Listen the deranged Mann justify interfering in peer review, and claiming the hack was organized by
evil forces. Mikey is criminally insane, he should be stripped of his degrees.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1259...Tabs%3Darticle

By KEITH JOHNSON and GAUTAM NAIK

Congressional Republicans have started investigating climate scientists whose hacked emails suggest
they tried to squelch dissenting views about global warming.

An aide to Rep. Darrell Issa (R., Calif.), the ranking member of the House Committee on Oversight
and Government Reform, said investigators are studying the documents, which unknown hackers stole
last week from the computer of a prominent British climate-research center.

Investigators are focusing on the correspondence of White House Science Adviser John Holdren, he
said. Mr. Holdren, a point man for the Obama administration on climate change, sent one of the
hacked emails. In the 2003 email, Dr. Holdren, then at the Woods Hole Research Center in Woods
Hole, Mass., defended research by Michael Mann of Pennsylvania State University, a scientist who
believes global warming is man-made and who also sent some of the hacked emails.

On Monday, Dr. Holden said: "I'm happy to stand by my contribution to this exchange. I think
anybody who reads what I wrote in its entirety will find it a serious and balanced treatment of the
question of 'burden of proof' in situations where science germane to public policy is in dispute."

The aide said investigators are also probing the contributions of dozens of climate scientists to
reports published by the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The
Environmental Protection Agency, in its recent move to boost regulation of greenhouse gases, based
its conclusions on IPCC reports.

The IPCC has said the climate is heating up and humans are almost certainly to blame. Those who
disagree that the globe is warming, or on the cause or extent of any warming, complain that their
views have been excluded.

The documents, hacked from the Climatic Research Unit at East Anglia University in the U.K., show
that some climate researchers declined to share their data with fellow scientists, and sought to
keep researchers with dissenting views from publishing in leading scientific journals.

Separately, Sen. James Inhofe (R., Okla.), an outspoken critic of the view that humans are causing
global warming, said that in light of the emails, he will call for an investigation into the state
of climate science if the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works doesn't act soon.

Amid the furor over the released documents, more than two-dozen climate scientists will release a
report Tuesday arguing that the effects of man-made global warming have intensified in recent
years.

One of them is Dr. Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Penn State. In a 2003
response to an email complaining about a paper in the journal "Climate Research" which questioned
assertions that the 20th century was abnormally warm, Dr. Mann wrote, "I think we have to stop
considering 'Climate Research' as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage
our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this
journal."

Dr. Mann said Monday that he didn't think there was anything wrong in telling his colleagues that
"we shouldn't be publishing in a journal that's activist."

He also stressed that the illegal hacking of the emails was a "fairly well-organized and
orchestrated campaign" aimed at undermining the "the robust consensus about climate change" just
ahead of a major climate-change summit in Copenhagen.

Police in the U.K. are continuing to investigate the attack, and the university there said Monday
that it is conducting its own review.

Hans von Storch, editor at the time of "Climate Research," had his own objections to the paper
mentioned by Dr. Mann, and resigned shortly after it was published, citing a breakdown in the
peer-review process. But Dr. von Storch, now at the University of Hamburg's Meteorological
Institute, said Monday that the behavior outlined in the hacked emails went too far.

East Anglia researchers "violated a fundamental principle of science," he said, by refusing to
share data with other researchers. "They built a group to do gatekeeping, which is also totally
unacceptable," he added. "They play science as a power game."

-Guy Chazan contributed to this article.

On Nov 23, 9:49*pm, "Eric Gisin" wrote:
Listen the deranged Mann justify interfering in peer review, and claiming the hack was organized by
evil forces. Mikey is criminally insane, he should be stripped of his degrees.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1259...#articleTabs%3...

By KEITH JOHNSON and GAUTAM NAIK

Congressional Republicans have started investigating climate scientists whose hacked emails suggest
they tried to squelch dissenting views about global warming.

An aide to Rep. Darrell Issa (R., Calif.), the ranking member of the House Committee on Oversight
and Government Reform, said investigators are studying the documents, which unknown hackers stole
last week from the computer of a prominent British climate-research center.

On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:05:34 -0800 (PST), corncobb
wrote:

On Nov 23, 9:49Â*pm, "Eric Gisin" wrote:
Listen the deranged Mann justify interfering in peer review, and claiming the hack was organized by
evil forces. Mikey is criminally insane, he should be stripped of his degrees.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1259...#articleTabs%3...

By KEITH JOHNSON and GAUTAM NAIK

Congressional Republicans have started investigating climate scientists whose hacked emails suggest
they tried to squelch dissenting views about global warming.

An aide to Rep. Darrell Issa (R., Calif.), the ranking member of the House Committee on Oversight
and Government Reform, said investigators are studying the documents, which unknown hackers stole
last week from the computer of a prominent British climate-research center.

Investigators are focusing on the correspondence of White House Science Adviser John Holdren, he
said. Mr. Holdren, a point man for the Obama administration on climate change, sent one of the
hacked emails. In the 2003 email, Dr. Holdren, then at the Woods Hole Research Center in Woods
Hole, Mass., defended research by Michael Mann of Pennsylvania State University, a scientist who
believes global warming is man-made and who also sent some of the hacked emails.

On Monday, Dr. Holden said: "I'm happy to stand by my contribution to this exchange. I think
anybody who reads what I wrote in its entirety will find it a serious and balanced treatment of the
question of 'burden of proof' in situations where science germane to public policy is in dispute."

The aide said investigators are also probing the contributions of dozens of climate scientists to
reports published by the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The
Environmental Protection Agency, in its recent move to boost regulation of greenhouse gases, based
its conclusions on IPCC reports.

The IPCC has said the climate is heating up and humans are almost certainly to blame. Those who
disagree that the globe is warming, or on the cause or extent of any warming, complain that their
views have been excluded.

The documents, hacked from the Climatic Research Unit at East Anglia University in the U.K., show
that some climate researchers declined to share their data with fellow scientists, and sought to
keep researchers with dissenting views from publishing in leading scientific journals.

Separately, Sen. James Inhofe (R., Okla.), an outspoken critic of the view that humans are causing
global warming, said that in light of the emails, he will call for an investigation into the state
of climate science if the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works doesn't act soon.

Amid the furor over the released documents, more than two-dozen climate scientists will release a
report Tuesday arguing that the effects of man-made global warming have intensified in recent
years.

One of them is Dr. Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Penn State. In a 2003
response to an email complaining about a paper in the journal "Climate Research" which questioned
assertions that the 20th century was abnormally warm, Dr. Mann wrote, "I think we have to stop
considering 'Climate Research' as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage
our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this
journal."

Dr. Mann said Monday that he didn't think there was anything wrong in telling his colleagues that
"we shouldn't be publishing in a journal that's activist."

He also stressed that the illegal hacking of the emails was a "fairly well-organized and
orchestrated campaign" aimed at undermining the "the robust consensus about climate change" just
ahead of a major climate-change summit in Copenhagen.

Police in the U.K. are continuing to investigate the attack, and the university there said Monday
that it is conducting its own review.

Hans von Storch, editor at the time of "Climate Research," had his own objections to the paper
mentioned by Dr. Mann, and resigned shortly after it was published, citing a breakdown in the
peer-review process. But Dr. von Storch, now at the University of Hamburg's Meteorological
Institute, said Monday that the behavior outlined in the hacked emails went too far.

East Anglia researchers "violated a fundamental principle of science," he said, by refusing to
share data with other researchers. "They built a group to do gatekeeping, which is also totally
unacceptable," he added. "They play science as a power game."

-Guy Chazan contributed to this article.

The media should be rejoycing over the news that maybe the world is
not going to be in danger from global warming. Haven't heard a peep
out of ABC, NBC, CBS or CNN. Global Warming proponents now have the
credibility of ACORN. However all evidence to suggest that global
warming is caused by man is now unuseable. It cannot even be referred
to because of the admission of fraud. New studies must be started and
from an unbiased position, free of government influence. Anyway all
the millions of grant dollars should be refunded and the perpetrators
face criminal prosecution.
If anyone says Global Warming is caused by man, they cannot use any
evidence pre december 2009. Anyone who says global warming is not
caused by man, can no longer be called a crazie.


It would be ok to start keeping records beginning
in 1997, that seems to be when most of the bias data,
methods, units and hardware changes were completed
and the new list of weather stations used.

But it might be a good idea to do a study of
the Stevenson Screen design, maybe the same
construction with each covered with a mirror
would give a better reading, the thing looks
like a hot box as is, just when they began
being used might be interesting if compared
with the temperature record.

On Nov 23, 10:05*pm, corncobb wrote:
On Nov 23, 9:49*pm, "Eric Gisin" wrote:



Listen the deranged Mann justify interfering in peer review, and claiming the hack was organized by
evil forces. Mikey is criminally insane, he should be stripped of his degrees.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1259...#articleTabs%3...

By KEITH JOHNSON and GAUTAM NAIK

Congressional Republicans have started investigating climate scientists whose hacked emails suggest
they tried to squelch dissenting views about global warming.

An aide to Rep. Darrell Issa (R., Calif.), the ranking member of the House Committee on Oversight
and Government Reform, said investigators are studying the documents, which unknown hackers stole
last week from the computer of a prominent British climate-research center.

Investigators are focusing on the correspondence of White House Science Adviser John Holdren, he
said. Mr. Holdren, a point man for the Obama administration on climate change, sent one of the
hacked emails. In the 2003 email, Dr. Holdren, then at the Woods Hole Research Center in Woods
Hole, Mass., defended research by Michael Mann of Pennsylvania State University, a scientist who
believes global warming is man-made and who also sent some of the hacked emails.

On Monday, Dr. Holden said: "I'm happy to stand by my contribution to this exchange. I think
anybody who reads what I wrote in its entirety will find it a serious and balanced treatment of the
question of 'burden of proof' in situations where science germane to public policy is in dispute."

The aide said investigators are also probing the contributions of dozens of climate scientists to
reports published by the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The
Environmental Protection Agency, in its recent move to boost regulation of greenhouse gases, based
its conclusions on IPCC reports.

The IPCC has said the climate is heating up and humans are almost certainly to blame. Those who
disagree that the globe is warming, or on the cause or extent of any warming, complain that their
views have been excluded.

The documents, hacked from the Climatic Research Unit at East Anglia University in the U.K., show
that some climate researchers declined to share their data with fellow scientists, and sought to
keep researchers with dissenting views from publishing in leading scientific journals.

Separately, Sen. James Inhofe (R., Okla.), an outspoken critic of the view that humans are causing
global warming, said that in light of the emails, he will call for an investigation into the state
of climate science if the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works doesn't act soon.

Amid the furor over the released documents, more than two-dozen climate scientists will release a
report Tuesday arguing that the effects of man-made global warming have intensified in recent
years.

One of them is Dr. Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Penn State. In a 2003
response to an email complaining about a paper in the journal "Climate Research" which questioned
assertions that the 20th century was abnormally warm, Dr. Mann wrote, "I think we have to stop
considering 'Climate Research' as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage
our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this
journal."

Dr. Mann said Monday that he didn't think there was anything wrong in telling his colleagues that
"we shouldn't be publishing in a journal that's activist."

He also stressed that the illegal hacking of the emails was a "fairly well-organized and
orchestrated campaign" aimed at undermining the "the robust consensus about climate change" just
ahead of a major climate-change summit in Copenhagen.

Police in the U.K. are continuing to investigate the attack, and the university there said Monday
that it is conducting its own review.

Hans von Storch, editor at the time of "Climate Research," had his own objections to the paper
mentioned by Dr. Mann, and resigned shortly after it was published, citing a breakdown in the
peer-review process. But Dr. von Storch, now at the University of Hamburg's Meteorological
Institute, said Monday that the behavior outlined in the hacked emails went too far.

East Anglia researchers "violated a fundamental principle of science," he said, by refusing to
share data with other researchers. "They built a group to do gatekeeping, which is also totally
unacceptable," he added. "They play science as a power game."

-Guy Chazan contributed to this article.

The media should be rejoycing over the news that maybe the world is
not going to be in danger from global warming. Haven't heard a peep
out of ABC, NBC, CBS or CNN. Global Warming proponents now have the
credibility of ACORN. However all evidence to suggest that global
warming is caused by man is now unuseable. It cannot even be referred
to because of the admission of fraud. New studies must be started and
from an unbiased position, free of government influence. Anyway all
the millions of grant dollars should be refunded and the perpetrators
face criminal prosecution.
If anyone says Global Warming is caused by man, they cannot use any
evidence pre december 2009. Anyone who says global warming is not
caused by man, can no longer be called a crazie.

The emails are as far back as 1996. Everything out of the CRU since
then is highly suspect.

On Nov 23, 7:49*pm, "Eric Gisin" wrote:" He also
stressed that the illegal hacking of the emails was a "fairly well-
organized and orchestrated campaign" aimed at undermining the "the
robust consensus about climate change" just ahead of a major climate-
change summit in Copenhagen. Police in the U.K. are continuing to
investigate the attack, and the university there said Monday that it
is conducting its own review."

it called cyber-terrorism....

corncobb wrote:
On Nov 23, 9:49 pm, "Eric Gisin" wrote:
Listen the deranged Mann justify interfering in peer review, and
claiming the hack was organized by evil forces. Mikey is criminally
insane, he should be stripped of his degrees.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1259...#articleTabs%3...

By KEITH JOHNSON and GAUTAM NAIK

Congressional Republicans have started investigating climate
scientists whose hacked emails suggest they tried to squelch
dissenting views about global warming.

An aide to Rep. Darrell Issa (R., Calif.), the ranking member of the
House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, said
investigators are studying the documents, which unknown hackers
stole last week from the computer of a prominent British
climate-research center.

Investigators are focusing on the correspondence of White House
Science Adviser John Holdren, he said. Mr. Holdren, a point man for
the Obama administration on climate change, sent one of the hacked
emails. In the 2003 email, Dr. Holdren, then at the Woods Hole
Research Center in Woods Hole, Mass., defended research by Michael
Mann of Pennsylvania State University, a scientist who believes
global warming is man-made and who also sent some of the hacked
emails.

On Monday, Dr. Holden said: "I'm happy to stand by my contribution
to this exchange. I think anybody who reads what I wrote in its
entirety will find it a serious and balanced treatment of the
question of 'burden of proof' in situations where science germane to
public policy is in dispute."

The aide said investigators are also probing the contributions of
dozens of climate scientists to reports published by the United
Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The
Environmental Protection Agency, in its recent move to boost
regulation of greenhouse gases, based its conclusions on IPCC
reports.

The IPCC has said the climate is heating up and humans are almost
certainly to blame. Those who disagree that the globe is warming, or
on the cause or extent of any warming, complain that their views
have been excluded.

The documents, hacked from the Climatic Research Unit at East Anglia
University in the U.K., show that some climate researchers declined
to share their data with fellow scientists, and sought to keep
researchers with dissenting views from publishing in leading
scientific journals.

Separately, Sen. James Inhofe (R., Okla.), an outspoken critic of
the view that humans are causing global warming, said that in light
of the emails, he will call for an investigation into the state of
climate science if the Senate Committee on Environment and Public
Works doesn't act soon.

Amid the furor over the released documents, more than two-dozen
climate scientists will release a report Tuesday arguing that the
effects of man-made global warming have intensified in recent years.

One of them is Dr. Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center
at Penn State. In a 2003 response to an email complaining about a
paper in the journal "Climate Research" which questioned assertions
that the 20th century was abnormally warm, Dr. Mann wrote, "I think
we have to stop considering 'Climate Research' as a legitimate
peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in
the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite
papers in, this journal."

Dr. Mann said Monday that he didn't think there was anything wrong
in telling his colleagues that "we shouldn't be publishing in a
journal that's activist."

He also stressed that the illegal hacking of the emails was a
"fairly well-organized and orchestrated campaign" aimed at
undermining the "the robust consensus about climate change" just
ahead of a major climate-change summit in Copenhagen.

Police in the U.K. are continuing to investigate the attack, and the
university there said Monday that it is conducting its own review.

Hans von Storch, editor at the time of "Climate Research," had his
own objections to the paper mentioned by Dr. Mann, and resigned
shortly after it was published, citing a breakdown in the
peer-review process. But Dr. von Storch, now at the University of
Hamburg's Meteorological Institute, said Monday that the behavior
outlined in the hacked emails went too far.

East Anglia researchers "violated a fundamental principle of
science," he said, by refusing to share data with other researchers.
"They built a group to do gatekeeping, which is also totally
unacceptable," he added. "They play science as a power game."

-Guy Chazan contributed to this article.

The media should be rejoycing over the news that maybe the world is
not going to be in danger from global warming. Haven't heard a peep
out of ABC, NBC, CBS or CNN.

That's because so far no fraud has been found. All you have is theft.


Global Warming proponents now have the
credibility of ACORN. However all evidence to suggest that global
warming is caused by man is now unuseable. It cannot even be referred
to because of the admission of fraud. New studies must be started and
from an unbiased position, free of government influence. Anyway all
the millions of grant dollars should be refunded and the perpetrators
face criminal prosecution.
If anyone says Global Warming is caused by man, they cannot use any
evidence pre december 2009. Anyone who says global warming is not
caused by man, can no longer be called a crazie.

Made-up crazyassed crap, as usual for denialists with no evidence. lol

I M @ good guy wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:05:34 -0800 (PST), corncobb
wrote:

On Nov 23, 9:49 pm, "Eric Gisin" wrote:
Listen the deranged Mann justify interfering in peer review, and
claiming the hack was organized by evil forces. Mikey is criminally
insane, he should be stripped of his degrees.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1259...#articleTabs%3...

By KEITH JOHNSON and GAUTAM NAIK

Congressional Republicans have started investigating climate
scientists whose hacked emails suggest they tried to squelch
dissenting views about global warming.

An aide to Rep. Darrell Issa (R., Calif.), the ranking member of
the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, said
investigators are studying the documents, which unknown hackers
stole last week from the computer of a prominent British
climate-research center.

Investigators are focusing on the correspondence of White House
Science Adviser John Holdren, he said. Mr. Holdren, a point man for
the Obama administration on climate change, sent one of the hacked
emails. In the 2003 email, Dr. Holdren, then at the Woods Hole
Research Center in Woods Hole, Mass., defended research by Michael
Mann of Pennsylvania State University, a scientist who believes
global warming is man-made and who also sent some of the hacked
emails.

On Monday, Dr. Holden said: "I'm happy to stand by my contribution
to this exchange. I think anybody who reads what I wrote in its
entirety will find it a serious and balanced treatment of the
question of 'burden of proof' in situations where science germane
to public policy is in dispute."

The aide said investigators are also probing the contributions of
dozens of climate scientists to reports published by the United
Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The
Environmental Protection Agency, in its recent move to boost
regulation of greenhouse gases, based its conclusions on IPCC
reports.

The IPCC has said the climate is heating up and humans are almost
certainly to blame. Those who disagree that the globe is warming,
or on the cause or extent of any warming, complain that their views
have been excluded.

The documents, hacked from the Climatic Research Unit at East
Anglia University in the U.K., show that some climate researchers
declined to share their data with fellow scientists, and sought to
keep researchers with dissenting views from publishing in leading
scientific journals.

Separately, Sen. James Inhofe (R., Okla.), an outspoken critic of
the view that humans are causing global warming, said that in light
of the emails, he will call for an investigation into the state of
climate science if the Senate Committee on Environment and Public
Works doesn't act soon.

Amid the furor over the released documents, more than two-dozen
climate scientists will release a report Tuesday arguing that the
effects of man-made global warming have intensified in recent years.

One of them is Dr. Mann, director of the Earth System Science
Center at Penn State. In a 2003 response to an email complaining
about a paper in the journal "Climate Research" which questioned
assertions that the 20th century was abnormally warm, Dr. Mann
wrote, "I think we have to stop considering 'Climate Research' as a
legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our
colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit
to, or cite papers in, this journal."

Dr. Mann said Monday that he didn't think there was anything wrong
in telling his colleagues that "we shouldn't be publishing in a
journal that's activist."

He also stressed that the illegal hacking of the emails was a
"fairly well-organized and orchestrated campaign" aimed at
undermining the "the robust consensus about climate change" just
ahead of a major climate-change summit in Copenhagen.

Police in the U.K. are continuing to investigate the attack, and
the university there said Monday that it is conducting its own
review.

Hans von Storch, editor at the time of "Climate Research," had his
own objections to the paper mentioned by Dr. Mann, and resigned
shortly after it was published, citing a breakdown in the
peer-review process. But Dr. von Storch, now at the University of
Hamburg's Meteorological Institute, said Monday that the behavior
outlined in the hacked emails went too far.

East Anglia researchers "violated a fundamental principle of
science," he said, by refusing to share data with other
researchers. "They built a group to do gatekeeping, which is also
totally unacceptable," he added. "They play science as a power
game."

-Guy Chazan contributed to this article.

The media should be rejoycing over the news that maybe the world is
not going to be in danger from global warming. Haven't heard a peep
out of ABC, NBC, CBS or CNN. Global Warming proponents now have the
credibility of ACORN. However all evidence to suggest that global
warming is caused by man is now unuseable. It cannot even be referred
to because of the admission of fraud. New studies must be started and
from an unbiased position, free of government influence. Anyway all
the millions of grant dollars should be refunded and the perpetrators
face criminal prosecution.
If anyone says Global Warming is caused by man, they cannot use any
evidence pre december 2009. Anyone who says global warming is not
caused by man, can no longer be called a crazie.


It would be ok to start keeping records beginning
in 1997, that seems to be when most of the bias data,
methods, units and hardware changes were completed
and the new list of weather stations used.

Really? Cite, please.