The following long term global temperature measures
do not come from ground stations. Note that every
one of them has a warming trend.

-- The Sea Surface Temperature, or SST, record
Here, from Hadley Centre, are the global sea surface
temperatures from 1850 to 2008. Please see:
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/te.../hadsst2gl.txt
The yearly means of these data are graphed he
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadSST2gl.jpg

-- Two balloon records show this same surface level warming:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/ratpac/index.php
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/...?name=ratpac-a
The data are found in the "year" and "surf" columns of the "GLOBE"
section of this file:
http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/r...ual-levels.txt
These very robust global yearly mean ground data are graphed he
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RATPAC-A-Balloon.jpg

http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/trends/tem...ll/angell.html
http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/ftp/trends...ell/global.dat
These global yearly mean ground data are graphed he
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Angell-Balloon.jpg

-- The satellite record, in all its current interpretations,
shows that the air near the surface is warming too.
For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements

The URL below is one of the more conservative records
from the University of Alabama at Huntsville.
http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.2
The global data are graphed he
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg

The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis
shows a 0.16K/Decade rise over the land and sea.
http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthly_time_series/
RSS_Monthly_MSU_AMSU_Channel_TLT_Anomalies_Land_an d_Ocean_v03_2.txt
The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed he
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg

-- The record of sea ice melting:
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/n_plot.html
http://nsidc.org/news/press/2007_sea...ssrelease.html
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/

-- The glacier retreat record:
http://nsidc.org/sotc/glacier_balance.html

-- The bore hole record:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globa...g/pollack.html

-- Rising sea level:
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:R...Level_Rise.png

Roger Coppock wrote:
The following long term global temperature measures
do not come from ground stations. Note that every
one of them has a warming trend.

-- The Sea Surface Temperature, or SST, record
Here, from Hadley Centre, are the global sea surface
temperatures from 1850 to 2008. Please see:
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/te.../hadsst2gl.txt
The yearly means of these data are graphed he
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadSST2gl.jpg

Note the precipitous cooling trend since 2000. Show me any other place on
the graph where a similar set of points was not indicative of an actual
trend.


-- Two balloon records show this same surface level warming:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/ratpac/index.php
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/...?name=ratpac-a
The data are found in the "year" and "surf" columns of the "GLOBE"
section of this file:
http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/r...ual-levels.txt
These very robust global yearly mean ground data are graphed he
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RATPAC-A-Balloon.jpg

http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/trends/tem...ll/angell.html
http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/ftp/trends...ell/global.dat
These global yearly mean ground data are graphed he
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Angell-Balloon.jpg

-- The satellite record, in all its current interpretations,
shows that the air near the surface is warming too.
For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements

The URL below is one of the more conservative records
from the University of Alabama at Huntsville.
http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.2
The global data are graphed he
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg

Shows cooling since 2002 and that current temperature is around the average
since 1979. No crisis to be seen.


The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis
shows a 0.16K/Decade rise over the land and sea.
http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthly_time_series/
RSS_Monthly_MSU_AMSU_Channel_TLT_Anomalies_Land_an d_Ocean_v03_2.txt
The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed he
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg

-- The record of sea ice melting:
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/n_plot.html
http://nsidc.org/news/press/2007_sea...ssrelease.html
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/

Arctic sea ice has now recovered to the average since 1979. Antarctic sea
ice is above the average since 1979. Global sea ice is above the average
since 1979. Crisis you say?


-- The glacier retreat record:
http://nsidc.org/sotc/glacier_balance.html

-- The bore hole record:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globa...g/pollack.html

Can you say "immense natural forces are at work"?
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globa...leobefore.html



-- Rising sea level:
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:R...Level_Rise.png

Barely perceptible sea level rise - been rising since the last ice age -
before anthropogenic CO2. No crisis.

On May 11, 7:45*pm, "BobLl" wrote:
[ . . . ]
Note the precipitous cooling trend since 2000. *Show me any other place on
the graph where a similar set of points was not indicative of an actual
trend.
[ . . . ]
Shows cooling since 2002 and that current temperature is around the average
since 1979. *No crisis to be seen.


Statements like yours above separate you, who
interpet your hormones, from the scientists,
who use statistics.

Given the variance in global climate data sets,
anyone who claims a climate trend on only 8 or
6 years of data is an uneducated fool.

Your local junior college probably offers an
introductory course in statistics. There you
would learn about variance and significance.

In the real world,
outside the fossil fuel industry's spin and lies,
global mean surface temperatures continue to rise.
Please see:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporat...20080923c.html

On Tue, 12 May 2009 01:46:01 -0700 (PDT), Roger Coppock wrote:

Your local junior college probably offers an
introductory course in statistics. There you
would learn about variance and significance.

Maybe they went but got an F?

Lee

On May 12, 5:38*am, Peter Muehlbauer
wrote:
Roger Coppock wrote:
On May 11, 7:45*pm, "BobLl" wrote:
[ . . . ]
Note the precipitous cooling trend since 2000. *Show me any other place on
the graph where a similar set of points was not indicative of an actual
trend.
[ . . . ]
Shows cooling since 2002 and that current temperature is around the average
since 1979. *No crisis to be seen.

Statements like yours above separate you, who
interpet your hormones, from the scientists,
who use statistics.

Given the variance in global climate data sets,
anyone who claims a climate trend on only 8 or
6 years of data is an uneducated fool.

Your local junior college probably offers an
introductory course in statistics. There you
would learn about variance and significance.

In the real world,
outside the fossil fuel industry's spin and lies,
global mean surface temperatures continue to rise.
Please see:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporat...20080923c.html

What a bunch of crap.

"Average global temperatures are now some 0.75 °C warmer than they were 100
years ago."


""In the real world, outside the fossil fuel industry's spin and
lies""

So it must be the fossil fuel industry spin machine that says that CO2
was about 289ppm until anthropogenic sources began, and that this
level of CO2 in the atmosphere causes 7.4 degreesC of warming that
would not occur without CO2. Yet it is claimed that now there is 383
ppm. This is a 33% increase. It should therefore cause 2.4degC of
warming.

What a coincidence that this is the predicted warming from the IPCC.

If one claims that any of the warming trend of the 90's is caused by
CO2, then where the hell is the 2.4deg, and why did CO2 stop causing
warming in the 50's and 60's, and in the last ten years? In US
statistics, we are not warmer than the 30's, although the 'spin
machine' insists on only reviewing statistics back 50 years.

Time for poppycock to drag out his false correlation of CO2 to
temperatures.
Not only is there no substantiation of cause and effect, the
temperature statistics cannot be correlated with the supposed CO2
levels at all without serious omission of the actual fact.

Poppycock has proposed 'Hansen's pipeline', or somewhere that this
energy is stored as the reason that it cannot be detected. Others
claim the melting ice is soaking up all the heat. This does nothing to
explain why local temperatures do not show the warming trend from the
thirties that appears in Hansens rendition of the worldwide average.

Believers such as poppycock must relegate all information that does
not suit their beleifs to the Exxon devil as they believe anything at
all, however unsupported, that comes from the science of climate
scaremongering and the profit motives thereof.

KD

wrote:
On May 12, 5:38 am, Peter Muehlbauer
wrote:
Roger Coppock wrote:
On May 11, 7:45 pm, "BobLl" wrote:
[ . . . ]
Note the precipitous cooling trend since 2000. Show me any other
place on the graph where a similar set of points was not
indicative of an actual trend.
[ . . . ]
Shows cooling since 2002 and that current temperature is around
the average since 1979. No crisis to be seen.

Statements like yours above separate you, who
interpet your hormones, from the scientists,
who use statistics.

Given the variance in global climate data sets,
anyone who claims a climate trend on only 8 or
6 years of data is an uneducated fool.

Your local junior college probably offers an
introductory course in statistics. There you
would learn about variance and significance.

In the real world,
outside the fossil fuel industry's spin and lies,
global mean surface temperatures continue to rise.
Please see:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporat...20080923c.html

What a bunch of crap.

"Average global temperatures are now some 0.75 °C warmer than they
were 100 years ago."


""In the real world, outside the fossil fuel industry's spin and
lies""

So it must be the fossil fuel industry spin machine that says that CO2
was about 289ppm until anthropogenic sources began, and that this
level of CO2 in the atmosphere causes 7.4 degreesC of warming that
would not occur without CO2. Yet it is claimed that now there is 383
ppm. This is a 33% increase. It should therefore cause 2.4degC of
warming.

What a coincidence that this is the predicted warming from the IPCC.

If one claims that any of the warming trend of the 90's is caused by
CO2, then where the hell is the 2.4deg, and why did CO2 stop causing
warming in the 50's and 60's, and in the last ten years? In US
statistics, we are not warmer than the 30's, although the 'spin
machine' insists on only reviewing statistics back 50 years.

Time for poppycock to drag out his false correlation of CO2 to
temperatures.
Not only is there no substantiation of cause and effect, the
temperature statistics cannot be correlated with the supposed CO2
levels at all without serious omission of the actual fact.

Poppycock has proposed 'Hansen's pipeline', or somewhere that this
energy is stored as the reason that it cannot be detected. Others
claim the melting ice is soaking up all the heat. This does nothing to
explain why local temperatures do not show the warming trend from the
thirties that appears in Hansens rendition of the worldwide average.

Believers such as poppycock must relegate all information that does
not suit their beleifs to the Exxon devil as they believe anything at
all, however unsupported, that comes from the science of climate
scaremongering and the profit motives thereof.

KD

The usual word salad. lol

Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
Roger Coppock wrote:

On May 11, 7:45 pm, "BobLl" wrote:
[ . . . ]
Note the precipitous cooling trend since 2000. Show me any other
place on the graph where a similar set of points was not indicative
of an actual trend.
[ . . . ]
Shows cooling since 2002 and that current temperature is around the
average since 1979. No crisis to be seen.


Statements like yours above separate you, who
interpet your hormones, from the scientists,
who use statistics.

Given the variance in global climate data sets,
anyone who claims a climate trend on only 8 or
6 years of data is an uneducated fool.

Your local junior college probably offers an
introductory course in statistics. There you
would learn about variance and significance.

In the real world,
outside the fossil fuel industry's spin and lies,
global mean surface temperatures continue to rise.
Please see:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporat...20080923c.html

What a bunch of crap.

Hey petey, tell us again how climate scientists "should be shot down as of
this moment." lol

BobLl wrote:
Roger Coppock wrote:
The following long term global temperature measures
do not come from ground stations. Note that every
one of them has a warming trend.

-- The Sea Surface Temperature, or SST, record
Here, from Hadley Centre, are the global sea surface
temperatures from 1850 to 2008. Please see:
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/te.../hadsst2gl.txt
The yearly means of these data are graphed he
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadSST2gl.jpg

Note the precipitous cooling trend since 2000. Show me any other
place on the graph where a similar set of points was not indicative
of an actual trend.


-- Two balloon records show this same surface level warming:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/ratpac/index.php
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/...?name=ratpac-a
The data are found in the "year" and "surf" columns of the "GLOBE"
section of this file:
http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/r...ual-levels.txt
These very robust global yearly mean ground data are graphed he
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RATPAC-A-Balloon.jpg

http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/trends/tem...ll/angell.html
http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/ftp/trends...ell/global.dat
These global yearly mean ground data are graphed he
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Angell-Balloon.jpg

-- The satellite record, in all its current interpretations,
shows that the air near the surface is warming too.
For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements

The URL below is one of the more conservative records
from the University of Alabama at Huntsville.
http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.2
The global data are graphed he
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg

Shows cooling since 2002 and that current temperature is around the
average since 1979. No crisis to be seen.


The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis
shows a 0.16K/Decade rise over the land and sea.
http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthly_time_series/
RSS_Monthly_MSU_AMSU_Channel_TLT_Anomalies_Land_an d_Ocean_v03_2.txt
The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed he
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg

-- The record of sea ice melting:
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/n_plot.html
http://nsidc.org/news/press/2007_sea...ssrelease.html
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/

Arctic sea ice has now recovered to the average since 1979. Antarctic sea
ice is above the average since 1979. Global sea ice is
above the average since 1979. Crisis you say?


-- The glacier retreat record:
http://nsidc.org/sotc/glacier_balance.html

-- The bore hole record:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globa...g/pollack.html

Can you say "immense natural forces are at work"?
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globa...leobefore.html



-- Rising sea level:
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:R...Level_Rise.png

Barely perceptible sea level rise - been rising since the last ice
age - before anthropogenic CO2. No crisis.

Why does bobby lie? lol