chemist wrote:
On Jan 25, 6:32 pm, T. Keating wrote:
Just in case one was wondering about the temperature increase in
Antarctica was real or fake .. ..

"Freezing rain kills Antarctica penguin
chicks"http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24013207-954,00.html
July 13, 2008 11:00pm

Some excepts..

"THOUSANDS of penguin chicks are freezing to death as Antarctica is
lashed by rain and scientists say Adelie penguin numbers may have
dropped 80 per cent."

"Scientists say if the downpours continue, the species will be
extinct
within 10 years."

"Temperatures in the Antarctic have risen by 3C in the past 50 years
to an average of -14.7C and rain is now more common than snow."

"Such rain in Antarctica was a new phenomenon, and penguins were
freezing to death, said explorer Jon Bowermaster."

Just think.. 10 years and Emperor Penguins will only exist on film.

Shame on All AGW deniers, who pollute these news groups with mindless
drivel.

Have you got the names of the scientists who
uphold this lie.

What lie, sad sick serial liar?

Mr Right wrote:
On Jan 26, 7:32 am, T. Keating wrote:
Just in case one was wondering about the temperature increase in
Antarctica was real or fake .. ..

"Freezing rain kills Antarctica penguin
chicks"http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24013207-954,00.html
July 13, 2008 11:00pm

Some excepts..

"THOUSANDS of penguin chicks are freezing to death as Antarctica is
lashed by rain and scientists say Adelie penguin numbers may have
dropped 80 per cent."

"Scientists say if the downpours continue, the species will be
extinct
within 10 years."

"Temperatures in the Antarctic have risen by 3C in the past 50 years
to an average of -14.7C and rain is now more common than snow."

"Such rain in Antarctica was a new phenomenon, and penguins were
freezing to death, said explorer Jon Bowermaster."

Just think.. 10 years and Emperor Penguins will only exist on film.

Shame on All AGW deniers, who pollute these news groups with mindless
drivel.

"Temperatures in the Antarctic have risen by 3C in the past 50 years
to an average of -14.7C and rain is now more common than snow."

This article is definite proof that the earth is cooling.

It reports on July 13, 2008 11:00pm that global warming is 3 C in the
past 50 years.

The new study just released in Nature (Steig, Mann, etc) found 1 F in
the past 50 years.

You have omitted your cite. lol

Catoni wrote:
On Jan 25, 1:32 pm, T. Keating wrote:
Just in case one was wondering about the temperature increase in
Antarctica was real or fake .. ..

"Freezing rain kills Antarctica penguin
chicks"http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24013207-954,00.html
July 13, 2008 11:00pm

Some excepts..

"THOUSANDS of penguin chicks are freezing to death as Antarctica is
lashed by rain and scientists say Adelie penguin numbers may have
dropped 80 per cent."

"Scientists say if the downpours continue, the species will be
extinct
within 10 years."

"Temperatures in the Antarctic have risen by 3C in the past 50 years
to an average of -14.7C and rain is now more common than snow."

"Such rain in Antarctica was a new phenomenon, and penguins were
freezing to death, said explorer Jon Bowermaster."

Just think.. 10 years and Emperor Penguins will only exist on film.

Shame on All AGW deniers, who pollute these news groups with mindless
drivel.

Makes one wonder how they survived the Medieval Warm Period, The Roman
Warm Period, and other warm times. Especially the Eemian Interglacial
125,000 years B.P. when global average temperatures were anywheres
from 3 - 8 degrees warner then now.

Cite for that antarctic rise?

Even our caveman ancestors
survived that, as well as the Ice Age.

Just how did those pesky Polar Bears, Penguins, Reindeer and Coral
Reefs etc. etc. survive all the previous Warm Times ???????

Funny also how latest studies show the Antarctic for the
most part is cooling.

Cite please.

marcodbeast wrote:

"Cite please."

Reply:

Sure. Here's one. Do you wish more?

http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/2009/...c-cooling.html

On Jan 26, 1:03*am, Catoni wrote:
On Jan 25, 1:32*pm, T. Keating wrote:





Just in case one was wondering about the temperature increase in
Antarctica was real or fake .. * ..

"Freezing rain kills Antarctica penguin chicks"http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24013207-954,00.html
July 13, 2008 11:00pm

Some excepts..

"THOUSANDS of penguin chicks are freezing to death as Antarctica is
lashed by rain and scientists say Adelie penguin numbers may have
dropped 80 per cent."

"Scientists say if the downpours continue, the species will be extinct
within 10 years."

"Temperatures in the Antarctic have risen by 3C in the past 50 years
to an average of -14.7C and rain is now more common than snow."

"Such rain in Antarctica was a new phenomenon, and penguins were
freezing to death, said explorer Jon Bowermaster."

Just think.. 10 years and Emperor Penguins will only exist on film.

Shame on All AGW deniers, who pollute these news groups with mindless
drivel.

Makes one wonder how they survived the Medieval Warm Period, The Roman
Warm Period, and other warm times. Especially the Eemian Interglacial
125,000 years B.P. when global average temperatures were anywheres
from 3 - 8 degrees warner then now. Even our caveman ancestors
survived that, as well as the Ice Age.

* *Just how did those pesky Polar Bears, Penguins, Reindeer and Coral
Reefs etc. etc. survive all the previous Warm Times ???????

* * * * * *Funny also how latest studies show the Antarctic for the
most part is cooling.
* * Climate keeps changing but you guys want to stop climate change
and keep some sort of artificial man-controlled stable climate. *At
what cost?-

Actually, I think that would be a great idea, although maybe it's an
impossibly Promethean project.

Long term, what the human species should NOT want is any return of the
ice ages, which would
be even more destructive to our civilization than AGW.

So if we can, I think we should use the great scientific data that is
currently being generated by AGWes and the more sensible AGW Skeptics/
Contrarians; and in time we should try to devise a way to arrive at
a Goldilocks sollution -- "Not too hot, not too cold, but just right."

But in the meantime, Catoni - if you think this idea is too
Promothean, too human-centric, then what about a fallback position
reflecting "Green" and "natural" values?

We give up the hope of "keeping some sort of artificial man-controlled
stable climate" as an exercise in human hubris, okay?

But in the same spirit of humility we abandon all actions we're taking
that are likely to interfere with what "nature" would do, if allowed
to take its course.

We END all human-generated CO2 and methane emissions, and END human
involvement in tropical deforestation, etc., on the grounds that this
ALSO means working for "some sort of artificial man-controlled
climate" -- just not a stable one.

Does that work for you?

Or is your real objection not to the hubris of "keeping some sort of
artificial man-controlled stable climate," but instead to the idea of
curbing anthropogenice CO2 and methane emissions?

On Jan 26, 1:03*am, Catoni wrote:

* *Just how did those pesky Polar Bears, Penguins, Reindeer and Coral
Reefs etc. etc. survive all the previous Warm Times ???????


WHICH previous warm times?

Because I don't believe that the current species of mammals and birds
-- not sure about the corals -- actually did survive ALL of the
previous Warm Times that the planet has experienced.

There have been five great "Extinction Events" in the earth's history,
according to the evolutionary biologists, and I believe that at least
some researchers are saying that the very worst of them, back in the
Permian or thereabouts, was associated with a huge build up of
greenhouse gases and major changes in global temperatures.

The birds and polar bears etc. didn't even exist back then. As for
the mammals that evolved and began to flourish after the last great
Extinction Event, the one that wiped out the dinosaurs something like
65 million years ago - didn't a large percentage of the early mammals
that flourished in the early modern era go extinct?

We don't have many Sabre Toothed Tigers or Mastodons or Woolly
Mammoths etc. around any more, and some of that was hunting, no doubt
- but wasn't some of it climate change?

On Jan 26, 4:33*pm, "marcodbeast" wrote:
Catoni wrote:
On Jan 25, 1:32 pm, T. Keating wrote:
Just in case one was wondering about the temperature increase in
Antarctica was real or fake .. ..

"Freezing rain kills Antarctica penguin
chicks"http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24013207-954,00.html
July 13, 2008 11:00pm

Some excepts..

"THOUSANDS of penguin chicks are freezing to death as Antarctica is
lashed by rain and scientists say Adelie penguin numbers may have
dropped 80 per cent."

"Scientists say if the downpours continue, the species will be
extinct
within 10 years."

"Temperatures in the Antarctic have risen by 3C in the past 50 years
to an average of -14.7C and rain is now more common than snow."

"Such rain in Antarctica was a new phenomenon, and penguins were
freezing to death, said explorer Jon Bowermaster."

Just think.. 10 years and Emperor Penguins will only exist on film.

Shame on All AGW deniers, who pollute these news groups with mindless
drivel.

Makes one wonder how they survived the Medieval Warm Period, The Roman
Warm Period, and other warm times. Especially the Eemian Interglacial
125,000 years B.P. when global average temperatures were anywheres
from 3 - 8 degrees warner then now.

* Cite for that antarctic rise?

*Even our caveman ancestors

survived that, as well as the Ice Age.

* *Just how did those pesky Polar Bears, Penguins, Reindeer and Coral
Reefs etc. etc. survive all the previous Warm Times ???????

* * * * * *Funny also how latest studies show the Antarctic for the
most part is cooling.

* Cite please.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Jan 27, 6:43*pm, john fernbach wrote:
On Jan 26, 1:03*am, Catoni wrote:





On Jan 25, 1:32*pm, T. Keating wrote:

Just in case one was wondering about the temperature increase in
Antarctica was real or fake .. * ..

"Freezing rain kills Antarctica penguin chicks"http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24013207-954,00.html
July 13, 2008 11:00pm

Some excepts..

"THOUSANDS of penguin chicks are freezing to death as Antarctica is
lashed by rain and scientists say Adelie penguin numbers may have
dropped 80 per cent."

"Scientists say if the downpours continue, the species will be extinct
within 10 years."

"Temperatures in the Antarctic have risen by 3C in the past 50 years
to an average of -14.7C and rain is now more common than snow."

"Such rain in Antarctica was a new phenomenon, and penguins were
freezing to death, said explorer Jon Bowermaster."

Just think.. 10 years and Emperor Penguins will only exist on film.

Shame on All AGW deniers, who pollute these news groups with mindless
drivel.

Makes one wonder how they survived the Medieval Warm Period, The Roman
Warm Period, and other warm times. Especially the Eemian Interglacial
125,000 years B.P. when global average temperatures were anywheres
from 3 - 8 degrees warner then now. Even our caveman ancestors
survived that, as well as the Ice Age.

* *Just how did those pesky Polar Bears, Penguins, Reindeer and Coral
Reefs etc. etc. survive all the previous Warm Times ???????

* * * * * *Funny also how latest studies show the Antarctic for the
most part is cooling.
* * Climate keeps changing but you guys want to stop climate change
and keep some sort of artificial man-controlled stable climate. *At
what cost?-

Actually, I think that would be a great idea, although maybe it's an
impossibly Promethean project.

Long term, what the human species should NOT want is any return of the
ice ages, which would
be even more destructive to our civilization than AGW.

So if we can, I think we should use the great scientific data that is
currently being generated by AGWes and the more sensible AGW Skeptics/
Contrarians; and in time we should try to devise a way to arrive at
a Goldilocks sollution -- "Not too hot, not too cold, but just right."

But in the meantime, Catoni - if *you think this idea is too
Promothean, too human-centric, then what about a fallback position
reflecting "Green" and "natural" values?

We give up the hope of "keeping some sort of artificial man-controlled
stable climate" as an exercise in human hubris, okay?

But in the same spirit of humility we abandon all actions we're taking
that are likely to interfere with what "nature" would do, if allowed
to take its course.

We END all human-generated CO2 and methane emissions, and END human
involvement in tropical deforestation, etc., on the grounds that this
ALSO means working for "some sort of artificial man-controlled
climate" -- just not a stable one.

Does that work for you?

Or is your real objection not to the hubris of "keeping some sort of
artificial man-controlled stable climate," but instead to the idea of
curbing anthropogenice CO2 and methane emissions?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But in the same spirit of humility we abandon all actions we're
taking
that are likely to interfere with what "nature" would do, if allowed
to take its course.

Does your plan mean no more agriculture, and no more irrigation, and
no more cities, and no more electricity?

Catoni wrote:
marcodbeast wrote:

"Cite please."

Reply:

Sure. Here's one. Do you wish more?

http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/2009/...c-cooling.html

Sorry, sourceless graph supplied by lying commenter from an anti-science
k00k website, on another anti-science k00k website. Now, do you have some
real research to show us or do you wish to keep exposing yourself as
completely gullible?

literal wrote:
In
,
on Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:43:29 -0800 (PST), john fernbach,
wrote:

We END all human-generated CO2 and methane emissions, and END human
involvement in tropical deforestation, etc., on the grounds that this
ALSO means working for "some sort of artificial man-controlled
climate" -- just not a stable one.

Does that work for you?

You do realize that after we inhale oxygen, we
exhale CO?.

Completely irrelevant, unless you eat fossil fuel.

Crack a book.