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Old November 28th 09, 01:34 AM posted to alt.global-warming,alt.politics.libertarian,sci.geo.meteorology,sci.skeptic
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Default Steve Milloy - "It's Time To Punish The Scientists With Long Prison Terms"

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As Robert Tracinski correctly notes, the Global Warming hoax is
the scandal of the century.


You seem to be making the allegation that somebody I never heard
of, whose name is "Robert Tracinski", has made reference to
something called "the Global Warming hoax", and specifically that
he has claimed it is "the scandal of the century". You seem to be
agreeing with his opinion on this matter.

Please define your terms:
- Identify this "Robert Tracinski" person. Provide photos of that
person, and photos+names of five people who know that person in
Real Life and are willing to testify as to his name+photo and
authorship of the opinion you cited. If IMDB or WikiPedia has
already collected some of this information, the corresponding
URL will suffice for that part of the information.
- Identify precisely what you mean by "the Global Warming hoax".
List the five most significant claims that have been made as
part of the alleged hoax, which you believe are false.

Next, please see TinyURL.Com/TruFut and tell me whether you like
the idea of such a truth-futures market. If you like the idea, please
proceed as follows:
- Go to TinyURL.Com/Portl1, create an account if you don't already
have one, log in, answer one Turing question to boost your
account balance over 6 seconds, click on link to surveys/polls,
and vote for the survey question of which feature you'd most
like to have installed in NewEco, by investing some of your
labor credit into that survey question (answer to the toplevel
meta-question of what survey question you'd like to answer).
- Log out, and then come back a day or two later to see how much
people have invested in various answers to the meta-question,
including the "what features" item. Click on it to see whether
it has been promoted to an actual survey question yet. If not,
answer another Turing question to get more funds, and invest
more of those funds into that "what features" item.
- When you see that "what features" has been upgraded to an actual
survey question, go into there and check whether truth futures
has been included as an answer. If not, please nominate it, then
come back in a day or two to see whether it's been approved.
- As soon as you see that truth futures is an approved answer for
"what features" question, withdraw your funds from toplevel
answer of "what features" and invest them instead in the "truth
futures" answer within the "what features" question. If you
want, you can answer more Turing questions to get more funds to
invest in "truth futures" answer.
- If enough people invest enough funds in "truth futures", then
I'll know you people really want me to go to the work to
implement it, and I'll spend some time doing that. As soon as
you see "truth futures" is up&running, then start proposing
claims to be evaluated, such as your specific claims about the
alleged "Global Warming hoax".

People should be investigated and prosecuted for perpetrating a
fraud so large it makes Bernie Madoff look like Santa Claus.


Actually the Santa Claus scam is about as big as the "diamonds are
a girl's best friend" scam, and over all time, either might
actually be larger than Bernie's Ponzi scam.

But in any case, what should be done is a matter of opinion rather
than fact, ehich is directly the purpose of surveys/polls. So
*already* you might if you choose nominate a question such as "what
should be done about Al Gore and other advocates of the idea of
Global Warming", and if I approve the question you would then be
able to vote (by labor-credit investments) on various answers you
propose, such as investigating and/or prosecuting them for criminal
fraud.

... Sen. James Inhofe (R., Okla.), an outspoken critic of the
view that humans are causing global warming,


Does he believe *all* global warming is caused by humans, or only
that a majority of it is, or only that *some* small part is?

Somebody said that currently we *should* be in a period of
increased glaciation, like the "little ice age" that occurred
400-300 years ago, and it's only our industrial pollution that is
warming us enough to avoid that kind of worldwide disaster. Do you
agree with that?

... the e-mails show CRU scientists conspiring to evade legal
requests, under the Freedom of Information Act, for their
underlying data.


Are you personally making that claim or not? Would you be willing
to make a wager (in the "truth futures" market I'm proposing for
NewEco) to support that claim, whereby you lose if that claim turns
out to be false, but you win if it turns out to be true?

So maybe it is time for people to start going to jail.


So now you are claiming to want immediate jail, without any
investigation or prosecution first, like the mad queen in Alice's
Adventures in Wonderland, "sentence first, trial later"?

By the way, I have several ideas how global warming can be reduced
and the effects of ice melting can be countered:

Convert half the sunlight falling on the Sahara desert to
electricity, the first part used locally to bootstrap the building
of infrastructure for building solar-electric facilities, then
eventually exporting surplus electricity to Europe and Africa.

Two primary methods are available, photo-voltaic cells (either
direct or by concentrating reflectors), and water boiling to steam
to drive turbines (either by water-boiler tower with
computer-controlled mirrors focussing sunlight on it, or by pipes
carrying fluid along focal point of parabolic-cylinder reflectors).

Also some solar energy can be used directly without conversion to
electricity, such as by focussing sunlight (reflected by
computer-controlled mirrors) onto sand to partially melt it and
thus fuse it into larger clumps that don't blow in the wind and
even fuse it into sheets of glass to use as walls of containers to
hold water in irrigated gardens/farms to prevent water from leaking
down to sand/ground. As a very first step, reflected sunlight can
be focussed on the top portion of the leading edge of an
approaching dune to fuse the sand to halt its progress and thus
build a windbreak.

Also, solar energy can be used to boil water in a heat exchanger to
desalinate and also effectively pump water upward from the
Mediterranean or Atlantic to the highest hills of the Sahara, after
which the water can flow downward to irrigate garden/farms.

Also, a low-tech way to reduce the extreme daytime temperature is
to set up mirrors to reflect incoming sunlight back into the sky,
in regions that don't have blowing sand/dunes or after the
sand/dunes have been controlled by heat-fusing. These can be crude
pieces of broken mirrors that would otherwise be recycled or
discarded, and don't need to be computer controlled, just put in
place once to face directly towards mid-day or early-afternoon sun
at equinox, hence reflect much light at all seasons and most of the
daytime.

Finally, the Sahara can be filled with fused-sand glass-bottom
ponds and swimming pools, with photo-voltaic or mirror-reflective
roofs, for aquaculture and/or recreation, to take so much water
from the oceans that sealevel actually drops back down to levels of
a few decades ago.

The Sahara can hold a *lot* of water, by combination of moist
topsoil and outright ponds/pools, if enough of the sunlight is
converted to electricity (or reflected back to space) that the
daytime temperature drops from 140-150F to a more comfortable
90-100F and covered ponds/pools are even cooler to reduce
evaporation. Also, the moisture from covered ponds/pools can be
passed through a reverse-flow heat exchanger to low temperature and
back again, removing almost all the water vapor, converted back to
liquid water, to replenish the ponds/pools, reducing to near zero
their continued need for incoming water. Thus almost all new water
pumped from Mediterranean or Atlantic will go to fill new
ponds/pools rather than continuously re-fill evaporating
ponds/pools.

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