Rich wrote:
Chom Noamsky wrote in news:AthRm.54446$Db2.24614@edtnps83:

Last Post wrote:

The defying-common-sense part: They claim that no credible scientist
departs from the IPCC orthodoxy. Counter with some names — Richard
Lindzen, Fred Singer, William Gray, John Christy, Don Easterbrook,
Piers Corbyn, Roy Spencer, Pat Michaels, James O'Brien — and they
impugn their scientific credentials.
Let's demand that Richard Lindzen, Fred Singer, William Gray, John
Christy, Don Easterbrook, Piers Corbyn, Roy Spencer, Pat Michaels, James
O'Brien publish their e-mail archives for the last ten years and we'll
find out.


You can bet once the CRU disgrace hit the internet, frantic global warmers
the World over were editing their Outlook archives with a vengence. This
is the problem with the global warmers, people have long pointed out the
weaknesses in the science the scientific methods as they applied them, now
we see that they couldn't even con themselves!

I don't need the CRU or science... I just look out my window at the bare
slopes of the community ski hill and the dead pine trees everywhere.

aracari wrote:
'Chom Noamsky' wrote thus:

Rich wrote:
You can bet once the CRU disgrace hit the internet, frantic global warmers
the World over were editing their Outlook archives with a vengence. This
is the problem with the global warmers, people have long pointed out the
weaknesses in the science the scientific methods as they applied them, now
we see that they couldn't even con themselves!


I don't need the CRU or science... I just look out my window at the bare
slopes of the community ski hill and the dead pine trees everywhere.

That doesn't prove man-made global warming/climate change.


Weedkiller more probably.

R

aracari wrote:
'Chom Noamsky' wrote thus:

Rich wrote:
You can bet once the CRU disgrace hit the internet, frantic global warmers
the World over were editing their Outlook archives with a vengence. This
is the problem with the global warmers, people have long pointed out the
weaknesses in the science the scientific methods as they applied them, now
we see that they couldn't even con themselves!


I don't need the CRU or science... I just look out my window at the bare
slopes of the community ski hill and the dead pine trees everywhere.

That doesn't prove man-made global warming/climate change.

Along with the evidence I can see out my own window, I can go over to
the Rockies and look at the retreating glaciers. I can talk to my
construction buddy in Nunavut who reports they have to sink piles deeper
into the ground now because the permafrost is retreating. Another buddy
in Yellowknife tells me the ice roads are opening later and closing sooner.

I suspect the people who think GW is a myth live in protected urban
environments where the evidence just isn't visible. People who are in
tune with their natural surroundings tend to be a lot more observant and
aware of changes in the environment.

It doesn't prove man-made global warming, but if the research data
DIDN'T show an upward trend in global temperatures, THAT would be a true
scandal. The warming is a fact and nobody has yet been able to show the
warming is due to strictly natural phenomena. The "disgraced CRU" is
but one research organization of many that have INDEPENDENTLY come to
this conclusion.

All this willful denial and ignorance can only be from shut-ins who
don't get out in the world much.

On Dec 1, 7:55*pm, Chom Noamsky wrote:
Rich wrote:
Chom Noamsky wrote innews:AthRm.54446$Db2.24614@edtnps83:

Last Post wrote:

The defying-common-sense part: They claim that no credible scientist
departs from the IPCC orthodoxy. Counter with some names — Richard
Lindzen, Fred Singer, William Gray, John Christy, Don Easterbrook,
Piers Corbyn, Roy Spencer, Pat Michaels, James O'Brien — and they
impugn their scientific credentials.
Let's demand that Richard Lindzen, Fred Singer, William Gray, John
Christy, Don Easterbrook, Piers Corbyn, Roy Spencer, Pat Michaels, James
O'Brien publish their e-mail archives for the last ten years and we'll
find out.

You can bet once the CRU disgrace hit the internet, frantic global warmers
the World over were editing their Outlook archives with a vengence. *This
is the problem with the global warmers, people have long pointed out the
weaknesses in the science the scientific methods as they applied them, now
we see that they couldn't even con themselves!

I don't need the CRU or science... I just look out my window at the bare
slopes of the community ski hill and the dead pine trees everywhere.

And the Northeastern U.S. has experienced 4 of the coldest summers on
record. But I thought all that regional stuff was just "weather?"

Liberals are vermin wrote:
On Dec 1, 7:55 pm, Chom Noamsky wrote:
Rich wrote:
Chom Noamsky wrote innews:AthRm.54446$Db2.24614@edtnps83:
Last Post wrote:
The defying-common-sense part: They claim that no credible scientist
departs from the IPCC orthodoxy. Counter with some names — Richard
Lindzen, Fred Singer, William Gray, John Christy, Don Easterbrook,
Piers Corbyn, Roy Spencer, Pat Michaels, James O'Brien — and they
impugn their scientific credentials.
Let's demand that Richard Lindzen, Fred Singer, William Gray, John
Christy, Don Easterbrook, Piers Corbyn, Roy Spencer, Pat Michaels, James
O'Brien publish their e-mail archives for the last ten years and we'll
find out.
You can bet once the CRU disgrace hit the internet, frantic global warmers
the World over were editing their Outlook archives with a vengence. This
is the problem with the global warmers, people have long pointed out the
weaknesses in the science the scientific methods as they applied them, now
we see that they couldn't even con themselves!
I don't need the CRU or science... I just look out my window at the bare
slopes of the community ski hill and the dead pine trees everywhere.

And the Northeastern U.S. has experienced 4 of the coldest summers on
record. But I thought all that regional stuff was just "weather?"

An unusual phenomena that carries on for two decades (and still going)
isn't weather.

On 12/2/09 12:15 AM, * Liberals are vermin wrote:
On Dec 1, 7:55 pm, Chom Noamsky wrote:
Rich wrote:
Chom Noamsky wrote innews:AthRm.54446$Db2.24614@edtnps83:
Last Post wrote:
The defying-common-sense part: They claim that no credible scientist
departs from the IPCC orthodoxy. Counter with some names — Richard
Lindzen, Fred Singer, William Gray, John Christy, Don Easterbrook,
Piers Corbyn, Roy Spencer, Pat Michaels, James O'Brien — and they
impugn their scientific credentials.
Let's demand that Richard Lindzen, Fred Singer, William Gray, John
Christy, Don Easterbrook, Piers Corbyn, Roy Spencer, Pat Michaels, James
O'Brien publish their e-mail archives for the last ten years and we'll
find out.
You can bet once the CRU disgrace hit the internet, frantic global warmers
the World over were editing their Outlook archives with a vengence. This
is the problem with the global warmers, people have long pointed out the
weaknesses in the science the scientific methods as they applied them, now
we see that they couldn't even con themselves!
I don't need the CRU or science... I just look out my window at the bare
slopes of the community ski hill and the dead pine trees everywhere.

And the Northeastern U.S. has experienced 4 of the coldest summers on
record. But I thought all that regional stuff was just "weather?"

Yeah, it is. Global temperatures are still rising.

Jeez, this should be easy even for you guys by now.

--
"I do not pretend to be able to prove that there
is no God. I equally cannot
prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god
may exist; so may the gods of
Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But
no one of these hypotheses is
more probable than any other: they lie outside the
region of even probable
knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to
consider any of them."
-Bertrand Russell

Chom Noamsky wrote:
aracari wrote:
'Chom Noamsky' wrote thus:

Rich wrote:
You can bet once the CRU disgrace hit the internet, frantic global
warmers the World over were editing their Outlook archives with a
vengence. This is the problem with the global warmers, people have
long pointed out the weaknesses in the science the scientific
methods as they applied them, now we see that they couldn't even con
themselves!


I don't need the CRU or science... I just look out my window at the
bare slopes of the community ski hill and the dead pine trees
everywhere.

That doesn't prove man-made global warming/climate change.

Along with the evidence I can see out my own window,


I suspect a man could have said something similar watching
the last glacial retreat up Britain, then turn to his mate
saying, damn coal fired power stations.