On Dec 10, 5:01*pm, "nozbo" wrote:
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"Bill Ward" wrote in message
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Here's a promising looking draft of a fairly heavy duty book on
basic climate physics.

I've just skimmed through a few places, but at first glance, it looks
pretty useful, with a lot of explanations.

http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/Cli...limateVol1.pdf

Here's anothet promising book ...

http://joannenova.com.au/globalwarmi...andbook1-4.pdf

Warmest Regards

Bonzo

Here's a model you might find of interest regardless of whether you
are a true believer or a skeptic-

http://my.net-link.net/~malexan/Climate-Model.htm

Here's one by Held and Soden that true believers will like:
http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~gth/netsca...0/annrev00.pdf

Here's a simple AGW model supplied by "realclimate": AGWers will like
it:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...-simple-model/

Here's an interesting article on planetary atmospheres:

http://lasp.colorado.edu/~bagenal/3720/


This is an anti- (or negligible) agw model:

http://www.junkscience.com/jan08/Glo...2_20080124.pdf


I find reading these articles like eating peanuts. I can't stop with
just one. True believers won't like this site:

http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/climatology.htm

Here's another skeptical site:

http://members.shaw.ca/sch25/FOS/Cli...e_Science.html

- A. McIntire

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On Dec 10, 5:01 pm, "nozbo" wrote:
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"Bill Ward" wrote in message
newsan.2008.12.10.16.29.02.603965@REMOVETHISix. netcom.com...

Here's a promising looking draft of a fairly heavy duty book on
basic climate physics.

I've just skimmed through a few places, but at first glance, it looks
pretty useful, with a lot of explanations.

http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/Cli...limateVol1.pdf

Here's anothet promising book ...

http://joannenova.com.au/globalwarmi...andbook1-4.pdf

Warmest Regards

Bonzo

Here's a model you might find of interest regardless of whether you
are a true believer or a skeptic-

http://my.net-link.net/~malexan/Climate-Model.htm

************************************************** *******


The model doesn't seem to account for atmospheric convection, which accounts
for most global heat transfer, or the effect of clouds.
So, according to Einstein, it's "simpler than possible" and therefore wrong
and useless!!!




Warmest Regards

Bonzo

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:01:06 -0800, wrote:

On Dec 10, 5:01Â*pm, "nozbo" wrote:
"nozbo" wrote in ...

"Bill Ward" wrote in message
newsan.2008.12.10.16.29.02.603965@REMOVETHISix. netcom.com...

Here's a promising looking draft of a fairly heavy duty book on basic
climate physics.

I've just skimmed through a few places, but at first glance, it looks
pretty useful, with a lot of explanations.

http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/Cli...limateVol1.pdf

Here's anothet promising book ...

http://joannenova.com.au/globalwarmi...andbook1-4.pdf

Warmest Regards

Bonzo

Here's a model you might find of interest regardless of whether you
are a true believer or a skeptic-

http://my.net-link.net/~malexan/Climate-Model.htm

Here's one by Held and Soden that true believers will like:
http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~gth/netsca...0/annrev00.pdf

Here's a simple AGW model supplied by "realclimate": AGWers will like it:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...-simple-model/

Here's an interesting article on planetary atmospheres:

http://lasp.colorado.edu/~bagenal/3720/


This is an anti- (or negligible) agw model:

http://www.junkscience.com/jan08/Glo...2_20080124.pdf


I find reading these articles like eating peanuts. I can't stop with just
one. True believers won't like this site:

http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/climatology.htm

Here's another skeptical site:

http://members.shaw.ca/sch25/FOS/Cli...e_Science.html

- A. McIntire

Thanks, Alan. Good stuff.

On Dec 10, 9:21*pm, "noozb" wrote:
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On Dec 10, 5:01 pm, "nozbo" wrote:



"nozbo" wrote in ....

"Bill Ward" wrote in message
newsan.2008.12.10.16.29.02.603965@REMOVETHISix. netcom.com...

Here's a promising looking draft of a fairly heavy duty book on
basic climate physics.

I've just skimmed through a few places, but at first glance, it looks
pretty useful, with a lot of explanations.

http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/Cli...limateVol1.pdf

Here's anothet promising book ...

http://joannenova.com.au/globalwarmi...andbook1-4.pdf

Warmest Regards

Bonzo

* Here's a model you might find of interest regardless of whether you
are a true believer or a skeptic-

http://my.net-link.net/~malexan/Climate-Model.htm

************************************************** *******

The model doesn't seem to account for atmospheric convection, which accounts
for most global heat transfer, or the effect of clouds.
So, according to Einstein, it's "simpler than possible" and therefore wrong
and useless!!!

Warmest Regards

Bonzo

I agree that the clouds aren't handled properly, but the comps are
interesting. Note also that the earth is not one dimensional. A 4
watt increase at the equator would have a negligible effect on
temperature, while a 4 watt increase at the poles would have a
measureable effect. Note that with global warming, temperatures are
not increasing eqally everywhere. Most of the increase is in winter,
and at night. That's hardly a catastrophe!- A. McIntire

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On Dec 10, 9:21Â*pm, "noozb" wrote:
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On Dec 10, 5:01 pm, "nozbo" wrote:



"nozbo" wrote in ...

"Bill Ward" wrote in message
newsan.2008.12.10.16.29.02.603965@REMOVETHISix. netcom.com...

Here's a promising looking draft of a fairly heavy duty book on
basic climate physics.

I've just skimmed through a few places, but at first glance, it looks
pretty useful, with a lot of explanations.

http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/Cli...limateVol1.pdf

Here's anothet promising book ...

http://joannenova.com.au/globalwarmi...andbook1-4.pdf

Warmest Regards

Bonzo

Â* Here's a model you might find of interest regardless of whether you
are a true believer or a skeptic-

http://my.net-link.net/~malexan/Climate-Model.htm

************************************************** *******

The model doesn't seem to account for atmospheric convection, which accounts
for most global heat transfer, or the effect of clouds.
So, according to Einstein, it's "simpler than possible" and therefore wrong
and useless!!!

Warmest Regards

Bonzo

I agree that the clouds aren't handled properly, but the comps are
interesting. Note also that the earth is not one dimensional. A 4
watt increase at the equator would have a negligible effect on
temperature, while a 4 watt increase at the poles would have a
measureable effect. Note that with global warming, temperatures are
not increasing eqally everywhere. Most of the increase is in winter,
and at night. That's hardly a catastrophe!- A. McIntire


That is what GHGs do, limit the high max and the low minimum
temperatures.


I feel very confident that as the data sets mature, even the
number nut Woger will lose interest in the fad, things will get even
more boring, and I will buy more insulated underwear.

noozb wrote:
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On Dec 10, 5:01 pm, "nozbo" wrote:
"nozbo" wrote in ...

"Bill Ward" wrote in message
news Here's a promising looking draft of a fairly heavy duty book on
basic climate physics.
I've just skimmed through a few places, but at first glance, it looks
pretty useful, with a lot of explanations.
http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/Cli...limateVol1.pdf
Here's anothet promising book ...

http://joannenova.com.au/globalwarmi...andbook1-4.pdf


It reads like one of those training manuals for scientologists.

Warmest Regards

Bonzo

Here's a model you might find of interest regardless of whether you
are a true believer or a skeptic-

http://my.net-link.net/~malexan/Climate-Model.htm

************************************************** *******


The model doesn't seem to account for atmospheric convection, which accounts
for most global heat transfer, or the effect of clouds.
So, according to Einstein, it's "simpler than possible" and therefore wrong
and useless!!!




Warmest Regards

Bonzo

Even more annoying for you, it accurately predicts the runaway global
warming catastrophe on Venus.

T.

On Dec 11, 3:01 am, "
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On Dec 10, 5:01 pm, "nozbo" wrote:



"nozbo" wrote in ...

"Bill Ward" wrote in message
newsan.2008.12.10.16.29.02.603965@REMOVETHISix. netcom.com...

Here's a promising looking draft of a fairly heavy duty book on
basic climate physics.

I've just skimmed through a few places, but at first glance, it looks
pretty useful, with a lot of explanations.

http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/Cli...limateVol1.pdf

Here's anothet promising book ...

http://joannenova.com.au/globalwarmi...andbook1-4.pdf

Warmest Regards

Bonzo

Here's a model you might find of interest regardless of whether you
are a true believer or a skeptic-

http://my.net-link.net/~malexan/Climate-Model.htm

Here's one by Held and Soden that true believers will like:http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~gth/netsca...0/annrev00.pdf

Here's a simple AGW model supplied by "realclimate": AGWers will like
it:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...earning-from-a...

Here's an interesting article on planetary atmospheres:

http://lasp.colorado.edu/~bagenal/3720/

This is an anti- (or negligible) agw model:

http://www.junkscience.com/jan08/Glo...m_CO2_20080124...

I find reading these articles like eating peanuts. I can't stop with
just one. True believers won't like this site:

http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/climatology.htm

I'd prefer my climatoogy from a climatologist rather than an economist
like Thayer Watkins. And his statistical methods are so full of holes
they'd make an excellent colander.

On Dec 13, 6:37*am, "John M."
wrote:
On Dec 11, 3:01 am, "
wrote:



On Dec 10, 5:01 pm, "nozbo" wrote:

"nozbo" wrote in ....

"Bill Ward" wrote in message
newsan.2008.12.10.16.29.02.603965@REMOVETHISix. netcom.com...

Here's a promising looking draft of a fairly heavy duty book on
basic climate physics.

I've just skimmed through a few places, but at first glance, it looks
pretty useful, with a lot of explanations.

http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/Cli...limateVol1.pdf

Here's anothet promising book ...

http://joannenova.com.au/globalwarmi...andbook1-4.pdf

Warmest Regards

Bonzo

* Here's a model you might find of interest regardless of whether you
are a true believer or a skeptic-

http://my.net-link.net/~malexan/Climate-Model.htm

*Here's one by Held and Soden that true believers will like:http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~gth/netsca...0/annrev00.pdf

Here's a simple AGW model supplied by "realclimate": AGWers will like
it:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...earning-from-a...

Here's an interesting article on planetary atmospheres:

http://lasp.colorado.edu/~bagenal/3720/

This is an anti- (or negligible) agw model:

http://www.junkscience.com/jan08/Glo...m_CO2_20080124...

I find reading these articles like eating peanuts. *I can't stop with
just one. *True believers won't like this site:

*http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/climatology.htm

I'd prefer my climatoogy from a climatologist rather than an
economist
like Thayer Watkins.
Isaac Newton acted as an economist himself, as master of the
royal mint from 1699 until his death.
And I suppose you wouldn't swallow any pseudoscience crap about
genetics from an Austrian monk, or relativity crap from a Swiss
patent clerk either.- A. McIntire

On Dec 14, 5:07 pm, "
wrote:
On Dec 13, 6:37 am, "John M."
wrote:

On Dec 11, 3:01 am, "
wrote:

On Dec 10, 5:01 pm, "nozbo" wrote:

"nozbo" wrote in ...

"Bill Ward" wrote in message
newsan.2008.12.10.16.29.02.603965@REMOVETHISix. netcom.com...

Here's a promising looking draft of a fairly heavy duty book on
basic climate physics.

I've just skimmed through a few places, but at first glance, it looks
pretty useful, with a lot of explanations.

http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/Cli...limateVol1.pdf

Here's anothet promising book ...

http://joannenova.com.au/globalwarmi...andbook1-4.pdf

Warmest Regards

Bonzo

Here's a model you might find of interest regardless of whether you
are a true believer or a skeptic-

http://my.net-link.net/~malexan/Climate-Model.htm

Here's one by Held and Soden that true believers will like:http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~gth/netsca...0/annrev00.pdf

Here's a simple AGW model supplied by "realclimate": AGWers will like
it:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...earning-from-a...

Here's an interesting article on planetary atmospheres:

http://lasp.colorado.edu/~bagenal/3720/

This is an anti- (or negligible) agw model:

http://www.junkscience.com/jan08/Glo...m_CO2_20080124...

I find reading these articles like eating peanuts. I can't stop with
just one. True believers won't like this site:

http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/climatology.htm

I'd prefer my climatoogy from a climatologist rather than an
economist
like Thayer Watkins.
Isaac Newton acted as an economist himself, as master of the
royal mint from 1699 until his death.
And I suppose you wouldn't swallow any pseudoscience crap about
genetics from an Austrian monk, or relativity crap from a Swiss
patent clerk either.

No I wouldn't. Not unless they were able to demonstrate their research
in a convincing way, properly presented to their peers for inspection
prior to publication.

On Dec 14, 5:07 pm, "
wrote:
On Dec 13, 6:37 am, "John M."
wrote:

On Dec 11, 3:01 am, "
wrote:

On Dec 10, 5:01 pm, "nozbo" wrote:

"nozbo" wrote in ...

"Bill Ward" wrote in message
newsan.2008.12.10.16.29.02.603965@REMOVETHISix. netcom.com...

Here's a promising looking draft of a fairly heavy duty book on
basic climate physics.

I've just skimmed through a few places, but at first glance, it looks
pretty useful, with a lot of explanations.

http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/Cli...limateVol1.pdf

Here's anothet promising book ...

http://joannenova.com.au/globalwarmi...andbook1-4.pdf

Warmest Regards

Bonzo

Here's a model you might find of interest regardless of whether you
are a true believer or a skeptic-

http://my.net-link.net/~malexan/Climate-Model.htm

Here's one by Held and Soden that true believers will like:http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~gth/netsca...0/annrev00.pdf

Here's a simple AGW model supplied by "realclimate": AGWers will like
it:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...earning-from-a...

Here's an interesting article on planetary atmospheres:

http://lasp.colorado.edu/~bagenal/3720/

This is an anti- (or negligible) agw model:

http://www.junkscience.com/jan08/Glo...m_CO2_20080124...

I find reading these articles like eating peanuts. I can't stop with
just one. True believers won't like this site:

http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/climatology.htm

I'd prefer my climatoogy from a climatologist rather than an
economist
like Thayer Watkins.

I presume that trimming/snipping my observations about Thayer Watkins
statistical methodology in the linked page, means you agree it is
indeed full of holes.