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8th warmest December in 129 years of the NASA global ground record

In the real world,
outside the fossil fuel industry's spin and lies,
global mean surface temperatures continue to rise.
Please see:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporat...20080923c.html

These globally averaged temperature data come from NASA:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt
They represent the results of tens of millions of readings
taken at thousands of stations covering all the lands of the
Earth over the last 129 years. Yes, the data are corrected
for the urban heat island effect.

The Mean December temperature over the last 129 years is 14.012 C.
The Variance is 0.10268.
The Standard Deviation is 0.3204.

Rxy 0.62095 Rxy^2 0.38558
TEMP = 13.664771 + (0.005343 * (YEAR-1879))
Degrees of Freedom = 127 F = 79.699722
Confidence of nonzero correlation = approximately
0.99999999999999 (14 nines)
The month of December in the year 2008,
is linearly projected to be 14.354,
yet it was 14.57. -- Above the trend.
The sum of the absolute errors is 26.239346

Equal weight exponential least squares fit:
TEMP = 13.670899 * e^(.0003802 * (YEAR-1879))
The sum of the absolute errors is 26.163591

Rank of the months of December
Year Temp C Anomaly Z score
2006 14.84 0.828 2.58
2003 14.76 0.748 2.33
2005 14.72 0.708 2.21
1998 14.70 0.688 2.15
2004 14.65 0.638 1.99
2001 14.63 0.618 1.93
2007 14.61 0.598 1.87
2008 14.57 0.558 1.74 --
1997 14.53 0.518 1.62
1987 14.48 0.468 1.46
1990 14.47 0.458 1.43
1979 14.46 0.448 1.40
2002 14.45 0.438 1.37
MEAN 14.012 0.000 0.00
1908 13.67 -0.342 -1.07
1933 13.59 -0.422 -1.32
1920 13.59 -0.422 -1.32
1903 13.58 -0.432 -1.35
1909 13.55 -0.462 -1.44
1893 13.51 -0.502 -1.57
1929 13.50 -0.512 -1.60
1892 13.47 -0.542 -1.69
1902 13.45 -0.562 -1.75
1910 13.41 -0.602 -1.88
1907 13.39 -0.622 -1.94
1916 13.26 -0.752 -2.35
1884 13.14 -0.872 -2.72
1917 13.13 -0.882 -2.75

The most recent 193 continuous months, or 16 years and 1 months,
on this GLB.Ts.txt data set are all above the 1951-1980
data set norm of 14 C.
There are 1548 months of data on this data set:
-- 755 of them are at or above the norm.
-- 793 of them are below the norm.
This run of 193 months above the norm is the result of a warming
world. It is too large to occur by chance at any reasonable level
of confidence. A major volcano eruption, thermonuclear war, or
meteor impact could stop this warming trend for a couple of years,
otherwise expect it to continue.

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On Jan 25, 6:48 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
8th warmest December in 129 years of the NASA global ground record

In the real world,
outside the fossil fuel industry's spin and lies,
global mean surface temperatures continue to rise.
Please see:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporat...20080923c.html

These globally averaged temperature data come from NASA:http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt
They represent the results of tens of millions of readings
taken at thousands of stations covering all the lands of the
Earth over the last 129 years. Yes, the data are corrected
for the urban heat island effect.

The Mean December temperature over the last 129 years is 14.012 C.
The Variance is 0.10268.
The Standard Deviation is 0.3204.

Rxy 0.62095 Rxy^2 0.38558
TEMP = 13.664771 + (0.005343 * (YEAR-1879))
Degrees of Freedom = 127 F = 79.699722
Confidence of nonzero correlation = approximately
0.99999999999999 (14 nines)
The month of December in the year 2008,
is linearly projected to be 14.354,
yet it was 14.57. -- Above the trend.
The sum of the absolute errors is 26.239346

Equal weight exponential least squares fit:
TEMP = 13.670899 * e^(.0003802 * (YEAR-1879))
The sum of the absolute errors is 26.163591

Rank of the months of December
Year Temp C Anomaly Z score
2006 14.84 0.828 2.58
2003 14.76 0.748 2.33
2005 14.72 0.708 2.21
1998 14.70 0.688 2.15
2004 14.65 0.638 1.99
2001 14.63 0.618 1.93
2007 14.61 0.598 1.87
2008 14.57 0.558 1.74 --
1997 14.53 0.518 1.62
1987 14.48 0.468 1.46
1990 14.47 0.458 1.43
1979 14.46 0.448 1.40
2002 14.45 0.438 1.37
MEAN 14.012 0.000 0.00
1908 13.67 -0.342 -1.07
1933 13.59 -0.422 -1.32
1920 13.59 -0.422 -1.32
1903 13.58 -0.432 -1.35
1909 13.55 -0.462 -1.44
1893 13.51 -0.502 -1.57
1929 13.50 -0.512 -1.60
1892 13.47 -0.542 -1.69
1902 13.45 -0.562 -1.75
1910 13.41 -0.602 -1.88
1907 13.39 -0.622 -1.94
1916 13.26 -0.752 -2.35
1884 13.14 -0.872 -2.72
1917 13.13 -0.882 -2.75

The most recent 193 continuous months, or 16 years and 1 months,
on this GLB.Ts.txt data set are all above the 1951-1980
data set norm of 14 C.
There are 1548 months of data on this data set:
-- 755 of them are at or above the norm.
-- 793 of them are below the norm.
This run of 193 months above the norm is the result of a warming
world. It is too large to occur by chance at any reasonable level
of confidence. A major volcano eruption, thermonuclear war, or
meteor impact could stop this warming trend for a couple of years,
otherwise expect it to continue.


Neither Roger nor NASA types must get outside much. They actually
think it has been warm. Rog, any chance they screwed up this data
too? They have made it a habit.
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On Jan 25, 7:20 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jan 25, 6:48 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:



8th warmest December in 129 years of the NASA global ground record


In the real world,
outside the fossil fuel industry's spin and lies,
global mean surface temperatures continue to rise.
Please see:


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporat...20080923c.html


These globally averaged temperature data come from NASA:http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt
They represent the results of tens of millions of readings
taken at thousands of stations covering all the lands of the
Earth over the last 129 years. Yes, the data are corrected
for the urban heat island effect.


The Mean December temperature over the last 129 years is 14.012 C.
The Variance is 0.10268.
The Standard Deviation is 0.3204.


Rxy 0.62095 Rxy^2 0.38558
TEMP = 13.664771 + (0.005343 * (YEAR-1879))
Degrees of Freedom = 127 F = 79.699722
Confidence of nonzero correlation = approximately
0.99999999999999 (14 nines)
The month of December in the year 2008,
is linearly projected to be 14.354,
yet it was 14.57. -- Above the trend.
The sum of the absolute errors is 26.239346


Equal weight exponential least squares fit:
TEMP = 13.670899 * e^(.0003802 * (YEAR-1879))
The sum of the absolute errors is 26.163591


Rank of the months of December
Year Temp C Anomaly Z score
2006 14.84 0.828 2.58
2003 14.76 0.748 2.33
2005 14.72 0.708 2.21
1998 14.70 0.688 2.15
2004 14.65 0.638 1.99
2001 14.63 0.618 1.93
2007 14.61 0.598 1.87
2008 14.57 0.558 1.74 --
1997 14.53 0.518 1.62
1987 14.48 0.468 1.46
1990 14.47 0.458 1.43
1979 14.46 0.448 1.40
2002 14.45 0.438 1.37
MEAN 14.012 0.000 0.00
1908 13.67 -0.342 -1.07
1933 13.59 -0.422 -1.32
1920 13.59 -0.422 -1.32
1903 13.58 -0.432 -1.35
1909 13.55 -0.462 -1.44
1893 13.51 -0.502 -1.57
1929 13.50 -0.512 -1.60
1892 13.47 -0.542 -1.69
1902 13.45 -0.562 -1.75
1910 13.41 -0.602 -1.88
1907 13.39 -0.622 -1.94
1916 13.26 -0.752 -2.35
1884 13.14 -0.872 -2.72
1917 13.13 -0.882 -2.75


The most recent 193 continuous months, or 16 years and 1 months,
on this GLB.Ts.txt data set are all above the 1951-1980
data set norm of 14 C.
There are 1548 months of data on this data set:
-- 755 of them are at or above the norm.
-- 793 of them are below the norm.
This run of 193 months above the norm is the result of a warming
world. It is too large to occur by chance at any reasonable level
of confidence. A major volcano eruption, thermonuclear war, or
meteor impact could stop this warming trend for a couple of years,
otherwise expect it to continue.


Neither Roger nor NASA types must get outside much. They actually
think it has been warm. Rog, any chance they screwed up this data
too? They have made it a habit.


BTW, they CANNOT correct for the urban heat island effect when they
think a station next to an AC exhaust will produce good data. They
think that stations adjacent to hot asphalt give good data.
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On Jan 25, 7:21*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jan 25, 7:20 pm, Frogwatch wrote:





On Jan 25, 6:48 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:


8th warmest December in 129 years of the NASA global ground record


In the real world,
outside the fossil fuel industry's spin and lies,
global mean surface temperatures continue to rise.
Please see:


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporat...20080923c.html


These globally averaged temperature data come from NASA:http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt
They represent the results of tens of millions of readings
taken at thousands of stations covering all the lands of the
Earth over the last 129 years. *Yes, the data are corrected
for the urban heat island effect.


The Mean December temperature over the last 129 years is 14.012 C.
The Variance is 0.10268.
The Standard Deviation is 0.3204.


Rxy 0.62095 * Rxy^2 0.38558
TEMP = 13.664771 + (0.005343 * (YEAR-1879))
Degrees of Freedom = 127 * * * * F = 79.699722
Confidence of nonzero correlation = approximately
0.99999999999999 (14 nines)
The month of December in the year 2008,
is linearly projected to be 14.354,
* * * * * * * * *yet it was 14.57. -- Above the trend.
The sum of the absolute errors is 26.239346


Equal weight exponential least squares fit:
TEMP = 13.670899 * e^(.0003802 * (YEAR-1879))
The sum of the absolute errors is 26.163591


*Rank of the months of December
Year * Temp C * Anomaly * Z score
2006 * 14.84 * * 0.828 * * 2.58
2003 * 14.76 * * 0.748 * * 2.33
2005 * 14.72 * * 0.708 * * 2.21
1998 * 14.70 * * 0.688 * * 2.15
2004 * 14.65 * * 0.638 * * 1.99
2001 * 14.63 * * 0.618 * * 1.93
2007 * 14.61 * * 0.598 * * 1.87
2008 * 14.57 * * 0.558 * * 1.74 --
1997 * 14.53 * * 0.518 * * 1.62
1987 * 14.48 * * 0.468 * * 1.46
1990 * 14.47 * * 0.458 * * 1.43
1979 * 14.46 * * 0.448 * * 1.40
2002 * 14.45 * * 0.438 * * 1.37
MEAN * 14.012 * *0.000 * * 0.00
1908 * 13.67 * *-0.342 * *-1.07
1933 * 13.59 * *-0.422 * *-1.32
1920 * 13.59 * *-0.422 * *-1.32
1903 * 13.58 * *-0.432 * *-1.35
1909 * 13.55 * *-0.462 * *-1.44
1893 * 13.51 * *-0.502 * *-1.57
1929 * 13.50 * *-0.512 * *-1.60
1892 * 13.47 * *-0.542 * *-1.69
1902 * 13.45 * *-0.562 * *-1.75
1910 * 13.41 * *-0.602 * *-1.88
1907 * 13.39 * *-0.622 * *-1.94
1916 * 13.26 * *-0.752 * *-2.35
1884 * 13.14 * *-0.872 * *-2.72
1917 * 13.13 * *-0.882 * *-2.75


The most recent 193 continuous months, or 16 years and 1 months,
on this GLB.Ts.txt data set are all above the 1951-1980
data set norm of 14 C.
There are 1548 months of data on this data set:
* -- 755 of them are at or above the norm.
* -- 793 of them are below the norm.
This run of 193 months above the norm is the result of a warming
world. *It is too large to occur by chance at any reasonable level
of confidence. *A major volcano eruption, thermonuclear war, or
meteor impact could stop this warming trend for a couple of years,
otherwise expect it to continue.


Neither Roger nor NASA types must get outside much. *They actually
think it has been warm. *Rog, any chance they screwed up this data
too? *They have made it a habit.


BTW, they CANNOT correct for the urban heat island effect when they
think a station next to an AC exhaust will produce good data. *They
think that stations adjacent to hot asphalt give good data.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

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On Jan 25, 7:20*pm, Frogwatch wrote:


Neither Roger nor NASA types must get outside much. *They actually
think it has been warm. *Rog, any chance they screwed up this data
too? *They have made it a habit.-


Whether "they" find it warm or not depends on a couple of other
questions, doesn't it?

Like - WHERE are we talking about?

And COMPARED TO WHAT is it warm or cold (or whatever)?

I presume Roger is talking about global temperature data, as averaged
by NASA. And the comparison is with average temperatures, globally,
for this time of the year, over the past 129 years.

This doesn't mean that the weather where YOU are, Frogwatch, is
necessarily going to be warmer than it was last year. We're talking
long-term global trends -- well, long term meaning going back for as
long as good temperature records have been kept, anyway. This might
not have much to do with whether the high in Cleveland on Dec. 18,
2008 was higher than the high in Cleveland on Dec. 18, 2007 or 2005.


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On Jan 26, 11:21*am, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jan 25, 7:20 pm, Frogwatch wrote:





On Jan 25, 6:48 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:


8th warmest December in 129 years of the NASA global ground record


In the real world,
outside the fossil fuel industry's spin and lies,
global mean surface temperatures continue to rise.
Please see:


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporat...20080923c.html


These globally averaged temperature data come from NASA:http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt
They represent the results of tens of millions of readings
taken at thousands of stations covering all the lands of the
Earth over the last 129 years. *Yes, the data are corrected
for the urban heat island effect.


The Mean December temperature over the last 129 years is 14.012 C.
The Variance is 0.10268.
The Standard Deviation is 0.3204.


Rxy 0.62095 * Rxy^2 0.38558
TEMP = 13.664771 + (0.005343 * (YEAR-1879))
Degrees of Freedom = 127 * * * * F = 79.699722
Confidence of nonzero correlation = approximately
0.99999999999999 (14 nines)
The month of December in the year 2008,
is linearly projected to be 14.354,
* * * * * * * * *yet it was 14.57. -- Above the trend.
The sum of the absolute errors is 26.239346


Equal weight exponential least squares fit:
TEMP = 13.670899 * e^(.0003802 * (YEAR-1879))
The sum of the absolute errors is 26.163591


*Rank of the months of December
Year * Temp C * Anomaly * Z score
2006 * 14.84 * * 0.828 * * 2.58
2003 * 14.76 * * 0.748 * * 2.33
2005 * 14.72 * * 0.708 * * 2.21
1998 * 14.70 * * 0.688 * * 2.15
2004 * 14.65 * * 0.638 * * 1.99
2001 * 14.63 * * 0.618 * * 1.93
2007 * 14.61 * * 0.598 * * 1.87
2008 * 14.57 * * 0.558 * * 1.74 --
1997 * 14.53 * * 0.518 * * 1.62
1987 * 14.48 * * 0.468 * * 1.46
1990 * 14.47 * * 0.458 * * 1.43
1979 * 14.46 * * 0.448 * * 1.40
2002 * 14.45 * * 0.438 * * 1.37
MEAN * 14.012 * *0.000 * * 0.00
1908 * 13.67 * *-0.342 * *-1.07
1933 * 13.59 * *-0.422 * *-1.32
1920 * 13.59 * *-0.422 * *-1.32
1903 * 13.58 * *-0.432 * *-1.35
1909 * 13.55 * *-0.462 * *-1.44
1893 * 13.51 * *-0.502 * *-1.57
1929 * 13.50 * *-0.512 * *-1.60
1892 * 13.47 * *-0.542 * *-1.69
1902 * 13.45 * *-0.562 * *-1.75
1910 * 13.41 * *-0.602 * *-1.88
1907 * 13.39 * *-0.622 * *-1.94
1916 * 13.26 * *-0.752 * *-2.35
1884 * 13.14 * *-0.872 * *-2.72
1917 * 13.13 * *-0.882 * *-2.75


The most recent 193 continuous months, or 16 years and 1 months,
on this GLB.Ts.txt data set are all above the 1951-1980
data set norm of 14 C.
There are 1548 months of data on this data set:
* -- 755 of them are at or above the norm.
* -- 793 of them are below the norm.
This run of 193 months above the norm is the result of a warming
world. *It is too large to occur by chance at any reasonable level
of confidence. *A major volcano eruption, thermonuclear war, or
meteor impact could stop this warming trend for a couple of years,
otherwise expect it to continue.


Neither Roger nor NASA types must get outside much. *They actually
think it has been warm. *Rog, any chance they screwed up this data
too? *They have made it a habit.


BTW, they CANNOT correct for the urban heat island effect when they
think a station next to an AC exhaust will produce good data. *They
think that stations adjacent to hot asphalt give good data.- Hide quoted text -



Consider this:

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/project...Nature2004.pdf

Fran
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
On Jan 25, 6:48 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
8th warmest December in 129 years of the NASA global ground record

In the real world,
outside the fossil fuel industry's spin and lies,
global mean surface temperatures continue to rise.
Please see:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporat...20080923c.html

These globally averaged temperature data come from
NASA:http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt
They represent the results of tens of millions of readings
taken at thousands of stations covering all the lands of the
Earth over the last 129 years. Yes, the data are corrected
for the urban heat island effect.

The most recent 193 continuous months, or 16 years and 1 months,
on this GLB.Ts.txt data set are all above the 1951-1980
data set norm of 14 C.
There are 1548 months of data on this data set:
-- 755 of them are at or above the norm.
-- 793 of them are below the norm.
This run of 193 months above the norm is the result of a warming
world. It is too large to occur by chance at any reasonable level
of confidence. A major volcano eruption, thermonuclear war, or
meteor impact could stop this warming trend for a couple of years,
otherwise expect it to continue.


Neither Roger nor NASA types must get outside much. They actually
think it has been warm. Rog, any chance they screwed up this data
too? They have made it a habit.


Why do such inane snipes remind me of a frog in a pot.

Take a good look at the link that was provided above, specifically the graph
showing the global average temperature anomaly from 1975 to 2007, relative
to the 1961-1990 average. . Where is the cooling?
Quote: In La Niña years - when cold water rises to the surface of the
Pacific Ocean - temperatures can be considerably colder than normal.
Volcanic eruptions can also cause temporary drops in global temperatures
because of huge amounts of dust thrown high into the atmosphere that reduce
the amount of sunlight that reaches the surface. A La Nina was present
throughout 2007 and much of 2008; despite this temporary cooling, 2008 is
currently the tenth warmest in the global record.

Quote: As a result of such fluctuations, global average temperature trends
calculated over ten-year periods have varied since the mid-1970s, from a
modest cooling to a warming rate of more than 0.3 °C per decade. Similar
behaviour is also seen in individual model predictions of future climate
change where the long-term warming trend is forecast to exceed 2 °C per
century. Even then, due to the natural variations in climate, we expect to
see ten-year periods both globally and regionally with little or no warming
and other ten-year periods with very rapid warming. This complex behaviour
of the climate system shows why we need to examine much longer periods than
ten years if we are to fully understand and quantify how the climate is
changing.

Jumping on short term coolings to deny AGW shows a large degree of
ignorance. It's a little bit like saying the day's not so hot everytime the
sun goes behind a cloud.









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My mother worked for NASA for 30 years, she had stories about what they
announced and why. They WILL do anything for funding!


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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Jan 25, 6:48 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
8th warmest December in 129 years of the NASA global ground record

In the real world,
outside the fossil fuel industry's spin and lies,
global mean surface temperatures continue to rise.
Please see:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporat...20080923c.html

These globally averaged temperature data come from
NASA:http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt
They represent the results of tens of millions of readings
taken at thousands of stations covering all the lands of the
Earth over the last 129 years. Yes, the data are corrected
for the urban heat island effect.

The most recent 193 continuous months, or 16 years and 1 months,
on this GLB.Ts.txt data set are all above the 1951-1980
data set norm of 14 C.
There are 1548 months of data on this data set:
-- 755 of them are at or above the norm.
-- 793 of them are below the norm.
This run of 193 months above the norm is the result of a warming
world. It is too large to occur by chance at any reasonable level
of confidence. A major volcano eruption, thermonuclear war, or
meteor impact could stop this warming trend for a couple of years,
otherwise expect it to continue.


Neither Roger nor NASA types must get outside much. They actually
think it has been warm. Rog, any chance they screwed up this data
too? They have made it a habit.


Why do such inane snipes remind me of a frog in a pot.

Take a good look at the link that was provided above, specifically the
graph showing the global average temperature anomaly from 1975 to 2007,
relative to the 1961-1990 average. . Where is the cooling?
Quote: In La Niña years - when cold water rises to the surface of the
Pacific Ocean - temperatures can be considerably colder than normal.
Volcanic eruptions can also cause temporary drops in global temperatures
because of huge amounts of dust thrown high into the atmosphere that
reduce the amount of sunlight that reaches the surface. A La Nina was
present throughout 2007 and much of 2008; despite this temporary cooling,
2008 is currently the tenth warmest in the global record.

Quote: As a result of such fluctuations, global average temperature trends
calculated over ten-year periods have varied since the mid-1970s, from a
modest cooling to a warming rate of more than 0.3 °C per decade. Similar
behaviour is also seen in individual model predictions of future climate
change where the long-term warming trend is forecast to exceed 2 °C per
century. Even then, due to the natural variations in climate, we expect to
see ten-year periods both globally and regionally with little or no
warming and other ten-year periods with very rapid warming. This complex
behaviour of the climate system shows why we need to examine much longer
periods than ten years if we are to fully understand and quantify how the
climate is changing.

Jumping on short term coolings to deny AGW shows a large degree of
ignorance. It's a little bit like saying the day's not so hot everytime
the sun goes behind a cloud.



My air conditioner thermostat does not lie.
Useage prior to the fall has decreased by a month for the 3 years.
Hmmm,,,go figure..
You can deny global cooling all you want, but my A/C tells the truth.











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Default 8th warmest December in 129 years of the NASA global groundrecord

On Jan 25, 10:05 pm, "GeekBoy" wrote:
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On Jan 25, 6:48 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
8th warmest December in 129 years of the NASA global ground record


In the real world,
outside the fossil fuel industry's spin and lies,
global mean surface temperatures continue to rise.
Please see:


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporat...20080923c.html


These globally averaged temperature data come from
NASA:http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt
They represent the results of tens of millions of readings
taken at thousands of stations covering all the lands of the
Earth over the last 129 years. Yes, the data are corrected
for the urban heat island effect.


The most recent 193 continuous months, or 16 years and 1 months,
on this GLB.Ts.txt data set are all above the 1951-1980
data set norm of 14 C.
There are 1548 months of data on this data set:
-- 755 of them are at or above the norm.
-- 793 of them are below the norm.
This run of 193 months above the norm is the result of a warming
world. It is too large to occur by chance at any reasonable level
of confidence. A major volcano eruption, thermonuclear war, or
meteor impact could stop this warming trend for a couple of years,
otherwise expect it to continue.


Neither Roger nor NASA types must get outside much. They actually
think it has been warm. Rog, any chance they screwed up this data
too? They have made it a habit.


Why do such inane snipes remind me of a frog in a pot.


Take a good look at the link that was provided above, specifically the
graph showing the global average temperature anomaly from 1975 to 2007,
relative to the 1961-1990 average. . Where is the cooling?
Quote: In La Niña years - when cold water rises to the surface of the
Pacific Ocean - temperatures can be considerably colder than normal.
Volcanic eruptions can also cause temporary drops in global temperatures
because of huge amounts of dust thrown high into the atmosphere that
reduce the amount of sunlight that reaches the surface. A La Nina was
present throughout 2007 and much of 2008; despite this temporary cooling,
2008 is currently the tenth warmest in the global record.


Quote: As a result of such fluctuations, global average temperature trends
calculated over ten-year periods have varied since the mid-1970s, from a
modest cooling to a warming rate of more than 0.3 °C per decade. Similar
behaviour is also seen in individual model predictions of future climate
change where the long-term warming trend is forecast to exceed 2 °C per
century. Even then, due to the natural variations in climate, we expect to
see ten-year periods both globally and regionally with little or no
warming and other ten-year periods with very rapid warming. This complex
behaviour of the climate system shows why we need to examine much longer
periods than ten years if we are to fully understand and quantify how the
climate is changing.


Jumping on short term coolings to deny AGW shows a large degree of
ignorance. It's a little bit like saying the day's not so hot everytime
the sun goes behind a cloud.


My air conditioner thermostat does not lie.
Useage prior to the fall has decreased by a month for the 3 years.
Hmmm,,,go figure..
You can deny global cooling all you want, but my A/C tells the truth.



I happen to live in FL where it was a seriously cold Dec. My in-laws
live in N. IL where it was a seriously cold Dec, they say the coldest
since 1979. In AK is was a very cold Dec.. So we seem to have a very
large geographical distribution to very cold weather.
NASA also, has had a few problems with their data set, like having it
be off by over a month in the Fall. NASA can not be considered a
reliable source anymore. Real life experience trumps theory and real
life says Dec was cold over most of the world.
AGW is nonsense concocted by people who think it'll get them more
funding for studies.


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