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On Jan 26, 9:58*pm, "obonz" wrote:
A third of the world could face starvation .21 Jan 2009 Gary Sides, a cattle nutritionist for Pfizer Animal Health, argues that changes in sunspot activity, not greenhouse gases, are primarily responsible for global climate change. Who or what are you going to believe "a cattle nutritionist for Pfizer Animal Health," or the actual measurements? Directly observed data from the last half century give little reason to believe that sunspots alter global temperatures. Recent global mean surface temperatures have not tracked sunspot numbers at all, but those same temperatures track atmospheric CO2 concentrations very well. CO2 or Sunspots: Statistical Correlation Chooses Statistical correlation is a powerful technique with very many uses. It produces "R squared" a measure of whether two series of measures trend together. (Those who are new to statistical correlation and "R squared" will find a tutorial on the subject he http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Correlation.html http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Correla...efficient.html Item 20 in the above shows R squared for several graphed relationships.) When applied to a time series of global mean surface temperatures and data from prospective global warming causes covering the same time period, correlation can help locate the cause of the observed global warming. Low "R squared" values, those near zero, can, by themselves, totally rule out a prospective cause. High "R squared" values indicate that a prospective cause is very likely, but do not, by themselves, 'prove' something caused the warming. (Experimental science rarely 'proves' something like a mathematical proof does.) Below are directly observed data for global mean surface temperature, CO2 concentration, and sunspots for the last 51 years. This is as long as the longest directly observed record of atmospheric CO2 concentration. The R^2 value for the correlation of CO2 and planetary surface temperature is 0.78. The simple rising line showing heating for increasing CO2 explains a lot of the variance in the global mean temperature. The relationship between CO2 and global temperature is very strong and the anthropogenic greenhouse gas radiative forcing theory is well supported by these data. The R^2 value for sunspots and and planetary surface temperature is very near zero. These data clearly do not support any relationship between sunspot numbers and global mean surface temperature over the last 51 years. It is very unlikely that sunspots have anything to do with the current global warming. This test applies very easily to all other claims for global warming causes. It will quickly separate the wheat from the chaff. -.-. --.- Roger Coppock =-=-=-=-=-=-= The Data =-=-=-=-=-=-= The global mean surface "Temp"erature data are the GISS adjusted J-D yearly land and sea average, available from NASA at: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ta...LB.Ts+dSST.txt The "CO2" data are the yearly averages of the monthly data from the Keeling curve measured at Mauna Loa, available at: ftp://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co2/trends/co2_mm_mlo.txt "Sunspots" are the yearly averages of the monthly means in the NOAA NGDC "MONTHLY" file. They are available at the FTP site accessed through this web page: http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/SSN/ssn.html Year Temp CO2 Sunspots 1958 14.08 315.33 184.5917 1959 14.06 315.98 158.75 1960 13.99 316.91 112.275 1961 14.08 317.64 53.8833 1962 14.04 318.45 37.6 1963 14.08 318.99 27.8917 1964 13.79 319.20 10.2 1965 13.89 320.04 15.0583 1966 13.97 321.38 46.875 1967 14.00 322.16 93.6667 1968 13.96 323.04 105.8917 1969 14.08 324.62 105.5583 1970 14.03 325.68 104.6917 1971 13.90 326.32 66.65 1972 14.00 327.45 68.9333 1973 14.14 329.68 37.983 1974 13.92 330.17 34.4083 1975 13.95 331.13 15.4583 1976 13.84 332.05 12.55 1977 14.13 333.78 27.4833 1978 14.02 335.41 92.6583 1979 14.09 336.78 155.275 1980 14.18 338.68 154.65 1981 14.26 340.11 140.45 1982 14.05 341.22 116.2917 1983 14.26 342.84 66.6333 1984 14.09 344.22 45.85 1985 14.05 345.87 17.9417 1986 14.13 347.19 13.4 1987 14.27 348.98 29.225 1988 14.31 351.45 100 1989 14.20 352.90 157.7917 1990 14.38 354.16 142.2917 1991 14.35 355.48 145.775 1992 14.12 356.27 94.4833 1993 14.14 356.95 54.7333 1994 14.24 358.64 29.8667 1995 14.38 360.63 17.5 1996 14.30 362.37 8.625 1997 14.40 363.47 21.567 1998 14.57 366.50 64.2083 1999 14.33 368.15 93.175 2000 14.33 369.40 119.5333 2001 14.48 371.07 110.925 2002 14.56 373.17 104.0917 2003 14.55 375.78 63.5667 2004 14.48 377.52 40.4417 2005 14.62 379.76 29.7833 2006 14.55 381.85 15.1833 2007 14.57 383.71 7.5 2008 14.44 385.45 2.8417 =-=-=-=-=-=-= "R" Program Outputs =-=-=-=-=-=-= The following are outputs of the "R" statistical program: For information on "R," please see: http://www.r-project.org/ -------- Call: lm(formula = Temp ~ CO2, data = aframe) Coefficients: Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(|t|) (Intercept) 11.07344370 0.23413253 47.2956 2.22e-16 *** CO2 0.00902958 0.00067735 13.3308 2.22e-16 *** --- Signif. codes: 0 *** 0.001 ** 0.01 * 0.05 . 0.1 1 Residual standard error: 0.101728 on 49 degrees of freedom Multiple R-Squared: 0.783864, Adjusted R-squared: 0.779453 F-statistic: 177.709 on 1 and 49 DF, p-value: 2.220e-16 -------- Call: lm(formula = Temp ~ Sunspots, data = aframe) Coefficients: Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(|t|) (Intercept) 1.41946e+01 5.26156e-02 269.7793 2e-16 *** Sunspots -8.24043e-05 6.09971e-04 -0.1351 0.89309 --- Signif. codes: 0 *** 0.001 ** 0.01 * 0.05 . 0.1 1 Residual standard error: 0.218775 on 49 degrees of freedom Multiple R-Squared: 0.000372326, Adjusted R-squared: -0.0200282 F-statistic: 0.0182508 on 1 and 49 DF, p-value: 0.89309 |
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![]() "Roger Coppock" wrote in message ... On Jan 26, 9:58 pm, "obonz" wrote: A third of the world could face starvation .21 Jan 2009 Gary Sides, a cattle nutritionist for Pfizer Animal Health, argues that changes in sunspot activity, not greenhouse gases, are primarily responsible for global climate change. Who or what are you going to believe "a cattle nutritionist for Pfizer Animal Health," or the actual measurements? Directly observed data from the last half century give little reason to believe that sunspots alter global temperatures. Recent global mean surface temperatures have not tracked sunspot numbers at all, but those same temperatures track atmospheric CO2 concentrations very well. CO2 or Sunspots: Statistical Correlation Chooses ------------------ Thanks for your explanation. This is exactly why people, who have not progressed from highschool math, just don't get the point you are making. They usually try the lies great lies and statistics bit, without knowing why it was said, by whom and pertaining to what circumstance. If that fails they make an adhominem (which you needlessly made as well ...) which distracts from the actual context of the calculation, which was correct and I checked. A mere please to check the calculation and its conclusion would have been fine in positioning this all too obvious defence of corporate interests. R |
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