Arthur Brain wrote:
On Dec 10, 3:22 pm, "o nb o" wrote:
So Easy A 6th Grader Can Do It!

How many 6th-graders publishing in Nature, Bozo?


One of the fall-outs from the exposure of the emails referring to a
'trick' and 'hiding the decline' is ipso-facto proof that Nature either
did not peer-review the articles or the peer-review process was flawed.
(No-one could possibly have repeated experiments with non-existent data)

The sad aspect of this fraud is that 'climate change' will no longer be
taken seriously - when it is most important that we *do* take seriously
our impact on the earth.

The only way out is to disbarr Jones, Mann and the rest of them and kick
out the politicians who fell for this garbage.

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:23:38 +1100, B J Foster
wrote:

Arthur Brain wrote:
On Dec 10, 3:22 pm, "o nb o" wrote:
So Easy A 6th Grader Can Do It!

How many 6th-graders publishing in Nature, Bozo?


One of the fall-outs from the exposure of the emails referring to a
'trick' and 'hiding the decline' is ipso-facto proof that Nature either
did not peer-review the articles or the peer-review process was flawed.
(No-one could possibly have repeated experiments with non-existent data)

That is incorrect.

The reason is that independent repetition of experiments requires
other research groups to independently collect THEIR OWN RAW DATA.

As it happens, CRU's results have been independently reproduced by the
following groups:

The National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) of the National Oceanographic
and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) in Asheville, NC, USA.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/...ies/index.html

The Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS), part of the National
Aeronautic and Space Administration (NASA) in New York.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

Incidentally GISS seems to be making its data and computer programs
publically available.

Quote from:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

Start extract

Programs used in the GISTEMP analysis and documentation on their use
are available for download. The programs assume a Unix-like operating
system and require familiarity with FORTRAN, C and Python for
installation and use.

snip

Table Data: Global and Zonal Mean Anomalies dTs

Plain text files in tabular format of temperature anomalies. Anomaly
values indicate the difference from the corresponding 1951-1980 means.

* Global-mean monthly, annual and seasonal dTs based on met.station data, 1880-present, updated through most recent month
* Northern Hemisphere-mean monthly, annual and seasonal dTs based on met.station data, 1880-present, updated through most recent month
* Southern Hemisphere-mean monthly, annual and seasonal dTs based on met.station data, 1880-present, updated through most recent month
* Global-mean monthly, annual and seasonal land-ocean temperature index, 1880-present, updated through most recent month
* Northern Hemisphere-mean monthly, annual and seasonal land-ocean temperature index, 1880-present, updated through most recent month
* Southern Hemisphere-mean monthly, annual and seasonal land-ocean temperature index, 1880-present, updated through most recent month
* Zonal-mean annual dTs, 1880-present, updated through most recent complete calendar year
* Zonal-mean annual land-ocean temperature index, 1880-present, updated through most recent completed year

End extract

Surfer wrote:
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:23:38 +1100, B J Foster
wrote:

Arthur Brain wrote:
On Dec 10, 3:22 pm, "o nb o" wrote:
So Easy A 6th Grader Can Do It!
How many 6th-graders publishing in Nature, Bozo?

One of the fall-outs from the exposure of the emails referring to a
'trick' and 'hiding the decline' is ipso-facto proof that Nature either
did not peer-review the articles or the peer-review process was flawed.
(No-one could possibly have repeated experiments with non-existent data)

That is incorrect.

The reason is that independent repetition of experiments requires
other research groups to independently collect THEIR OWN RAW DATA.

As it happens, CRU's results have been independently reproduced by the
following groups:

The National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) of the National Oceanographic
and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) in Asheville, NC, USA.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/...ies/index.html

I looked for their raw data. I found this:
"The basic tenet of physical climate data management at NOAA is full and
open data access".
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/about/op...ata-policy.pdf

....yet...on the eve of the Copenhagen conference and in the midst of the
CRU controversy:

"Global Climate at a Glance
is undergoing maintenance to improve its function and update its data
feed. A timeline for its return will be posted on this page".
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/gcag/index.html
(no timeline posted)


The Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS), part of the National
Aeronautic and Space Administration (NASA) in New York.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

Incidentally GISS seems to be making its data and computer programs
publically available.


Sure - as well as the issues:
"As there are other potential sources of error, such as *urban*
*warming* near meteorological stations, etc., many other methods have
been used to verify the approximate magnitude of inferred global warming"


Quote from:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

Start extract

Programs used in the GISTEMP analysis and documentation on their use
are available for download. The programs assume a Unix-like operating
system and require familiarity with FORTRAN, C and Python for
installation and use.

snip

Table Data: Global and Zonal Mean Anomalies dTs

Plain text files in tabular format of temperature anomalies. Anomaly
values indicate the difference from the corresponding 1951-1980 means.

* Global-mean monthly, annual and seasonal dTs based on met.station data, 1880-present, updated through most recent month
* Northern Hemisphere-mean monthly, annual and seasonal dTs based on met.station data, 1880-present, updated through most recent month
* Southern Hemisphere-mean monthly, annual and seasonal dTs based on met.station data, 1880-present, updated through most recent month
* Global-mean monthly, annual and seasonal land-ocean temperature index, 1880-present, updated through most recent month
* Northern Hemisphere-mean monthly, annual and seasonal land-ocean temperature index, 1880-present, updated through most recent month
* Southern Hemisphere-mean monthly, annual and seasonal land-ocean temperature index, 1880-present, updated through most recent month
* Zonal-mean annual dTs, 1880-present, updated through most recent complete calendar year
* Zonal-mean annual land-ocean temperature index, 1880-present, updated through most recent completed year

End extract

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:53:48 +1030, Surfer wrote:

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:23:38 +1100, B J Foster
wrote:

Arthur Brain wrote:
On Dec 10, 3:22 pm, "o nb o" wrote:
So Easy A 6th Grader Can Do It!

How many 6th-graders publishing in Nature, Bozo?


One of the fall-outs from the exposure of the emails referring to a
'trick' and 'hiding the decline' is ipso-facto proof that Nature either
did not peer-review the articles or the peer-review process was flawed.
(No-one could possibly have repeated experiments with non-existent data)

That is incorrect.

The reason is that independent repetition of experiments requires other
research groups to independently collect THEIR OWN RAW DATA.

Nope, much research and claims made has been found to be false when the
experimental data was independently reviewed. Basic mathematical errors
do crop up and go unnoticed. Also successful complex calculations also
use formula that are grossly simplified for practical but many people
forget the core conditions that allow the simplifications and some
ignored factors turn out to be significant in the experiment.

B J Foster wrote:
Surfer wrote:
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:23:38 +1100, B J Foster
wrote:

....

...yet...on the eve of the Copenhagen conference and in the midst of the
CRU controversy:

"Global Climate at a Glance
is undergoing maintenance to improve its function and update its data
feed. A timeline for its return will be posted on this page".
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/gcag/index.html
(no timeline posted)


The data is still not there

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:10:22 +1100, B J Foster
wrote:

B J Foster wrote:
Surfer wrote:
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:23:38 +1100, B J Foster
wrote:

...

...yet...on the eve of the Copenhagen conference and in the midst of the
CRU controversy:

"Global Climate at a Glance
is undergoing maintenance to improve its function and update its data
feed. A timeline for its return will be posted on this page".
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/gcag/index.html
(no timeline posted)


The data is still not there

That is still the case.

However I used the [Search NCDC] tool to search for "download"

This gave links to numerous pages from which data, software or
documents could be downloaded.

Eg.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/vostokco2.html
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pdsidata.html
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/rsad/net...ex.php?name=d1
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/wct/batch.php