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Anxiety Grows in Global Warming Alarmist Camp

January 19 2009

Heartland Institute media monitors have noted on several
occasions that climate-change alarmists are finding it
increasingly difficult to maintain their position that
human activity has warmed Earth to crisis proportions.

Polar bears keep growing in numbers, Antarctic ice keeps
expanding, deserts keep receding, temperatures keep
easing, the ranks of science skeptics keep multiplying.
It's tough to scare people with that kind of
sound-science evidence.

Now the folk at DeSmogblog - created like so many
alarmist sites for the sole purpose of attacking
conservatives, libertarians and global warming
skeptics - is getting really worried.

DeSmogblog toted up the 2008 online battle this way:
References to "global warming" and "hoax" soared 125
percent to 49,719 citations in 2008; GW and "lie" jumped
101 percent to 100,770; "alarmist" increased 97 percent
to 27,298, and "skeptic" (our favorite) rose 93 percent
to 73,956 citations.

"We're also seeing more people than ever using the
internet as their main source of news and information,"

DeSmogblog posted recently. "Legislators are going to be
very hard pressed to implement strict new greenhouse gas
regulations if almost a majority of the public believes
that climate change has nothing to do with human
activity."

Ya think?

http://www.opposingviews.com/article...rows-in-global...

Warmest Regards

Bonzo

Anyone denies global warming should brought before the
courts, put on trial for crimes against humanity and
crimes against planet Earth.

**Well, not really. They need to hang their heads in shame
for ignoring basic science, they should have learned in
school.

The whacko AGW crowd need to hang their heads in shame for
ignoring
basic science, they should have learned in school.

**What basic science would that be? Let's recap:

* CO2 levels are rising faster and higher than at any time
in the last 600,000 years. SO? THIS IS GOOD.

**Nope. The extra CO2 is causing the planet to warm.

* CO2 is a known TRACE greenhouse gas WHICH HAS A NEGLIBLE
EFFECT ON TEMPERATURE..

**Bull****. The accepted contribution lies between 9% and 26%.
The variation
depends on when and where. Assuming you have an income, how
would you
consider a fall in income of 25%? Would you consider than
negligible?

* Planetary temperatures are rising faster and higher than
at any time in the last 600,000 years. WRONG

**Prove it.

* Humans are responsible for most of the CO2 increases over
the last 150-odd years.WRONG

**Then you'd better state what process has caused the massive
increasesin
CO2 levels. Don't forget your proof.

* Ice core records show that CO2 levels track temperature
rises. CO2 ALWAYS FOLLOWS TEMPERATURE

**Nope. Here are the graphs:

http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Pre...ning/New_Data/

Now, examine the following years:

352ky
332ky
305ky
280ky
257ky
245ky
184ky
18ky
Now

Like I said:

CO2 levels SOMETIMES preceed temperature rises and sometimes
they lag.

Please show the when this happens and the conditions.

**Asked and answered.

Nope.

**Yep. Supporting evidence for my claims is right there. Go ask
someone to explain it to you.

Your asking of someone to prove negatives is lacking.

**WTF is wrong with you scientific illiterates? Did you fail at
English grammar as well as science? It's 'YOU'RE', not 'YOUR'.
Please get it right. Go study some physics whilst you are at it.

Either one would be correct.

**Incorrect.

'You're' would make the sentence 'You are'
and be a claim. 'Your' would be stating it is a fact. I suggest you
stop trying to split hairs and be less surly.

**As soon as you morons study some science, rather than religion, we
can move on. Dealing with idiots is extremely tiresome. If you can't
be bothered learning science, then stay out of the discussion.
You're not helping.

Tell us under what conditions that co2 rise lags temp rise and
under what conditions that temp rise lag co2 rise.

**Why? I made no claims as to the precise conditions. I merely
claimed that there was a correlation, as noted in the ice core
data. The conditions are not part of my claim. That is your
particular strawman. You build it, you burn it down.

The question remains as to your claim that....
CO2 levels SOMETIMES preceed temperature rises and sometimes
they lag.
Ask someone to explain it to you.

**I see no question here. I stated a fact. Nothing more. You either
agree, or disagree.

Please feel free to return when your science catches up to your
English.

**I'm not going anywhere, for as long as morons like you attempt to
promulgate religion masquerading as science. If you have a specific
question, or comment to make, do so.

Don't make yourself look even a bigger fool than you already have. You
have yet to answer any question and if a religious stab is all you have,
then it's obvious you aren't worth the trouble.

Trust me, he is not worth the trouble. I argued with this idiot on
gun laws, he didn't even know what a gun free zone was.