On May 19, 10:26 am, "ozonb" wrote:
"Fran" wrote in message

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On May 18, 5:57 pm, "APR" wrote:

"Roger Coppock" wrote in message
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Bonzo is telling very old lies here.

You are the lier and a ****** also. I have been around since well before the
seventies and can verify that the articles around that time proposed
catastrophic cooling for the future.

Nonsense. This is an old fossil fool talking point that does the
rounds as whenever you liars think enough time has passed for some
people not to have read the debunking.

Here's a recent post of mine from January 17th: (Earth On The Brink Of
An Ice Age)

At no point in the 1970s did any scientist predict a new ice age in
the near term. A *handful* merely noted some cool years in North
America and bearing in mind the prevailing orbital forcing pattern,
speculated on the possibility that this *might* be a harbinger of what
was to come. Nevertheless, the strong majority of published papers
during the seventies continued to argue that global warming was more
likely.

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So Reid Bryson is not a scientist then?


I never said that *no scientists* claimed it. Bryson did not claim
there would be a new ice age in the short term and was one of a
handful of people predicting cooling.


The article quoted climatologist Reid
Bryson, who said "there's no relief in sight" about the cooling trend."


And that in itself is interesting in the current context. If you look
up the Google references to Bryson touting him taking a swing at AGW,
they disappear the claim above completely and focus on one incident
with the naval fleet where he got a wind shift right.

Until he died he was claiming that warming was simply coming out of
the LIA, but this can't be reconciled with the claim you cite above
that "there was no end in sight to the cooling". In any event this is
just an observation on available data, not a firm prediction.

The serious point is that he struck at his hypothesis about the LIA in
the 1970s and now his PR agents have disappeared this Inconvenient
Truth.

Bryson warned, "It is something that, if it continues, will affect the whole human
occupation of the earth - like a billion people starving. The effects are already showing
up in a rather drastic way."


Well yes ... but he wasn't actually saying that it would continue ...

And, of course, Dr. J. Murray Mitchell Jr is not a scientist as well!.



Here what this source says:


Long before global climatic trends became big environmental news, he
pioneered efforts to understand and alert the nation to the causes of
cyclical droughts, periods of heavy rain, long-term changes in
temperature and atmosphere and the pressures of human population
growth on the climate.

Warnings on the Weather

In the 1960's, before the birth of modern environmentalism, Dr.
Mitchell warned that man-made effects on weather and the climate were
no longer trivial and should be studied urgently before they grew
beyond control.

He studied sunspot cycles, lunar influences, tree rings, volcanic
activity and other phenomena for clues to the past and future of the
world's climate. In 1976, he termed irresponsible the predictions that
the planet faced an impending ice age.

In the mid-70's, when other scientists warned that man's output of
heat threatened to melt the polar ice caps and flood coastal regions,
he concurred and warned of increasing amounts of carbon dioxide that
an industrial world was spewing into the atmosphere.

Dr. Mitchell in recent years cited growing evidence that the world's
gradually warming climate - an average of 1 degree over the last
century, and 3 to 5 degrees in polar regions -was a result of a
greenhouse effect in which the burning of fossil fuels in
industrialized nations produces carbon dioxide and other gases that
prevent the earth's heat from escaping into space. Such global warming
could alter weather patterns and disrupt agriculture.



http://www.nytimes.com/1990/10/08/ob...-peril-62.html


You are slandering him!


The Nov. 15, 1969, "Science News" quoted meteorologist Dr. J.
Murray Mitchell Jr. about global cooling worries. "How long the current cooling trend
continues is one of the most important problems of our civilization," he said.


This may be a verbal of Dr Mitchell. Let's see the original. Right
wing blogs don't cut it.

Even these don't say he predicted an imminent ice age. The attibuted
quote says IF the cooling didn't stop then in 200 or 300 years there
would be one ...

Fran