On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:26:46 -0500, I M @ good guy wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:09:29 -0600, Sam Wormley
wrote:

On 1/2/10 11:00 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 08:53:18 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

one big post hoc fallacy snipped

You know, real scientist try NOT to make a post hoc fallacy.

Columbus got the Indians to feed him and his crew by telling them that
if they didn't feed them, the gods would eat the moon. Columbus knew
from his ephemerids that there was going to be a lunar eclipse. The
Indians were totally fooled. "You're not feeding us, and the moon is
being eaten. Ergo, your not feeding us has caused the moon to be
eaten". Bad logic. Pity the Indians had never heard of logic.

Columbus might have died earlier had it been overcast during that
eclipse!


This is an example of what the AGWers are doing. Only since it's
pretty damned obvious that mean global temperature ISN'T increasing,
they now say that ANY CHANGE, up, down or sideways, is caused by man.

It is so damned stupid that it would be funny that anyone would even
utter such silliness, but people FALL for this foolishness.

Marvin, I think you are blinded by your biases. You can no longer be
objective and look at what the science is telling us. I want you to
start taking global climate change seriously--not that we are going
to be able to do much about it--but learn what is really taking place
on this planet.


Oh, Geez, now you are assigning projects?

Be careful, putting people in charge is
dangerous, they take the job seriously.

For a stupid git, Wormley sure is smug. I think he's just a troll.

On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:52:21 -0600, Marvin the Martian
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:04:50 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 1/2/10 9:44 AM, I M @ good guy wrote:

You are nuts, aren't you? :-)

Born out by the data:

Here's some data from Iowa State University
http://www.meteor.iastate.edu/facult...entations.html

More from University of Iowa

http://www.engineering.uiowa.edu/fac...directory/cee/
schnoor_j.php




Decreasing high temperatures during the daytime
and increasing low temperatures at night, how awful, how will you
survive?

After the summer of 1988, I embrace the cooler Iowa summers as a
result of global warming. And with close to 2 inched extra
precipitation per year, it's greener!

Okay... I just gotta killfile Wormley for awhile. I debunked his silly
websites over and over, and he just ignores it. Now "global warming"
means cooler climate.

I'm losing respect for Earthlings and general and I'm beginning to regard
Earthlings from the American midwest as brain damaged idiots no more
intelligent than the swine they raise. I gotta stop reading Wormley for
awhile.

Now look, Marvin, I am from the midwest, and
I know that GHGs are what cool the atmosphere, so
please don't make generalized slurs.

On 1/3/10 4:29 PM, I M @ good guy wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:52:21 -0600, Marvin the Martian


Okay... I just gotta killfile Wormley for awhile. I debunked his silly
websites over and over, and he just ignores it. Now "global warming"
means cooler climate.

I'm losing respect for Earthlings and general and I'm beginning to regard
Earthlings from the American midwest as brain damaged idiots no more
intelligent than the swine they raise. I gotta stop reading Wormley for
awhile.

Now look, Marvin, I am from the midwest, and
I know that GHGs are what cool the atmosphere, so
please don't make generalized slurs.


Marvin just needs to take a break. As for what role green house
gasses play in global climate and global climate change, we do
no agree.

I will continue to try to get the physics right when posting
in this physics newsgroup.

On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:29:13 -0500, I M @ good guy wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:52:21 -0600, Marvin the Martian
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:04:50 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 1/2/10 9:44 AM, I M @ good guy wrote:

You are nuts, aren't you? :-)

Born out by the data:

Here's some data from Iowa State University
http://www.meteor.iastate.edu/facult...entations.html

More from University of Iowa

http://www.engineering.uiowa.edu/fac...directory/cee/
schnoor_j.php




Decreasing high temperatures during the daytime
and increasing low temperatures at night, how awful, how will you
survive?

After the summer of 1988, I embrace the cooler Iowa summers as a
result of global warming. And with close to 2 inched extra
precipitation per year, it's greener!

Okay... I just gotta killfile Wormley for awhile. I debunked his silly
websites over and over, and he just ignores it. Now "global warming"
means cooler climate.

I'm losing respect for Earthlings and general and I'm beginning to
regard Earthlings from the American midwest as brain damaged idiots no
more intelligent than the swine they raise. I gotta stop reading Wormley
for awhile.

Now look, Marvin, I am from the midwest, and
I know that GHGs are what cool the atmosphere, so please don't make
generalized slurs.

I'm Sorry.

On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:26:41 -0600, Marvin the Martian
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:26:46 -0500, I M @ good guy wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:09:29 -0600, Sam Wormley
wrote:

On 1/2/10 11:00 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 08:53:18 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

one big post hoc fallacy snipped

You know, real scientist try NOT to make a post hoc fallacy.

Columbus got the Indians to feed him and his crew by telling them that
if they didn't feed them, the gods would eat the moon. Columbus knew
from his ephemerids that there was going to be a lunar eclipse. The
Indians were totally fooled. "You're not feeding us, and the moon is
being eaten. Ergo, your not feeding us has caused the moon to be
eaten". Bad logic. Pity the Indians had never heard of logic.

Columbus might have died earlier had it been overcast during that
eclipse!


This is an example of what the AGWers are doing. Only since it's
pretty damned obvious that mean global temperature ISN'T increasing,
they now say that ANY CHANGE, up, down or sideways, is caused by man.

It is so damned stupid that it would be funny that anyone would even
utter such silliness, but people FALL for this foolishness.

Marvin, I think you are blinded by your biases. You can no longer be
objective and look at what the science is telling us. I want you to
start taking global climate change seriously--not that we are going
to be able to do much about it--but learn what is really taking place
on this planet.


Oh, Geez, now you are assigning projects?

Be careful, putting people in charge is
dangerous, they take the job seriously.

For a stupid git, Wormley sure is smug. I think he's just a troll.


I don't think so, he fell for the AGW line, felt
a compulsion to spread the word, had not used any
logic to evaluate the gossip factor in GHG theory,
but may be re-assessing the situation.

Take it easy on the AGW believers, they really
feel distraught when they realize how bad they
were snookered, the more education a person
has the more difficult it is to accept being wrong.

But no matter what effect CO2 has on climate,
the increasing atmospheric CO2 concentration is
a problem, although not as big a problem as the
finite supply of liquid fuels.

Everybody, even the most nutty AGW nut
should be praying that added CO2 is not causing
the present cold weather that seems to be most
of the Northern Hemisphere, it is not the coldest
by far, but the length of the cold snap could
break all records and cause severe financial
hardship, my water/sewer bill will at least
double for the month, and my heating bill
will not be lowered as I thought.

On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:38:20 -0600, Sam Wormley
wrote:

On 1/3/10 4:29 PM, I M @ good guy wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:52:21 -0600, Marvin the Martian


Okay... I just gotta killfile Wormley for awhile. I debunked his silly
websites over and over, and he just ignores it. Now "global warming"
means cooler climate.

I'm losing respect for Earthlings and general and I'm beginning to regard
Earthlings from the American midwest as brain damaged idiots no more
intelligent than the swine they raise. I gotta stop reading Wormley for
awhile.

Now look, Marvin, I am from the midwest, and
I know that GHGs are what cool the atmosphere, so
please don't make generalized slurs.


Marvin just needs to take a break. As for what role green house
gasses play in global climate and global climate change, we do
no agree.

I will continue to try to get the physics right when posting
in this physics newsgroup.


Well, I don't read or post in a physics newsgroup,
although I did in the same groups as you 8 or 10
years ago, but can't find a message where you argued
with me then.

Marvin is a little excited, I feel the same
way when I read some of the absolute BS written
about Global Warming and the underlying physics
of the atmosphere and thermal energy content
of the oceans, land and atmosphere.

You have the education to separate the BS
from the facts, I don't know why you don't do that,
even in grant supported literature discussions
there should be thankful acceptance of the
revelation of incorrect physics.

I don't think anybody should be posting
opinions about individuals involved in the
exposed emails, if the authorities don't
make proper investigations it could even
get worse.

What I really don't understand is the
failure to admit that the major role of all
GreenHouse Gases is to cool the atmosphere
with the water cycle providing most of the
self regulating mechanisms.

I was amazed when Marvin said Mars
has more CO2 than Earth, I didn't check
yet, but if that is true, what can that mean
to AGW?

I think the warmest year I experienced was
1982 in Austin, not the highest temperatures,
but the steady high 90s.

The hottest two week stretch with much
humidity was in 1964 in Pasadena when it
reached 112 every day for two weeks, that
forced me to give up sugar sweetened soft
drinks while working.

The 115 degrees in Las Vegas in the
summer of 1963 was a breeze, humidity
there then was still around one percent,
and just walking provided enough air
motion to cool the body, my grandmother's
house had a swamp cooler on the roof that
I cleaned the filter media in, it made quite
a difference in the house, but later on
A/C probably was needed as swamp coolers
do not work well in higher humidity.

I usually feel very uncomfortable when
I have corrected a teacher about something,
some really silly things can be perpetuated,
like one physics teacher was teaching that
a 3-4-5 triangle was a 30-60-90, he just
did not check it until I opened my big
mouth.

I am really concerned that the added
CO2 in the atmosphere could cause cooling
world wide, even if the Arctic experiences
spells of warming, ocean currents and
prevailing winds can cause anomalous
weather patterns if they change even
slightly.

I did get out of the house for an
hour or so yesterday and today, it got
up to 24 with sun late in the afternoon,
that is still below the normal low for
the date.

We have no snow cover here, that
has helped, but it may change this
week, it doesn't look good at all, and
any AGW hype is not appreciated.

On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 02:05:52 -0500, I M @ good guy wrote:


I was amazed when Marvin said Mars
has more CO2 than Earth, I didn't check yet, but if that is true, what
can that mean to AGW?

Mars has 0.6 to 1 KPa of CO2 atmosphere, and it is very cold.

Earth has a 101 kPa atmosphere, of which 0.04% is CO2, for a partial
pressure of 0.04 kPa. My planet is a frozen rock which frequency dips to
"dry ice" temperature. According to the CO2 theory, 1) we should be a
tropical paradise right now and 2) we Martians caused the CO2.

On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:47:57 -0600, Marvin the Martian
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 02:05:52 -0500, I M @ good guy wrote:

I was amazed when Marvin said Mars
has more CO2 than Earth, I didn't check yet, but if that is true, what
can that mean to AGW?

Mars has 0.6 to 1 KPa of CO2 atmosphere, and it is very cold.

Earth has a 101 kPa atmosphere, of which 0.04% is CO2, for a partial
pressure of 0.04 kPa. My planet is a frozen rock which frequency dips to
"dry ice" temperature. According to the CO2 theory, 1) we should be a
tropical paradise right now and 2) we Martians caused the CO2.


Marvin here on Earth we consider volume,
mass and density to be a measure of quantity,
not pressure.

On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:22:07 -0500, I M @ good guy wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:26:41 -0600, Marvin the Martian
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:26:46 -0500, I M @ good guy wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:09:29 -0600, Sam Wormley
wrote:

On 1/2/10 11:00 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 08:53:18 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

one big post hoc fallacy snipped

You know, real scientist try NOT to make a post hoc fallacy.

Columbus got the Indians to feed him and his crew by telling them
that if they didn't feed them, the gods would eat the moon. Columbus
knew from his ephemerids that there was going to be a lunar eclipse.
The Indians were totally fooled. "You're not feeding us, and the
moon is being eaten. Ergo, your not feeding us has caused the moon
to be eaten". Bad logic. Pity the Indians had never heard of logic.

Columbus might have died earlier had it been overcast during that
eclipse!


This is an example of what the AGWers are doing. Only since it's
pretty damned obvious that mean global temperature ISN'T increasing,
they now say that ANY CHANGE, up, down or sideways, is caused by
man.

It is so damned stupid that it would be funny that anyone would even
utter such silliness, but people FALL for this foolishness.

Marvin, I think you are blinded by your biases. You can no longer
be objective and look at what the science is telling us. I want you
to start taking global climate change seriously--not that we are
going to be able to do much about it--but learn what is really
taking place on this planet.


Oh, Geez, now you are assigning projects?

Be careful, putting people in charge is
dangerous, they take the job seriously.

For a stupid git, Wormley sure is smug. I think he's just a troll.


I don't think so, he fell for the AGW line, felt
a compulsion to spread the word, had not used any logic to evaluate the
gossip factor in GHG theory, but may be re-assessing the situation.

Take it easy on the AGW believers, they really
feel distraught when they realize how bad they were snookered, the more
education a person has the more difficult it is to accept being wrong.

But no matter what effect CO2 has on climate,
the increasing atmospheric CO2 concentration is a problem, although not
as big a problem as the finite supply of liquid fuels.

Everybody, even the most nutty AGW nut
should be praying that added CO2 is not causing the present cold weather
that seems to be most of the Northern Hemisphere, it is not the coldest
by far, but the length of the cold snap could break all records and
cause severe financial hardship, my water/sewer bill will at least
double for the month, and my heating bill will not be lowered as I
thought.

As Birdwell points out in his Hydroponic Greenhouse book, plants grow
better with higher concentrations of CO2. So much so that many
professional growers provide extra CO2 in their greenhouses.

I think the paper you cited says that ACCORDING TO A AGW MODEL, that CO2
should cause cooling, not warming. Keep in mind that is according to a
AGW model, and not anything akin to science.

On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 02:05:52 -0500, I M @ good guy wrote:
Well, I don't read or post in a physics newsgroup,
although I did in the same groups as you 8 or 10 years ago, but can't
find a message where you argued with me then.

Marvin is a little excited, I feel the same
way when I read some of the absolute BS written about Global Warming and
the underlying physics of the atmosphere and thermal energy content of
the oceans, land and atmosphere.

There is lots of BS in sci.physics. Most of it is just people with
damaged egos with a fantasy that they made a scientific discovery. Very
few are trying to bilk money out of people. That doesn't bother me. And
like some AGW frauds, they stick to their mantra regardless of the
arguments against them.

But the AGW fraud is damned near treason. The whole scam involves trying
to scare people into sending trillions of dollars in money and industry
to third world countries, mostly China. The ironic thing is, China
produces more CO2 than the US, and is increasing CO2 production at an
accelerating rate! Koyoto and Denmark both proposed solutions that didn't
lower CO2 production by one goddamned molecule... all their "solutions"
did is make Al Gore even richer and moved trillions of dollars out of the
US. It is economic war against the US and the weapons are fear and junk
science.

Yes, that DOES **** me off. I don't much like liars trying to sell out
the United States. That they use junk science just makes it even more
offensive.

By using this fraud and junk science, these *******s will try to dictate
how we can heat our homes (if at all), what kind of car we can drive (if
at all) and what we can eat. It is the work of draconian genocidal
tyrants who openly admit that they want to reduce the human population by
billions of people. Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot has nothing on these
AGW guys.