Eric Gisin wrote:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6936289.ece

The great climate change science scandal
Leaked emails have revealed the unwillingness of climate change scientists to engage in a proper
debate with the sceptics who doubt global warming
Jonathan Leake, Environment Editor
[snip]

You cannot condemn a planet-wide multi-$trillion fraud just for its
being exposed. Bernie Madoff was exposed - but how much of the stolen
money was recovered? Piffle, bupkis, gornisht.

Do you propose confiscating Al Gore's Oscar and Nobel Prize, recinding
every doctoral thesis fabricating data in support of Global Warming,
and refunding every consumer's losses re the Carbon Tax on Everything
and Carbon Credit indulgences?

That is not very diverse of you. Uncle Al demands the fraud be
doubled, trebled, universally impressed by jackboote State compassion
until every productive citizen bursts or is lethaly exsanguinated.
Serves 'em right for stealing from the Officially Sad and their
advocates.

Who cares if it is true? I saw it on television.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm

Please send the following petition to your local news media:

"Climate-gate is a fiction invented by the global-warming denier
community because ample irrevocable independent scientific evidence
still speaks in favor of global warming. Climate-gate will not be able
to change this scientific evidence by creating a meaningless scandal
around a still perfectly valid temperature reconstruction graph
published many years ago."

Q

Uncle Al wrote:
Eric Gisin wrote:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6936289.ece

The great climate change science scandal
Leaked emails have revealed the unwillingness of climate change scientists to engage in a proper
debate with the sceptics who doubt global warming
Jonathan Leake, Environment Editor
[snip]

You cannot condemn a planet-wide multi-$trillion fraud just for its
being exposed. Bernie Madoff was exposed - but how much of the stolen
money was recovered? Piffle, bupkis, gornisht.

Do you propose confiscating Al Gore's Oscar and Nobel Prize, recinding
every doctoral thesis fabricating data in support of Global Warming,
and refunding every consumer's losses re the Carbon Tax on Everything
and Carbon Credit indulgences?

That is not very diverse of you. Uncle Al demands the fraud be
doubled, trebled, universally impressed by jackboote State compassion
until every productive citizen bursts or is lethaly exsanguinated.
Serves 'em right for stealing from the Officially Sad and their
advocates.

Who cares if it is true? I saw it on television.



--
.... Mike's Nature trick .. to hide the decline ...

"Professional data rigger" wrote in message
...
Please send the following petition to your local news media:

"Climate-gate is a fiction invented by the global-warming denier community
because ample irrevocable independent scientific evidence still speaks in
favor of global warming.


Oh really?



Would You Buy A Used Car From These So-Called "Scientists"?



Our gullible alarmist friends have obviously fallen for this scam hook,
line, and sinker!



First we had the IPCC report "The Science of Climate Change 1995", where
lead auther Benjamin D. Santer removed the following conclusions made by
genuine scientists, and without the scientists being made aware of this
change.



"None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can
attribute the observed climate changes to the specific cause of increases in
greenhouse gases."



"No study to date has positively attributed all or part [of the climate
change observed to date] to anthropogenic [man-made] causes."



"Any claims of positive detection of significant climate change are likely
to remain controversial until uncertainties in the total natural variability
of the climate system are reduced."



Then we have some choice quotes from so-called "consensus scientists".



"The two MMs [Canadian skeptics Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick] have been
after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom
of Information Act now in the UK, I think I'll delete the file rather than
send to anyone."

Phil Jones email, Feb 2 2005



"I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report, Kevin and
I will keep them out somehow, even if we have to redefine what the
peer-review literature is!"

Phil Jones Director, The CRU

[cutting skeptical scientists out of an official UN report]



"The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment,
and it is a travesty that we can't .there should be even more warming... the
data are surely wrong".

Kevin Trenberth, Climatologist, US Centre for Atmospheric Research



"...If anything, I would like to see the climate change happen, so the
science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences. This isn't
being political, it is being selfish. "

Phil Jones Director, The CRU



"We have to get rid of the Mediæval Warm Period" Confided to geophysicist
David Deming by the IPCC, 1995

[Many believe that man to be Jonathan Overpeck, which Prof. Deming didn't
deny in an email response, who would later also serve as an IPCC lead
author.]



"We have 25 years or so invested in the work. Why should I make the data
available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?"
Phil Jones Director, The CRU



"We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements,
and make little mention of any doubts we might have." Professor Stephen
Schneider



"Humans need a common motivation ... either a real one or else one invented
for the purpose. ... In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages,
famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by
human intervention so the real enemy then, is humanity itself." Club of Rome
declaration



"It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is
true.... You are what the media define you to be. Greenpeace became a myth
and fund generating machine." Paul Watson, Co-Founder Greenpeace, Forbes,
Nov. 1991



Now what conclusion would a rational and sceptical person come to?



Frederick Seitz, president emeritus of Rockefeller University and chairman
of the George C. Marshall Institute, summed it up nicely after seeing the
changes made to the IPCC report.



"In my more than 60 years as a member of the American scientific community,
including service as president of both the National Academy of Sciences and
the American Physical Society, I have never witnessed a more disturbing
corruption of the peer-review process than the events that led to this IPCC
report."







Warmest Regards



B0n oz



"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."

Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville