On Dec 16, 12:15*pm, "ooznb" wrote:
"Fran" wrote in message

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On Dec 15, 1:13 am, "John M."
wrote:



On Dec 14, 1:23 pm, Fran wrote:
On Dec 14, 9:43 pm, MC wrote:

On Dec 14, 11:00 am, Fran wrote:

On Dec 13, 8:10 pm, chemist wrote:

On Dec 13, 5:30 am, Fran wrote:

Who Benefits From Trading Hot Air?

You, obviously and those supplying you with the hot air you're
blowing
in here. You've cornered the market on verbal flatus.

Fran

When AGW is proved to be the scam that it is then the banking
crash
that results from carbon trading will dwarf the current one.

You are clearly clueless. Humans benefit when the biosphere is
healthier. Somebody has to pay for that work. That somebody should
be
all the beneficiaries.

It's quite simple really.

That will be the disaster that the Gore prophesy and profits
cause.

You're obsessed. The question remains: Why?

Fran

You are the one obsessed. CO2 feeeds plants.

Look up "composition fallacy"

No CO2 no plants

When I

a) advocate an atmosphere without CO2
b) set out a plan for realising (a)

make the objection above

In the meantime ...

Look up "composition fallacy" and "Free Air CO2 enrichment studies

and we
all die. Higher levels of CO2 will lead to a much healthier biosphere
-like when dinosaurs were running around...

And when humans weren't. You do not what happened 55.8 million years
ago don't you? Why not look it up and get back to the group?

Don't you know about that?

More than you it seems.

Good post, Fran. I don't like your left-leaning politics too much,
being a right-wing, green anarchist (and a militant nontheist) myself,
but your way of dealing with willfully (pig-) ignorant trolls is
superb.

I'm interested in what serves the life chances of humans, and given
that humans do best when they comprehend their legitimate interests
and find ways to collaborate equitably, I'm for that. In so far as
capitalism, and the structures that necessarily attend it (states for
example) militate against equitable collaboration, I'm opposed to
capitalism.
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Spoken like a true socialist, mein comrade!

If you're going to do German, do it properly:

mein Kamerad.

Aber, Ich bin nicht dein Kamerad ...

Do you have any examples, in today's world or ever in history, of such a
"utopia"?

It will be a thing designed by working humanity as it strives for
freedom and self-expression.

I thought not.
Such "utopias" will never come about whilst human nature is what it is.

Like most of what you post, your statement is prima facie paradoxical.
Human *nature*, if indeed there is such a thing, would be immutable
and suprahistorical. Were the attributes anythng else, *nature* would
be the wrong term.

It is precisely because what it means to be human is not fixed, and
that humans individually and collectively author themselves and each
other, that progress is possible. Your failure to grasp this point
helps explain the misanthropy you so frequently express here.

Bring on the "re-education camps" did I hear you say?

As usual the voices you hear are simply the noise of the windmills of
your mind -- a metaphor which I feel confident describes the
intermittent content in your postings..


Count me out though.


I did, long ago.

Fran