On Oct 19, 8:01*pm, (Doug Bashford) wrote:
*In *On Mon, 19 Oct 2009, o bno
said about:
* Explaining Science to a Global Warming Denialist



"Doug Bashford" *wrote...

global warming: Compact Oxford English
Dictionary
*. noun

........snip



... the Soviet Union collapsed and the desperate
commo's looked around for a good scare story they
could use to create global goevernance and carry
out the redistribution of wealth from the rich,
democratic western nations to the hopelessly
socialist, undemocratic third world.
Regards * Bonz0

Not only are you a dittohead parrot, you are
crazier than a bedbug.
...is that a redundant statement?

"The environmental movement is funded by the Commies!"
* --popular radio clown and dope addict Rush Limbaugh

... the Soviet Union collapsed, and Republicans were
out of a job, without something to fear or hate
they are nothing. *Everybody knew this. *For this
reason Limbaugh hated Gorbechev, the man who set
the Commies free. Limbaugh
even had regular skits and "news" segments called
"Gorbasims," mocking how
the Media loved Gorby for doing that. The red birth mark
on his forehead was really a red map of Soviet expansionism
spreading accross Europe.
But it wasn't working. Then Limbaugh
came up with an idea to save The Party. *Rather than
fear the Russians, fear and hate Americans! *
American Liberals became the new Commies.

Republicans were back in business.

Never forget dittoheads, I know you
better than you know yourself.
In part that's because I know the Drugster
better than he knows himself.

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_sea_level_rise

Funny GW denialists! *But who can blame them?
They're snorting a deadly mind-numbing cocktail of
Fox News and Rush Limbaugh!

Dear God, Please
Give America back to the decent folks, where manners, civility,
thoughtfulness, and common decency isn't called wimpish &
distainfully called "politically correct".

......... Truth is stranger than fiction:
USA Today/Gallup poll - LIMBAUGH is the REPUBLICAN LEADER !
*"Who speaks for the Republican party?"
RUSH LIMBAUGH... Both Repubs and Dems agree. Cheney is #2!
*-- only 7% of America is Favorable to Republicans

* *- If you scratch a cynic,
* *- you'll find a defeated idealist.

I think you might be unfair in lumping in all of the Republican Party
with the likes of Limbaugh. I think there are some Republicans who
can't stand the man, actually.

Your prayer to return America to "the decent folks, where manners,
civility,
thoughtfulness, and common decency isn't called wimpish" is probably useless, I expect.

American politics has often been nasty, unfair, demagogic and
disgusting - go back and read some of the history about the way
opposition newspapers characterized Lincoln and Jefferson, for
instance.

One thing that every intelligent GOP member should be hoping for,
however, is for a Republican Party where "thoughtfulness" is not
equated with wimpiness or treason or worse.

Limbaugh is nasty, racist, bullying and all the rest -- but what's
basically wrong with Limbaugh is that he's willing to promote bull****
and call it truth. And some Republicans are smart enough to know
this. John McCain and John Warner, for starters, are longtime GOP
statesmen who have often pilloried liberals and liberalism, but
they're lining up with the IPCC and not with Rush L on the question of
climate change.

Quite apart from Rush's bullying and racist persona, the man just
isn't telling his group of culturally conservative listeners the
truth. And in the long run, believing falsehoods is deadly for any
political movement.

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009, john fernbach said about:
HOW American Liberals became the new Commies.


On Oct 19, 8:01=A0pm, (Doug Bashford) wrote:
=A0On Mon, 19 Oct 2009, o bno
said about:
Explaining Science to a Global Warming Denialist



"Doug Bashford" =A0wrote...

global warming: Compact Oxford English
Dictionary
=A0. noun

........snip



... the Soviet Union collapsed and the desperate
commo's looked around for a good scare story they
could use to create global goevernance and carry
out the redistribution of wealth from the rich,
democratic western nations to the hopelessly
socialist, undemocratic third world.
Regards =A0 Bonz0

Not only are you a dittohead parrot, you are
crazier than a bedbug.
...is that a redundant statement?

"The environmental movement is funded by the Commies!"
=A0 --popular radio clown and dope addict Rush Limbaugh

... the Soviet Union collapsed, and Republicans were
out of a job, without something to fear or hate
they are nothing. =A0Everybody knew this. =A0For this
reason Limbaugh hated Gorbechev, the man who set
the Commies free. Limbaugh
even had regular skits and "news" segments called
"Gorbasims," mocking how
the Media loved Gorby for doing that. The red birth mark
on his forehead was really a red map of Soviet expansionism
spreading accross Europe.
But it wasn't working. Then Limbaugh
came up with an idea to save The Party. =A0Rather than
fear the Russians, fear and hate Americans! =A0
American Liberals became the new Commies.

Republicans were back in business.

Never forget dittoheads, I know you
better than you know yourself.
In part that's because I know the Drugster
better than he knows himself.

=A0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_sea_level_rise

Funny GW denialists! =A0But who can blame them?
They're snorting a deadly mind-numbing cocktail of
Fox News and Rush Limbaugh!

Dear God, Please
Give America back to the decent folks, where manners, civility,
thoughtfulness, and common decency isn't called wimpish &
distainfully called "politically correct".

......... Truth is stranger than fiction:
USA Today/Gallup poll - LIMBAUGH is the REPUBLICAN LEADER !
=A0"Who speaks for the Republican party?"
RUSH LIMBAUGH... Both Repubs and Dems agree. Cheney is #2!
=A0-- only 7% of America is Favorable to Republicans

=A0 =A0- If you scratch a cynic,
=A0 =A0- you'll find a defeated idealist.

I think you might be unfair in lumping in all of the Republican Party
with the likes of Limbaugh. I think there are some Republicans who
can't stand the man, actually.

Yes, I know one very well. He's also an ex-dottohead.
Finding out that Limbaugh is a compulsive liar has not
been good for him. Very bad. Why? As I wrote in another thread:


So that kind of leaves you with some variation of Rush Limbaugh's
Great Evil Liberal Conspiracy Plot (GELCP) which claims that
all input from reality, - including Media, Academia, Science,
encyclopedias and office water cooler chit-chat -- is part
of, or victim of, this GELCP. Most of the Right Wing television
"news" and radio fear-talk shows have copied this; and their
audiences have fallen for it, - I call it the Great De-education
of America. (Once in a political debate, I tried handing a
relative a TIME magazine. She reflexively recoiled away as if I
was handing her a red hot poker! )
It's really quite brilliant in that it fully isolates
Republicans from reality and any outside challenging concepts.
(These are Evil.) They come to believe that Truth is unfindable,
and seemingly that reality is all a matter of (political)
opinion, so why not go with the soundsgood-feelsgood version?

He had bought into all that then found out Limbaugh was a liar.
His once source to "reality" cut off. But he still couldn't
unlearn (or see?) all the lies, the way his thinking had been
changed. So he was left distrusting EVERYTHING. He now has
corrisive cynicism and political apathy, - cut off.
Even a Republican who now hates Republicanism could
never consider turning Dem, his one salvation I think.

BTW, IMO the Great De-education of America is by far
Limbaugh's worst crime. If it reaches cultural
tipping point, it could signal a new Dark Ages.
I'd hang him in a second for that. It's HUGE.
America has changed, I disagree when you suggest
it's history rerunning. THIS particular thing
is new.

Also, it seems friends didn't alight according to party.
Now it seems they do. I suspect mixed social cocktail parties
are rare, but mostly associated with business or other
externality.


Your prayer to return America to "the decent folks, where manners,
civility,
thoughtfulness, and common decency isn't called wimpish" is probably usel=
ess, I expect.

From the trends, I agree. Things seem to be getting worse.
War hero John Kerry (silver star) was a card carrying wind
surfing, cheese eating, wine sipper. Nuthin like Larry "Armpits"
the Cable Guy, the perfect Republican! (so the politicians act)
And much to our reliefe we discover Gen Patton didn't carry wimpy
pearl pistols, they were ivory. [spit]

American politics has often been nasty, unfair, demagogic and
disgusting - go back and read some of the history about the way
opposition newspapers characterized Lincoln and Jefferson, for
instance.

I could be wrong, but it seems like those guys were
off in the distance, ex cathedra. It's moved to the
dinner table. Limbaugh &Co is holding the Vietnam/60's
wound open and it's festering.


One thing that every intelligent GOP member should be hoping for,
however, is for a Republican Party where "thoughtfulness" is not
equated with wimpiness or treason or worse.

Yes. It seems like people once strived to be MORE civilized.
Now it's hip to be "politically uncorrect." As in being
an asshole.


Limbaugh is nasty, racist, bullying and all the rest -- but what's
basically wrong with Limbaugh is that he's willing to promote bull****
and call it truth. And some Republicans are smart enough to know
this. John McCain and John Warner, for starters, are longtime GOP
statesmen who have often pilloried liberals and liberalism, but
they're lining up with the IPCC and not with Rush L on the question of
climate change.

Yeah, McCain is old school. Decent.

Quite apart from Rush's bullying and racist persona, the man just
isn't telling his group of culturally conservative listeners the
truth. And in the long run, believing falsehoods is deadly for any
political movement.

Actually lies are at the root of Conservative philosophy.
Check it out:

Doug Bashford replied to alanmc95 on
Oct 17, 1:21 am
Subject: Global Warming Denialism? ........
or is it Creation Science?

If ya wanna find out what makes the Conservative movement
tick, ya hafta look at what the fear-talk show hosts are hiding.
....the minds of the founding fathers of Conservatism.
Cuz they sure don't want their dittoheads to find out!

Edmund Burke (1729 – 1797)
Leo Strauss (1899 – 1973)
Russell Kirk (1918 – 1994)

They dislike and distrust the majority, the individual,
individual thought, democracy, free speech, civil
liberties, equality, and so forth. They believe an
elite government (money, or class) should lie to the
people for their own good, pitch religion to control
them even if one is not a believer, and so forth....
(Most of that is quasi-covertly there on the Limbaugh Show.)

Bush's thrice-stated "joking" remark:
"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier,
just as long as I'm the dictator."

One can see why they sure don't want their blind dittoheads
to find out!

Unbelievable? Exageration? Check it out.
Edmund Burke (1729 – 1797)
Leo Strauss (1899 – 1973)
Russell Kirk (1918 – 1994)



- If you scratch a cynic,
- you'll find a defeated idealist.

Doug Bashford wrote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009, john fernbach said about:
HOW American Liberals became the new Commies.

I couldn't disagree more with you and John Fernbach.

While racism is a normal thing with some people, I have found there is much more on the democratic side of the fence. The libs went out of their way to hound Trent Lott out of the picture while painting a former KKK member in the senate as a fine gentleman. The fact that he still uses the N word makes no difference to them. They will lie and tell you it's all in the past. At the same time, they are notorius for race baiting and love it when people of color hurl charges at republicans. People like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have made a good living at it and it's been just fine with democrats until the shoe is on the other foot.

As to Rush Limbo, you both seem to think if someone has a same idea that he does, they are automatically tagged as a dittohead. I would say to you that there are more libs tuning him in if only to look for stuff to turn against he and his listeners. As an independent I have listened to him many times and just like any liberal slant that is obvious, it's very easy to see any conservative slant from him. If either of you cannot distiguish these leanings from either side, I suggest you are not worthy to get any news or commentary at all. You are too biased when you only hear what you enjoy hearing rather than dissecting what it said, how it was said, why it was said to the audience it was said to.

The vast right wing conspiracy now seems to have a counterpart in your left wing conspiracy. Who knows? Maybe both are true but anyone who keeps harping about either one of them are died in the wool republicans and democrats and bring it up any time it makes a good sound bite. IOW, the truth is irrelevant. They just have to win this point. Pathetic.

The original story of the Soviet Union falling was said to leave a lot of activists with nowhere to go. They chose the enviro movement. Now the story has been modified to say republicans no longer had a fear motive. That's tit for tat in the political world and makes a good sound bite too. Even if either is true, it remains just that. Another point.

The constant name calling here and claim of name calling of communists, Nazis, fascists usually spaws a side debate about why one thought is more communist than fascist, Nazi like more than liberal, communist rather than conservative. These are mere semantics which most here particpate in. The outcome of such ideaology is still control of the populace, constant indoctrination instead of education and loyal acceptance while pointing out other's stubborness to conform. These are losses of liberties. 1984 has come and gone but the dream lives on.

Indoctrination only occurs when the other side does it. The rest is educating the public.

JMHO