1990s are a permanent phenomenon. "We've always known that the climate varies naturally from year to year and decade to decade," said Richard Wood from the UK's Hadley Centre, who reviewed the new research for Nature. "We expect man-made global warming to be superimposed on those natural variations; and this kind of research is important to make sure we don't get distracted from the longer term changes that will happen in the climate (as a result of greenhouse gas emissions)." Buoys. Image: Nerc Ocean buoys should produce more data about the Atlantic oscillation Dr Wood cautions that this kind of modelling is in its infancy; and once data can be brought directly from the Atlantic depths, that may change the view of how the AMO works and what it means for the global climate. As with the unusually cold weather seen recently in much of the northern hemisphere - linked to La Nina conditions - he emphasises that even if the Kiel model proves correct, it is not an indication that the longer-term climate projections of the IPCC and many other institutions are wrong. Michael Schlesinger, the US scientist who characterised the AMO in 1994, described the new model as "very exciting". "No doubt we need to have more data from the deep ocean, and we don't have that at present," the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign researcher told BBC News. "But imagine the payoff of knowing with some certainty what the next 10 years hold in terms of temperature and precipitation - the economic impacts of that would be significant." |
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![]() "kT" wrote in message ... tvor wrote: Arctic temps accounts for the majority of the increase of the 'average' global temperature. Dirty snow causes up to 94% of the observed arctic temperature changes. Soot is the problem, not CO2. Cuz you sez so, right? That should be good enough for any crackpot or Gomer. www.google.com |
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On Jun 9, 11:36*am, chemist wrote:
Roger Coppock wrote: This run of 171 months above the norm is the result of a warming world. *It is too large to occur by chance at any reasonable level of confidence. *A major volcano eruption, thermonuclear war, or meteor impact could stop this warming trend for a couple of years, otherwise expect it to continue. He is wrong .he Earth's temperature may stay roughly the same for a decade, as natural climate cycles enter a cooling phase, scientists have predicted. They may be scientists. And they may have put forth a prediction. But that doesn't mean there is any scientific validity to the prediction. Any scientists that pretends to predict anything more than the next couple of days weather is a liar. A new computer model developed by German researchers, reported in the journal Nature, suggests the cooling will counter greenhouse warming. Computer models are worthless. However, temperatures will again be rising quickly by about 2020, Absurd. They have no scientific basis for such a prediction. they say. Other climate scientists have welcomed the research, saying it may help societies plan better for the future. Bull****. All it is going to do is help insure they get grant funding. See how modelled temperatures may develop The key to the new prediction is the natural cycle of ocean temperatures called the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO), which is closely related to the warm currents that bring heat from the tropics to the shores of Europe. Oh, this is "the" key. We get new keys every week. The cause of the oscillation is not well understood, but the cycle appears to come round about every 60 to 70 years. Imagine the payoff of knowing with some certainty what the next 10 years hold in terms of temperature and precipitation Professor Michael Schlesinger Imagine if we could travel faster than light. It may partly explain why temperatures rose in the early years of the last century before beginning to cool in the 1940s. "One message from our study is that in the short term, you can see changes in the global mean temperature that you might not expect given the reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)," said Noel Keenlyside from the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences at Kiel University. His group's projection diverges from other computer models only for about 15-20 years; after that, the curves come back together and temperatures rise. "In the long term, radiative forcing (the Earth's energy balance) dominates. But it's important for policymakers to realise the pattern," he told BBC News. Deep patterns Modelling of climatic events in the oceans is difficult, simply because there is relatively little data on some of the key processes, such as the meridional overturning circulation (MOC) - sometimes erroneously known as the Gulf Stream - which carries heat northwards in the Atlantic. Only within the last few years have researchers begun systematically deploying mobile floats and tethered buoys that will, in time, tell us how this circulation is changing. Atlantic circulation Enlarge Image As a substitute for direct measurements of the MOC, the Kiel team used data going back 50 years from the Labrador Sea, where warm water gives up its heat to the atmosphere and sinks, before returning southward lower in the ocean. Combining this ocean data with established models of global warming, they were able to generate a stream of model results that mimicked well temperatures observed in the recent past over the north Atlantic, western Europe and North America. Looking forward, the model projects a weakening of the MOC and a resulting cooling of north Atlantic waters, which will act to keep temperatures in check around the world, much as the warming and cooling associated with El Nino and La Nina in the Pacific bring global consequences. "We have to take into account that there are uncertainties in our model; but it does suggest a plateauing of temperatures, and then a continued rise," said Dr Keenlyside. 'No distraction' The projection does not come as a surprise to climate scientists, though it may to a public that has perhaps become used to the idea that the rapid temperature rises seen through the 1990s are a permanent phenomenon. "We've always known that the climate varies naturally from year to year and decade to decade," said Richard Wood from the UK's Hadley Centre, who reviewed the new research for Nature. "We expect man-made global warming to be superimposed on those natural variations; and this kind of research is important to make sure we don't get distracted from the longer term changes that will happen in the climate (as a result of greenhouse gas emissions)." Buoys. Image: Nerc Ocean buoys should produce more data about the Atlantic oscillation Dr Wood cautions that this kind of modelling is in its infancy; and once data can be brought directly from the Atlantic depths, that may change the view of how the AMO works and what it means for the global climate. As with the unusually cold weather seen recently in much of the northern hemisphere - linked to La Nina conditions - he emphasises that even if the Kiel model proves correct, it is not an indication that the longer-term climate projections of the IPCC and many other institutions are wrong. Michael Schlesinger, the US scientist who characterised the AMO in 1994, described the new model as "very exciting". "No doubt we need to have more data from the deep ocean, and we don't have that at present," the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign researcher told BBC News. "But imagine the payoff of knowing with some certainty what the next 10 years hold in terms of temperature and precipitation - the economic impacts of that would be significant." |
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On Jun 9, 11:21*am, "tvor" wrote:
[ . . . ] Arctic temps accounts for the majority of the increase of *the 'average' global temperature. *Dirty snow causes up to 94% of the observed arctic temperature changes. *Soot is the problem, not CO2. What you describe is called the BC, (for Black Carbon,) effect As you can see from these data, greenhouse gases dominate this small effect. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelforce/ |
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. A major volcano eruption, thermonuclear war, or meteor impact could stop this warming trend for a couple of years, otherwise expect it to continue. Roger admit it, the Earth is cooling and this statement is wrong Bull**** Bolger already knows the current 'cooling' is temporary - he's simply lying. |
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On Jun 9, 11:19*am, chemist wrote:
Roger Coppock wrote: A major volcano eruption, thermonuclear war, or meteor impact could stop this warming trend for a couple of years, otherwise expect it to continue. Roger admit it, the Earth is cooling and this statement is wrong Please be a scientist and show data to support that the Earth's surface is cooling. Remember, it takes about three decades to establish a climate trend. |
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