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Latest Satellite Data Show A Warming Global Climate
The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.2 The global data given above are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The regression statistics for the line in the graph above are below. Coefficients: Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(|t|) (Intercept) -25.39055 2.13541 -11.9 2e-16 YEARMON 0.01277 0.00107 11.9 7.27e-28 --- Residual standard error: 0.179 on 362 degrees of freedom Multiple R-Squared: 0.282 F-statistic: 142 on 1 and 362 DF, p-value: 7.27e-28 |
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![]() "Roger Coppock" wrote in message ... Latest Satellite Data Show A Warming Global Climate The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.2 The global data given above are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The regression statistics for the line in the graph above are below. Coefficients: Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(|t|) (Intercept) -25.39055 2.13541 -11.9 2e-16 YEARMON 0.01277 0.00107 11.9 7.27e-28 --- Residual standard error: 0.179 on 362 degrees of freedom Multiple R-Squared: 0.282 F-statistic: 142 on 1 and 362 DF, p-value: 7.27e-28 Yes I got the same result 0.0128 deg C warming per year for the full global data set since 1988. However if you do the same analysis for 1998 through the present you get a cooling trend of 0.0044 deg C per year - going on for the last 10 years. This is 10 years when we've seen the greatest CO2 emissions and should be seeing a dramatic acceleration of warming according to the AGW alarmists - instead we see a cooling trend. Also doesn't it bother you that the data is essentially flat for the southern hemisphere and tropics while it's the northern hemisphere that shows all the warming since 1988? This does not square with the theory of CO2 driven AGW either. It suggests to me a serious bias in the data, perhaps due to the far greater number of population centers in the northern hemisphere - maybe their increasing heat signature. I tend to be a believer in a gradual warming trend but this data makes me wonder. |
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On Apr 6, 6:05*pm, "BobLl" wrote:
"Roger Coppock" wrote in message ... Latest Satellite Data Show A Warming Global Climate The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.2 The global data given above are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The regression statistics for the line in the graph above are below. Coefficients: * * * * * * Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(|t|) (Intercept) -25.39055 * *2.13541 * -11.9 * 2e-16 YEARMON * * * 0.01277 * *0.00107 * *11.9 * 7.27e-28 --- Residual standard error: 0.179 on 362 degrees of freedom Multiple R-Squared: 0.282 F-statistic: *142 on 1 and 362 DF, *p-value: *7.27e-28 Yes I got the same result *0.0128 deg C warming per year for the full global data set since 1988. * However if you do the same analysis for 1998 through the present you get a cooling trend of 0.0044 deg C per year - going on for the last 10 years. Yes, we all know that there was a warm spike a decade ago. Fossil fool love to cherry pick data to place that spike at the start of their biased interval. Now be a good first year statistics student and compute R squared a p-value for your cherry pie. A R-squared of 0 and p-value of 0.359 is not significant. These data do not support your statement about a cooling trend over the last 10 years. Coefficients: Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(|t|) (Intercept) 9.09247 9.62200 0.94 0.35 YEARMON[K:length(YEARMON)] -0.00442 0.00480 -0.92 0.36 Residual standard error: 0.181 on 133 degrees of freedom Multiple R-Squared: 0.00634, Adjusted R-squared: -0.00113 F-statistic: 0.849 on 1 and 133 DF, p-value: 0.359 |
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![]() "Roger Coppock" wrote in message ... On Apr 6, 6:05 pm, "BobLl" wrote: "Roger Coppock" wrote in message ... Latest Satellite Data Show A Warming Global Climate The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.2 The global data given above are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The regression statistics for the line in the graph above are below. Coefficients: Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(|t|) (Intercept) -25.39055 2.13541 -11.9 2e-16 YEARMON 0.01277 0.00107 11.9 7.27e-28 --- Residual standard error: 0.179 on 362 degrees of freedom Multiple R-Squared: 0.282 F-statistic: 142 on 1 and 362 DF, p-value: 7.27e-28 Yes I got the same result 0.0128 deg C warming per year for the full global data set since 1988. However if you do the same analysis for 1998 through the present you get a cooling trend of 0.0044 deg C per year - going on for the last 10 years. Yes, we all know that there was a warm spike a decade ago. Fossil fool love to cherry pick data to place that spike at the start of their biased interval. Now be a good first year statistics student and compute R squared a p-value for your cherry pie. A R-squared of 0 and p-value of 0.359 is not significant. These data do not support your statement about a cooling trend over the last 10 years. Coefficients: Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(|t|) (Intercept) 9.09247 9.62200 0.94 0.35 YEARMON[K:length(YEARMON)] -0.00442 0.00480 -0.92 0.36 Residual standard error: 0.181 on 133 degrees of freedom Multiple R-Squared: 0.00634, Adjusted R-squared: -0.00113 F-statistic: 0.849 on 1 and 133 DF, p-value: 0.359 ************************************************* Looking at the data for the last 10 years is hardly cherry picking and the data is noisy whether you use 20 or 10 years. Your statistics are valid only if the variations about the line are gaussian but I agree the spike hurts them. If you avoid the spike and use the data from 2002 onward you get 0.023 deg C per year cooling with a r square value of 0.1 - not too shabby given the limitations of the data. However, I'm happy to accept your statistical argument that it cannot be determined whether the global temperature has been warming or cooling for the last 10 years. Make sure to tell the politicians. How about the hemisphere disparity? No answers for that one I see. |
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On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:11:41 -0700 (PDT), Roger Coppock
wrote: Latest Satellite Data Show A Warming Global Climate The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.2 The global data given above are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The regression statistics for the line in the graph above are below. Coefficients: Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(|t|) (Intercept) -25.39055 2.13541 -11.9 2e-16 YEARMON 0.01277 0.00107 11.9 7.27e-28 --- Residual standard error: 0.179 on 362 degrees of freedom Multiple R-Squared: 0.282 F-statistic: 142 on 1 and 362 DF, p-value: 7.27e-28 Broken promises, you keep promising warming, I keep freezing. |
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On Apr 6, 8:31*pm, "BobLl" wrote:
[ . . . ] However, I'm happy to accept your statistical argument that it cannot be determined whether the global temperature has been warming or cooling for the last 10 years. * Make sure to tell the politicians. Well, I'll be! How about the hemisphere disparity? *No answers for that one I see. That the Northern Hemisphere would warm faster than the Southern was predicted by Arrhenius in 1896. CO2 has more effect over land than sea, and the Northern Hemisphere has more land than the Southern. |
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On Apr 7, 7:34*am, Roger Coppock wrote:
On Apr 6, 8:31*pm, "BobLl" wrote: [ . . . ] However, I'm happy to accept your statistical argument that it cannot be determined whether the global temperature has been warming or cooling for the last 10 years. * Make sure to tell the politicians. Well, I'll be! How about the hemisphere disparity? *No answers for that one I see. That the Northern Hemisphere would warm faster than the Southern was predicted by Arrhenius in 1896. *CO2 has more effect over land than sea, and the Northern Hemisphere has more land than the Southern. But the land in the south isnt warming. In fact much of it is cooling. So Arrhenius is wrong, and so are you. AGW is nothing but natural variability and intentionaly fraudulent scinece. |
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On Apr 7, 1:31*pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
On Apr 6, 6:05*pm, "BobLl" wrote: "Roger Coppock" wrote in message ... Latest Satellite Data Show A Warming Global Climate The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.2 The global data given above are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The regression statistics for the line in the graph above are below. Coefficients: * * * * * * Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(|t|) (Intercept) -25.39055 * *2.13541 * -11.9 * 2e-16 YEARMON * * * 0.01277 * *0.00107 * *11.9 * 7.27e-28 --- Residual standard error: 0.179 on 362 degrees of freedom Multiple R-Squared: 0.282 F-statistic: *142 on 1 and 362 DF, *p-value: *7.27e-28 Yes I got the same result *0.0128 deg C warming per year for the full global data set since 1988. * However if you do the same analysis for 1998 through the present you get a cooling trend of 0.0044 deg C per year - going on for the last 10 years. Yes, we all know that there was a warm spike a decade ago. *Fossil fool love to cherry pick data to place that spike at the start of their biased interval. Now be a good first year statistics student and compute R squared a p-value for your cherry pie. *A R-squared of 0 and p-value of 0.359 is not significant. *These data do not support your statement about a cooling trend over the last 10 years. Coefficients: * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(|t|) (Intercept) * * * * * * * * 9.09247 * *9.62200 * *0.94 * * 0.35 YEARMON[K:length(YEARMON)] -0.00442 * *0.00480 * -0.92 * * 0.36 Residual standard error: 0.181 on 133 degrees of freedom Multiple R-Squared: 0.00634, * *Adjusted R-squared: -0.00113 F-statistic: 0.849 on 1 and 133 DF, *p-value: 0.359 Yes, we all know that there was a warm spike a decade ago. Fossil fool love to cherry pick data to place that spike at the start of their biased interval. Yes, we all know that AGW Alarmist Crackpots claimed the warm spike as evidence of accelerating global warming when it occurred. Then when the temperature dropped like a stone, they quickly changed their story to try and cover their backsides. Roger, and all other AGW Alarmist Crackpots, refuse to look at any temperatures that occurred after the warm spike (because it proves that AGW is wrong). Roger still lives in the time period between 1980 and 1998, and all of his regressions feature the warm spike near the end of the time range, because this is the only way that he can get a positive slope. |
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On Apr 7, 2:20*am, Mr Right wrote:
[ . . . ] Roger, and all other AGW Alarmist Crackpots, refuse to look at any temperatures that occurred after the warm spike (because it proves that AGW is wrong) We do look at it. When we look at those few years we discover not much significance. It takes about three decades to establish significant trends. As I said: Now be a good first year statistics student and compute R squared a p-value for your cherry pie. A R-squared of 0 and p-value of 0.359 is not significant. These data do not support your statement about a cooling trend over the last 10 years. Coefficients: Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(|t|) (Intercept) 9.09247 9.62200 0.94 0.35 YEARMON[K:length(YEARMON)] -0.00442 0.00480 -0.92 0.36 Residual standard error: 0.181 on 133 degrees of freedom Multiple R-Squared: 0.00634, Adjusted R-squared: -0.00113 F-statistic: 0.849 on 1 and 133 DF, p-value: 0.359 |
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On Apr 6, 11:37*pm, What A. Fool wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:11:41 -0700 (PDT), Roger Coppock wrote: Latest Satellite Data Show A Warming Global Climate The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.2 The global data given above are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The regression statistics for the line in the graph above are below. Coefficients: * * * * * * Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(|t|) (Intercept) -25.39055 * *2.13541 * -11.9 * 2e-16 YEARMON * * * 0.01277 * *0.00107 * *11.9 * 7.27e-28 --- Residual standard error: 0.179 on 362 degrees of freedom Multiple R-Squared: 0.282 F-statistic: *142 on 1 and 362 DF, *p-value: *7.27e-28 * * * * * Broken promises, you keep promising warming, I keep freezing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, same here. They keep making warming promises, for about thirty years now, but we keep getting cooler weather then usual. Shouldn't it be a little warmer then usual after so many years of "Warming"? I hope for Global Warming, and look forward to it. Less snow to shovel, and maybe I won't have to retire to Florida. I hope we aren't headed for Global Cooling. |
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