How did this man die?

Dolly leaves 1 dead in Mexico, thousands without electricity
Last Updated: Friday, July 25, 2008 | 10:19 AM ET Comments2Recommend7
CBC News

One man in Mexico is dead in the aftermath of Hurricane Dolly — now
downgraded to a tropical depression — and thousands remained without
power Friday.

The man was electrocuted in Matamoros on Wednesday after stepping on a
power line while walking in waist-deep water, say emergency officials.

The storm, which continued to dump rain over Texas and Mexico on
Friday, made landfall Wednesday as a hurricane just north of the
border in Texas.

The hurricane ripped off roofs, flooded roads and damaged power lines,
but the Rio Grande levees held strong.

Tamaulipas state Gov. Eugenio Hernandez said power would soon be
completely restored in Matamoros, a city of 600,000 across the Rio
Grande from Brownsville, Texas. He said streets now under water should
be drained shortly.

The governor said the damage was generally minor across Mexico's Gulf
coast region.

About 2,500 police and soldiers patrolled to prevent looting, while
many of the 13,000 people who took refuge in 21 shelters in Tamaulipas
state already had gone home.

U.S. President George W. Bush has declared 15 Texas counties a
disaster area, as insurance estimators put the losses at $750 million
US.

About 159,000 people in the region were still without power late
Thursday night, according to Texas Gov. Rick Perry's office, a figure
that was down from 228,000 earlier in the day.
With files from the Associated Press

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/07/25/dolly.html

How did the electricity leave the water? And why would it not prefer
to run through the cable?

If he had bumped his head on the power line I could understand it.

*******

Point 2:
How does glowballs increase hurricane intensities?

It's my impression that the cause of hurricanes is calm winds llowing
the extreme cold aloft to react with the unusually warm patch at sea
level.

Overall the heat parcel is cool not warm. The result in an hurricane
passing is that the sea surface temperature is cooler not warmer.

*******

Finally:
When wind acts on the surface of the sea it is said to raise large
swells that can reach over 40 feet. Some have claimed there are
occasional 100 feet high waves.

Be that last as it may, how does the wind manage to stop the water
layers shearing for long enough to affect more than a few millimetres
at a time?

Sam Wormley wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote:
How did this man die?

Dolly leaves 1 dead in Mexico, thousands without electricity
Last Updated: Friday, July 25, 2008 | 10:19 AM ET Comments2Recommend7
CBC News

One man in Mexico is dead in the aftermath of Hurricane Dolly — now
downgraded to a tropical depression — and thousands remained without
power Friday.

The man was electrocuted in Matamoros on Wednesday after stepping on
a power line while walking in waist-deep water, say emergency
officials.


o Current flows through all the conductors (to ground)

Close Sam,
It is more like this:
Cureent flows through the "path of least resistance" to ground.
The man, having lots more electrolytes than the water surrounding him,
became the "path of least resistance" instead of the water itself the
electric line
was already trying to ground itself in.


--
James M Driscoll Jr
Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory
Spaceman

On Jul 26, 4:43 pm, "Spaceman"
wrote:
Sam Wormley wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote:

One man in Mexico is dead in the aftermath of Hurricane Dolly

The man was electrocuted in Matamoros on Wednesday after stepping on
a power line while walking in waist-deep water, say emergency officials.

Current flows through all the conductors (to ground)

Current flows through the "path of least resistance" to ground.
The man, having lots more electrolytes than the water surrounding him,
became the "path of least resistance" instead of the water itself the
electric line was already trying to ground itself in.

If he was barefooted and plugged into the mains it would still have to
pass from the line (which would be earthing anyway) to the water, to
the man, to his heart.

I was in a flood once where the transformer for the place was half
under water. There was electricity shorting through the water as the
streets were plugged into the national Grid until they switched the
transformer station off..

Maybe it was only single phase, 240 volts or may it was the whole 9
yards. But it only felt like I was wading through weeds. And I never
felt a thing above the waterline.

Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Jul 26, 4:43 pm, "Spaceman"
wrote:
Sam Wormley wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote:

One man in Mexico is dead in the aftermath of Hurricane Dolly

The man was electrocuted in Matamoros on Wednesday after stepping
on
a power line while walking in waist-deep water, say emergency
officials.

Current flows through all the conductors (to ground)

Current flows through the "path of least resistance" to ground.
The man, having lots more electrolytes than the water surrounding
him, became the "path of least resistance" instead of the water
itself the electric line was already trying to ground itself in.

If he was barefooted and plugged into the mains it would still have to
pass from the line (which would be earthing anyway) to the water, to
the man, to his heart.

He stepped on the power and was also stepping on the ground
The electricity used his entire body as the conductor.
Up one leg, and because electricity would rather flow instead
of taking sharp corners at such speed, it went through his heart
also and the down the other leg.
(It more than likely also bounced all around the entire body
including even his arms for a bit.)
Sadly.


I was in a flood once where the transformer for the place was half
under water. There was electricity shorting through the water as the
streets were plugged into the national Grid until they switched the
transformer station off..

Maybe it was only single phase, 240 volts or may it was the whole 9
yards. But it only felt like I was wading through weeds. And I never
felt a thing above the waterline.

He still had to be the "better conductor" for the electricity to
pick him instead of the water.
As I said. Electricity flows through the "least resistive" path.
If he was not a better conductor (more than likely from electrolytes)
than the water itself was, he would not have been shocked of would not get
near as much shock as he did get.

--
James M Driscoll Jr
Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory
Spaceman

On Jul 26, 6:36 pm, "Spaceman"
wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Jul 26, 4:43 pm, "Spaceman"
wrote:
Sam Wormley wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote:

One man in Mexico is dead in the aftermath of Hurricane Dolly

The man was electrocuted in Matamoros on Wednesday after stepping
on
a power line while walking in waist-deep water, say emergency
officials.

Current flows through all the conductors (to ground)

Current flows through the "path of least resistance" to ground.
The man, having lots more electrolytes than the water surrounding
him, became the "path of least resistance" instead of the water
itself the electric line was already trying to ground itself in.

If he was barefooted and plugged into the mains it would still have to
pass from the line (which would be earthing anyway) to the water, to
the man, to his heart.

He stepped on the power and was also stepping on the ground
The electricity used his entire body as the conductor.
Up one leg, and because electricity would rather flow instead
of taking sharp corners at such speed, it went through his heart
also and the down the other leg.
(It more than likely also bounced all around the entire body
including even his arms for a bit.)
Sadly.


I was in a flood once where the transformer for the place was half
under water. There was electricity shorting through the water as the
streets were plugged into the national Grid until they switched the
transformer station off..

Maybe it was only single phase, 240 volts or may it was the whole 9
yards. But it only felt like I was wading through weeds. And I never
felt a thing above the waterline.

He still had to be the "better conductor" for the electricity to
pick him instead of the water.
As I said. Electricity flows through the "least resistive" path.
If he was not a better conductor (more than likely from electrolytes)
than the water itself was, he would not have been shocked of would not get
near as much shock as he did get.

People are not that good at conducting electricity and even if that
particular example of the species was better at conducting it than a
flood full of water, he'd not be better than that of the original
cable.

So where was this superconductor diverting the current to?

Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Jul 26, 6:36 pm, "Spaceman"
wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Jul 26, 4:43 pm, "Spaceman"
wrote:
Sam Wormley wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote:

One man in Mexico is dead in the aftermath of Hurricane Dolly

The man was electrocuted in Matamoros on Wednesday after stepping
on
a power line while walking in waist-deep water, say emergency
officials.

Current flows through all the conductors (to ground)

Current flows through the "path of least resistance" to ground.
The man, having lots more electrolytes than the water surrounding
him, became the "path of least resistance" instead of the water
itself the electric line was already trying to ground itself in.

If he was barefooted and plugged into the mains it would still have
to pass from the line (which would be earthing anyway) to the
water, to the man, to his heart.

He stepped on the power and was also stepping on the ground
The electricity used his entire body as the conductor.
Up one leg, and because electricity would rather flow instead
of taking sharp corners at such speed, it went through his heart
also and the down the other leg.
(It more than likely also bounced all around the entire body
including even his arms for a bit.)
Sadly.


I was in a flood once where the transformer for the place was half
under water. There was electricity shorting through the water as the
streets were plugged into the national Grid until they switched the
transformer station off..

Maybe it was only single phase, 240 volts or may it was the whole 9
yards. But it only felt like I was wading through weeds. And I never
felt a thing above the waterline.

He still had to be the "better conductor" for the electricity to
pick him instead of the water.
As I said. Electricity flows through the "least resistive" path.
If he was not a better conductor (more than likely from electrolytes)
than the water itself was, he would not have been shocked of would
not get near as much shock as he did get.

People are not that good at conducting electricity and even if that
particular example of the species was better at conducting it than a
flood full of water, he'd not be better than that of the original
cable.

So where was this superconductor diverting the current to?

If people are not that good of a conductor, then he should not
have been shocked and the water should have been a better path to
begin with.
And where you get "supercunductor at all" is a good mystery.
and I told you, if he was walking, both feet touched the ground.
One was the contact to the wire, and one was the "ground".
The cable was either to long of a path or too resistive.
(as in maybe even broken with no path at all "yet".)

--
James M Driscoll Jr
Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory
Spaceman

Sam Wormley wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote:


People are not that good at conducting electricity and even if that
particular example of the species was better at conducting it than a
flood full of water, he'd not be better than that of the original
cable.

So where was this superconductor diverting the current to?


Current doesn't just flow trough the path with the lowest
resistance... it flows through all the conductors available
to it.



http://people.sinclair.edu/nickreede...Resistors3.gif

man, water, wire....

True,
my bad


--
James M Driscoll Jr
Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory
Spaceman

On Jul 26, 10:30 am, Weatherlawyer wrote:

How does glowballs increase hurricane intensities?

If the cause of hurricanes is calm winds allowing the extreme cold aloft
to react with the unusually warm patch at sea level.

Overall the heat parcel is cool not warm. The result in an hurricane
passing is that the sea surface temperature is cooler not warmer.

This heat flow brings to mind the problem of vorticity. As a general
rule forces in fields tend to level out as soon as they can -it's why
things short circuit, so heat tends to dissipate ASAP I imagine.

As it is held in a medium that is infinitely divisable, it is easy to
wreck a flowing stream of it.

On the other hand it would be a medium that would find stream lines
easily because of that. And once it had decided the rotation
process...
How would it do that? Is it possible that hot air is finding straight
lines or whatever it can in the geodesics to outlet the heat as if it
is obeying the lose it fast rule?

Anyway, as it shears apart, the "bend it like Beckam" problem of small
spheres comes into play. Ballistics. You can just get hold of a
footbal and give it a kick slightly off centre or you can look deeper
he
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemannian_geometry

Pressure in the front of a rising bubble of air is greater than the
pressure behind it. And presumably the same is true of bubbles of cold
air falling through warmer air:

A fluid stream exerts a drag force.
One-third is transmitted to a sphere by shear stresses near the
equator, and the remaining two-thirds are due to the pressure being
higher at the front of the sphere than at the rear.

As the velocity increases and the boundary layer decreases in
thickness it becomes less and less important compared with the effect
of the pressure difference.

(But can pressure differences have pressure differences? Or to put it
anothe way how can air flow past air?)

The principles of dimensional analysis can be invoked to show that,
provided the compressibility of the fluid is irrelevant (i.e.,
provided the flow velocity is well below the speed of sound), the drag
coefficient must be some universal function of another dimensionless
quantity known as the Reynolds number.

Fortunately this only applies to thunder.

Unfortunately there is an awful lot of thunder involved.

On Jul 26, 9:43 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:

(But can pressure differences have pressure differences? Or to put it
another way how can air flow past air?)

I have been trying to convince myself that the reasoning behind
meteorlogical phenomena is the correct one and that the vastness of my
ignorance is coupling with my inability to learn in order to thwart my
understanding of "Cyclogenesis":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclogenesis

But all I can find are observations and not physical principles.

Why are cyclones warm cored if the cause is heat rising?

Logic would suggest that cold air rushing through the ever expanding
column would be confined to a louche centre. At best it would be a
turbid flow. Vorticity should never occur and if it did, not be able
to contain expanding air.

Not only does it defy logic but it manages to convey this defiance at
a rate of 10 to 15 knots.

Not only is this amazing miracle of impossibilities transferred from A
to B but it is a regular occurrence and predictable. The motion is
ALWAYS in the same direction and wind speeds can reach hundreds of
miles an hour in them.

NOT JUST UP AND DOWN.

The wind speeds recorded as data are the lateral ones. Down draughts
and updraughts are not even considered in meteorology as far as I can
see.

Am I being silly here?

Is there something so triflingly obvious that needs no explanation,
that I can't see owing to being too thick?

On Jul 26, 9:43 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:

The principles of dimensional analysis can be invoked to show that,
provided the compressibility of the fluid is irrelevant
(i.e.,provided the flow velocity is well below the speed of sound)
the drag coefficient must be some universal function of another
dimensionless quantity known as the Reynolds number.

That was more or less a quote from The Encyclopedia Britannica. And it
was really referring to islands in the stream or more importantly,
aviation.

Fortunately this only applies to thunder.

That was in reference to "...the drag coefficient must be some
universal function..." where it breaks down. The theory holds good for
slow speeds, apparently.

Unfortunately there is an awful lot of thunder involved.
And was me trying to be clever.