On Jul 22, 4:00 pm, "boonz" wrote:
"Fran" wrote in message

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On Jul 22, 2:25 pm, "James" wrote:





"Fran" wrote in message

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On Jul 22, 4:11 am, "I M @ good guy" wrote:

Thank God For Fossil Fuels

And here we have the high point of filth merchant "thought". One dare
not be sparing in using "god's bounty".

Without them, how many trees would be left standing,
what inventions would have been impossible, what medicines
would not have been made, how many whales would be left?

So, given that they are limited, we ought to be sparing in using them
right? Isn't solar energy also part of what religionists ought to be
thanking god for?

One cannot evaluate the contribution of fossil fuels without examining
also the negative side of the ledger.

But for fossil fuels, most of the deaths and injuries in the last 100
years or so would not have happened. War would not have been
sustainable on the scale that it was. Japan's war effort was doomed
once they were denied oil. Germany's faltered too. One only has to
look in the direction of the middle east to see that crude oil is the
lifeblood of the conflict and the chief prop to a number of seriously
pernicious regimes. Does anyone think oil is not an issue in the
conflict in Sudan? Nigeria? How much nof the benefit of oil trickles
down to those at the bottom of oil producing societies? In many cases,
all that trickles down is death and conflict. Oh ... and also what is
called "Dutch Disease" by economists. (Look it up)

And does anyone believe that road trauma would be what it was if oil
had not become available? Would convenience food and a sedentary
lifestyle have been possible on a mass scale without oil? Doubtful.

And then there's coal -- that other great killer, which all along ithe
chain shorten lives.

Undoubtedly, fossil fuels made possible marvellous things, but at a
terrible cost too. And right now, we are at the point where, precisely
because we now have other options, we ought to phase them out as
quickly as human interest permits.

Fran
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Well, I dunno. She seems reasonably intelligent but there is
something ....... I've got it!. She's full of ****. - George Carlin

Another James content free copy and paste: it's telling that you rate
the patter of a low-brow comic more highly than anything you can
compose yourself.

At least in this matter, you're probably right. Evaluating what I've
said is quite beyond you, as it is to the filth merchant fellow
travellers in general.
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Sorry komrade, but CO2 ain't "filth"!


Arguably, but what goes with it when it is released post combustion
from most industrial and transport activities is.

Fran

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:16:38 -0700 (PDT), Fran
wrote:

On Jul 22, 4:00 pm, "boonz" wrote:
"Fran" wrote in message

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On Jul 22, 2:25 pm, "James" wrote:





"Fran" wrote in message

...
On Jul 22, 4:11 am, "I M @ good guy" wrote:

Thank God For Fossil Fuels

And here we have the high point of filth merchant "thought". One dare
not be sparing in using "god's bounty".

Without them, how many trees would be left standing,
what inventions would have been impossible, what medicines
would not have been made, how many whales would be left?

So, given that they are limited, we ought to be sparing in using them
right? Isn't solar energy also part of what religionists ought to be
thanking god for?

One cannot evaluate the contribution of fossil fuels without examining
also the negative side of the ledger.

But for fossil fuels, most of the deaths and injuries in the last 100
years or so would not have happened. War would not have been
sustainable on the scale that it was. Japan's war effort was doomed
once they were denied oil. Germany's faltered too. One only has to
look in the direction of the middle east to see that crude oil is the
lifeblood of the conflict and the chief prop to a number of seriously
pernicious regimes. Does anyone think oil is not an issue in the
conflict in Sudan? Nigeria? How much nof the benefit of oil trickles
down to those at the bottom of oil producing societies? In many cases,
all that trickles down is death and conflict. Oh ... and also what is
called "Dutch Disease" by economists. (Look it up)

And does anyone believe that road trauma would be what it was if oil
had not become available? Would convenience food and a sedentary
lifestyle have been possible on a mass scale without oil? Doubtful.

And then there's coal -- that other great killer, which all along ithe
chain shorten lives.

Undoubtedly, fossil fuels made possible marvellous things, but at a
terrible cost too. And right now, we are at the point where, precisely
because we now have other options, we ought to phase them out as
quickly as human interest permits.

Fran
=====================================

Well, I dunno. She seems reasonably intelligent but there is
something ....... I've got it!. She's full of ****. - George Carlin

Another James content free copy and paste: it's telling that you rate
the patter of a low-brow comic more highly than anything you can
compose yourself.

At least in this matter, you're probably right. Evaluating what I've
said is quite beyond you, as it is to the filth merchant fellow
travellers in general.
======================================

Sorry komrade, but CO2 ain't "filth"!


Arguably, but what goes with it when it is released post combustion
from most industrial and transport activities is.

Fran


Fossil fuels are all thats keeping us alive at the moment.
Australia is now a net importer of food, and the only way to import
goods is either using ships or planes, both of which need fossil fuels
to run.
In order to pay for what we import, we have to export minerals ,
including coal by the millions of tonnes.
Those mega large mineral carrying ships queued up at Port Hedland
and Gladstone and Newcastle wont move very far without oil to run on.

As for Germanys war effort,it was entirely fuelled by synthetic oil
made from coal.
We are going to be using fossil fuels for a long time to come.

Australia has no shortage of coal, so we can make synthetic oil for
thousands of years.

On Jul 22, 6:53*pm, (Mauried) wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:16:38 -0700 (PDT), Fran
wrote:





On Jul 22, 4:00 pm, "boonz" wrote:
"Fran" wrote in message

....
On Jul 22, 2:25 pm, "James" wrote:

"Fran" wrote in message

....
On Jul 22, 4:11 am, "I M @ good guy" wrote:

Thank God For Fossil Fuels

And here we have the high point of filth merchant "thought". One dare
not be sparing in using "god's bounty".

Without them, how many trees would be left standing,
what inventions would have been impossible, what medicines
would not have been made, how many whales would be left?

So, given that they are limited, we ought to be sparing in using them
right? Isn't solar energy also part of what religionists ought to be
thanking god for?

One cannot evaluate the contribution of fossil fuels without examining
also the negative side of the ledger.

But for fossil fuels, most of the deaths and injuries in the last 100
years or so would not have happened. War would not have been
sustainable on the scale that it was. Japan's war effort was doomed
once they were denied oil. Germany's faltered too. One only has to
look in the direction of the middle east to see that crude oil is the
lifeblood of the conflict and the chief prop to a number of seriously
pernicious regimes. Does anyone think oil is not an issue in the
conflict in Sudan? Nigeria? How much nof the benefit of oil trickles
down to those at the bottom of oil producing societies? In many cases,
all that trickles down is death and conflict. Oh ... and also what is
called "Dutch Disease" by economists. (Look it up)

And does anyone believe that road trauma would be what it was if oil
had not become available? Would convenience food and a sedentary
lifestyle have been possible on a mass scale without oil? Doubtful.

And then there's coal -- that other great killer, which all along ithe
chain shorten lives.

Undoubtedly, fossil fuels made possible marvellous things, but at a
terrible cost too. And right now, we are at the point where, precisely
because we now have other options, we ought to phase them out as
quickly as human interest permits.

Fran
=====================================

Well, I dunno. She seems reasonably intelligent but there is
something ....... I've got it!. She's full of ****. - George Carlin

Another James content free copy and paste: it's telling that you rate
the patter of a low-brow comic more highly than anything you can
compose yourself.

At least in this matter, you're probably right. Evaluating what I've
said is quite beyond you, as it is to the filth merchant fellow
travellers in general.
======================================

Sorry komrade, but CO2 ain't "filth"!

Arguably, but what goes with it when it is released post combustion
from most industrial and transport activities is.

Fran

Fossil fuels are all thats keeping us alive at the moment.

Gosh ... what about air?

Hyperbole aside, what' s your point?


Australia is now a net importer of food, and the only way to import
goods is either using ships or planes, both of which need fossil fuels
to run.

Ships can run on biodiesel or nuclear. Very little staple food comes
off aircraft, but biofuels for aircraft are getting nearer.

In order to pay for what we import, we have to export minerals ,
including coal by the millions of tonnes.

Well Australia imports an enormous amount of consumer junk, but again,
what's your point?

Those mega large mineral carrying ships queued up at Port Hedland
and Gladstone and Newcastle wont move very far without oil to run on.


Or biodiesel, or nuclear, if they were so designed.

As for Germanys war effort,it was entirely fuelled by synthetic oil
made from coal.

Which underlines my point. You're arguing against my proposition,
right? You do know that coal is a fossil fuel right? You do know that
this process ultimately undermined the war effort as plant was
destroyed.

We are going to be using fossil fuels for a long time to come.


Probably, but that's not the point. The point was that resort to
fossil fuels is for the moment, a necessary evil but we should move as
quickly as possible to replace them.

Australia has no shortage of coal, so we can make synthetic oil for
thousands of years

Only if we don't care about our air quality.

Fran