On Apr 11, 11:27*pm, Fran wrote:
On Apr 12, 12:03*pm, Roger Coppock wrote:

Why Do Bad Fossil Fool Arguments Survive?

Please see:

http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/04...and-argumentat...

There are several good examples of bad fossil foolery surviving
on this alt.global-warming forum.

Ah ... you've modified the claim to include "on this alt.global-
warming forum".

The arguments don't survive except in the sense that people keep
repeating them and the main reason they keep getting repeated is that
those pushing them

••*As usual Fran has her facts backward

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Crude oil forms as a natural
inorganic process which occurs between the
mantle and the crust, somewhere between 5 and
20 miles deep.

The mechanism is as follows:
• Methane (CH4) is a common molecule found
in quantity throughout our solar system –
huge concentrations exist at great depth in the
Earth.

• At the mantle-crust interface, roughly 20,000
feet beneath the surface, rapidly rising streams
of compressed methane-based gasses hit
pockets of high temperature causing the
condensation of heavier hydrocarbons.

• The product of this condensation is commonly
known as crude oil.

• Some compressed methane-based gasses migrate
into pockets and reservoirs we extract as "natural
gas."

• In the geologically "cooler," more tectonically
table regions around the globe, the crude oil
pools into reservoirs.

• In the "hotter," more volcanic and tectonically
active areas, the oil and natural gas continue
to condense and eventually to oxidize,
producing carbon dioxide and steam, which
exits from active volcanoes.

• Periodically, depending on variations of
geology and Earth movement, oil seeps to the
surface in quantity, creating the vast oil-sand
deposits of Canada and Venezuela, or the
continual seeps found beneath the Gulf of
Mexico and Uzbekistan.

• Periodically, depending on variations of
geology, the vast, deep pools of oil break free
and replenish existing known reserves of oil.

•• There are a number of observations across the
oil-producing regions of the globe that support
this theory, and the list of proponents begins with
Mendelev (who created the periodic table of
elements) and includes Dr. Thomas Gold
(founding director of Cornell University Center
for Radiophysics and Space Research) and Dr. J.F.
Kenney of Gas Resources Corp, Houston, Texas.

On Apr 13, 6:21*am, "
wrote:
On Apr 11, 11:27*pm, Fran wrote:





On Apr 12, 12:03*pm, Roger Coppock wrote:

Why Do Bad Fossil Fool Arguments Survive?

Please see:

http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/04...and-argumentat....

There are several good examples of bad fossil foolery surviving
on this alt.global-warming forum.

Ah ... you've modified the claim to include "on this alt.global-
warming forum".

The arguments don't survive except in the sense that people keep
repeating them and the main reason they keep getting repeated is that
those pushing them

••*As usual Fran has her facts backward

snip stream of consciousness

As usual, you have nothing pertinent to add.

Fran

Fran wrote:
On Apr 13, 6:21 am, "
wrote:
On Apr 11, 11:27 pm, Fran wrote:





On Apr 12, 12:03 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
Why Do Bad Fossil Fool Arguments Survive?
Please see:
http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/04...and-argumentat...
There are several good examples of bad fossil foolery surviving
on this alt.global-warming forum.
Ah ... you've modified the claim to include "on this alt.global-
warming forum".
The arguments don't survive except in the sense that people keep
repeating them and the main reason they keep getting repeated is that
those pushing them
•• As usual Fran has her facts backward

snip stream of consciousness

As usual, you have nothing pertinent to add.

Fran

Hi Fran: AGW denial is a disease which is hard to cure.

Q

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The only thing to fear is invisible stupidity.

On Apr 13, 12:41*pm, qqq_qqq wrote:
Fran wrote:
On Apr 13, 6:21 am, "
wrote:
On Apr 11, 11:27 pm, Fran wrote:

On Apr 12, 12:03 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
Why Do Bad Fossil Fool Arguments Survive?
Please see:
http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/04...and-argumentat....
There are several good examples of bad fossil foolery surviving
on this alt.global-warming forum.
Ah ... you've modified the claim to include "on this alt.global-
warming forum".
The arguments don't survive except in the sense that people keep
repeating them and the main reason they keep getting repeated is that
those pushing them
•• As usual Fran has her facts backward

snip stream of consciousness

As usual, you have nothing pertinent to add.

Fran

Hi Fran: AGW denial is a disease which is hard to cure.

Q

--
The only thing to fear is invisible stupidity

What's invisible stupidity?

Fran

Fran wrote:

[snip]

What's invisible stupidity?

Suppose that you want to fly from New York to San Francisco. Before
take-off the mechanic detects a serious problem caused by some stupidity
in the design of the aircraft. The plane is grounded and all passengers
can't travel to San Francisco. This situation is called visible
stupidity but the mechanic is the hero of the year.

But suppose now that the mechanic did not find the problem, that the
plane takes off and that a red warming light pops up at 30000 feet over
Kansas telling that the plane just completely lost hydraulics pressure.
This is a very dangerous type of situation which we all fear, and it may
be caused by the phenomenon "invisible stupidity".

The discussion comes back to technical designs which are fundamentally
flawed but which are taken for granted. The reliability of everything
designed by humans is basically unknown due to unknown design flaws
which once in a while pop up out of nowhere because somebody did not
anticipate a situation. If there is something I fear then it is
invisible stupidity.

Now, there is a relation to global warming of course. We designed this
world around the idea that fossil fuel supplies are infinite and that we
can burn as much as we like. With the present knowledge about greenhouse
gases it just feels like a serious design flaw. Where was the mechanic
to tell us 50 years ago that "our plane" had a serious problem? Was he
fired?

Q

--
The only thing to fear is invisible stupidity.

On Apr 13, 1:23*pm, qqq_qqq wrote:
Fran wrote:

[snip]

What's invisible stupidity?

Suppose that you want to fly from New York to San Francisco. Before
take-off the mechanic detects a serious problem caused by some stupidity
in the design of the aircraft. The plane is grounded and all passengers
can't travel to San Francisco. This situation is called visible
stupidity but the mechanic is the hero of the year.

But suppose now that the mechanic did not find the problem, that the
plane takes off and that a red warming light pops up at 30000 feet over
Kansas telling that the plane just completely lost hydraulics pressure.
This is a very dangerous type of situation which we all fear, and it may
be caused by the phenomenon "invisible stupidity".


It needs a better name. Unidentified flaw? Unknown unknown (Rumsfeld)

The discussion comes back to technical designs which are fundamentally
flawed but which are taken for granted. The reliability of everything
designed by humans is basically unknown due to unknown design flaws
which once in a while pop up out of nowhere because somebody did not
anticipate a situation. If there is something I fear then it is
invisible stupidity.


You shouldn't fear that. Imperfection is part of the human condition.
We keep learning how much we need to learn.

Now, there is a relation to global warming of course. We designed this
world around the idea that fossil fuel supplies are infinite and that we
can burn as much as we like.

That's a common view, but I suspect it was more a case of cognitive
dissonance. It suited many of us not to think of the future, or of
externalities.

With the present knowledge about greenhouse
gases it just feels like a serious design flaw. Where was the mechanic
to tell us 50 years ago that "our planet" had a serious problem? Was he
fired?


Marion King Hubbert told us about the limits to resource exploitation.

Fran

wrote:
On Apr 11, 11:27 pm, Fran wrote:
On Apr 12, 12:03 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:

Why Do Bad Fossil Fool Arguments Survive?

Please see:

http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/04...and-argumentat...

There are several good examples of bad fossil foolery surviving
on this alt.global-warming forum.

Ah ... you've modified the claim to include "on this alt.global-
warming forum".

The arguments don't survive except in the sense that people keep
repeating them and the main reason they keep getting repeated is that
those pushing them

•• As usual Fran has her facts backward

- -
Crude oil forms as a natural
inorganic process

A ridiculous lie. lol

"qqq_qqq" wrote in message
...
Fran wrote:

[snip]

What's invisible stupidity?

Suppose that you want to fly from New York to San Francisco. Before
take-off the mechanic detects a serious problem caused by some
stupidity
in the design of the aircraft. The plane is grounded and all
passengers
can't travel to San Francisco. This situation is called visible
stupidity but the mechanic is the hero of the year.

But suppose now that the mechanic did not find the problem, that the
plane takes off and that a red warming light pops up at 30000 feet
over
Kansas telling that the plane just completely lost hydraulics
pressure.
This is a very dangerous type of situation which we all fear, and it
may
be caused by the phenomenon "invisible stupidity".

The discussion comes back to technical designs which are fundamentally
flawed but which are taken for granted. The reliability of everything
designed by humans is basically unknown due to unknown design flaws
which once in a while pop up out of nowhere because somebody did not
anticipate a situation. If there is something I fear then it is
invisible stupidity.

Now, there is a relation to global warming of course. We designed this
world around the idea that fossil fuel supplies are infinite and that
we
can burn as much as we like. With the present knowledge about
greenhouse
gases it just feels like a serious design flaw. Where was the mechanic
to tell us 50 years ago that "our plane" had a serious problem? Was he
fired?


Liberals always know exactly what to do after it's too late. - anon

On Apr 13, 9:34*am, "James" wrote:
"qqq_qqq" wrote in message

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Fran wrote:

[snip]

What's invisible stupidity?

Suppose that you want to fly from New York to San Francisco. Before
take-off the mechanic detects a serious problem caused by some
stupidity
in the design of the aircraft. The plane is grounded and all
passengers
can't travel to San Francisco. This situation is called visible
stupidity but the mechanic is the hero of the year.

But suppose now that the mechanic did not find the problem, that the
plane takes off and that a red warming light pops up at 30000 feet
over
Kansas telling that the plane just completely lost hydraulics
pressure.
This is a very dangerous type of situation which we all fear, and it
may
be caused by the phenomenon "invisible stupidity".

The discussion comes back to technical designs which are fundamentally
flawed but which are taken for granted. The reliability of everything
designed by humans is basically unknown due to unknown design flaws
which once in a while pop up out of nowhere because somebody did not
anticipate a situation. If there is something I fear then it is
invisible stupidity.

Now, there is a relation to global warming of course. We designed this
world around the idea that fossil fuel supplies are infinite and that
we
can burn as much as we like. With the present knowledge about
greenhouse
gases it just feels like a serious design flaw. Where was the mechanic
to tell us 50 years ago that "our plane" had a serious problem? Was he
fired?

Liberals always know exactly what to do after it's too late. - anon- Hide quoted text -

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DEFINE LIBERAL. DEFINE CONSERVATIVE.

"richp" wrote in message
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On Apr 13, 9:34 am, "James" wrote:
"qqq_qqq" wrote in message

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Fran wrote:

[snip]

What's invisible stupidity?

Suppose that you want to fly from New York to San Francisco. Before
take-off the mechanic detects a serious problem caused by some
stupidity
in the design of the aircraft. The plane is grounded and all
passengers
can't travel to San Francisco. This situation is called visible
stupidity but the mechanic is the hero of the year.

But suppose now that the mechanic did not find the problem, that the
plane takes off and that a red warming light pops up at 30000 feet
over
Kansas telling that the plane just completely lost hydraulics
pressure.
This is a very dangerous type of situation which we all fear, and it
may
be caused by the phenomenon "invisible stupidity".

The discussion comes back to technical designs which are
fundamentally
flawed but which are taken for granted. The reliability of
everything
designed by humans is basically unknown due to unknown design flaws
which once in a while pop up out of nowhere because somebody did not
anticipate a situation. If there is something I fear then it is
invisible stupidity.

Now, there is a relation to global warming of course. We designed
this
world around the idea that fossil fuel supplies are infinite and
that
we
can burn as much as we like. With the present knowledge about
greenhouse
gases it just feels like a serious design flaw. Where was the
mechanic
to tell us 50 years ago that "our plane" had a serious problem? Was
he
fired?

Liberals always know exactly what to do after it's too late. - anon-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

DEFINE LIBERAL. DEFINE CONSERVATIVE.

LOL That line goes all the way back to the 70s. maybe even 60s. It's
used when there is no way to defend.