On 1/1/10 10:03 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:


We have a Fortran source code that is even COMMENTED that it is applying
a 'fudge factor' and there is no rational reason at all for it to be
there other than to support an argument that you know is false.

Why don't you post that FORTRAN Code (or a link to it) so we may
scrutinize.

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:28:54 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 12/31/09 4:16 PM, I M @ good guy wrote:


Really, I have been attending presentations
in college auditoriums and public halls since the 1940s, and Global
Warming or Climate Change is about the dumbest of all.

That make you one old fart, doesn't it!

Only one way to convince me, real easy,
just give me a year warmer than 1998.


Published in 2006
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/env...5_warmest.html


That "article" hides by not giving a reference. There is a "for more
information" that takes you to he
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2005/

Turns out that claim is from that Nazi Nutjob Hansen, who wants to charge
all "deniers" with crimes against humanity. The mans a raving loon.

And you know the data is utter bull**** because 1938 (aprox) was about as
warm as 1998, within a small fraction of a degree, and was probably the
warmest year of the 20th century. The real temperatures are hidden by
Hansen's bull**** "Global-Mean Surface Temperature Anomaly" parameter,
which is basically whatever the nutjob Hansen says it is.

You AGWers really must STOP using sources now debunked as utter
fabrications. That isn't going to work.

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:32:13 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 12/31/09 4:19 PM, Benj wrote:
On Dec 29, 8:05 pm, Sam wrote:
On 12/29/09 12:47 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
It is why physics hasn't moved much since the 1950s.

My, my, the color of your strips is showing, Marvin!

Tremendous discovery in physics, astronomy and the sciences since
the 1950s!

You bet. Like the "discovery" that CO2 is the "incontrovertible" cause
of global warming, that Evolution is "fact" not "theory", that theory
of uniformity is wrong and actually nobody ever really believed it,
that intelligence it determined by the size of the brain, that UFOs are
"mass hallucination" and that the earth is the ONLY planet in the
universe where life exists in any remarkable form. Sure, Sam, LOTS of
progress.



Glad you agree Benj...

Don't forget the solution to the solar neutrino problem, sequencing
of genomes, space telescopes, finding water lots of placed in the
solar system.

Data gathering is not science. Science is the development of new theories
proven to predict. In the first half of this century, that would include
Quantum mechanics, Relativity, relativistic quantum, and the physics of
transistors.

No theoretical developments on that scale have happened in the last half
of the 20th century.

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 00:41:56 +0100, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:

Marvin the Martian wrote:

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:10:47 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 12/30/09 4:47 PM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
Sam wrote:

On 12/30/09 10:45 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:48:40 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

Until a few dacades ago, Peter. The CO2 ain'y been this high
for 15,000,000 years!

Actually, he just debunked that. More fraud on the part of the AGW
advocates.


Marvin, you should invest in some glasses. As of March 2009,
carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere is at a concentration
of 387 ppm by volume and increasing at a rate of 1.7 ppm per
year.

Caused by what?
Evidence your claim. Here.

Btw, show me the data set for your 15 mio. years claim. Where is it?
And don't come up with Google now.
I want to see YOUR data set you are referring to.

As I told Marvin... the concentration and rate of increase in
concentration of CO2 is an observable, and undeniable observable.

As for the cause, there is more and more evidence suggesting that
human activity (deforestation, cement production, fossil fuel
burning) is a contributing factor.

Peter, why don't you take global climate change seriously?

A sane man, a rational man, would have discussed the correction to the
CO2 data that shows that our recent CO2 levels is NOT unusual.

Wormley, however, simply repeats the same sloped curve that the article
attacked, completely ignoring the entire issue, and throws in some
gratuitous irrelevant argumentum ad hominem.

Discussing this with him is pointless, IMHO. He doesn't listen and is
an endless source of smug assed yet mindless cut and paste repetitive
posts.

Seems to me he is trapped in a repetitive time warp.

I wonder if he even reads what's posted. I think he just goes by the name
of the poster, and then he does his cut and paste. He uses the same post
hoc argument using bogus "temperature anomalies" graphs over and over
even if you point out that his logic is invalid and his premises are
exposed as outright lies and fraud.

He seems to think there is some civic duty in science to believe in AGW
and advocate for it. No.

On 1/1/10 10:24 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:32:13 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 12/31/09 4:19 PM, Benj wrote:
On Dec 29, 8:05 pm, Sam wrote:
On 12/29/09 12:47 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
It is why physics hasn't moved much since the 1950s.

My, my, the color of your strips is showing, Marvin!

Tremendous discovery in physics, astronomy and the sciences since
the 1950s!

You bet. Like the "discovery" that CO2 is the "incontrovertible" cause
of global warming, that Evolution is "fact" not "theory", that theory
of uniformity is wrong and actually nobody ever really believed it,
that intelligence it determined by the size of the brain, that UFOs are
"mass hallucination" and that the earth is the ONLY planet in the
universe where life exists in any remarkable form. Sure, Sam, LOTS of
progress.



Glad you agree Benj...

Don't forget the solution to the solar neutrino problem, sequencing
of genomes, space telescopes, finding water lots of placed in the
solar system.

Data gathering is not science. Science is the development of new theories
proven to predict. In the first half of this century, that would include
Quantum mechanics, Relativity, relativistic quantum, and the physics of
transistors.

No theoretical developments on that scale have happened in the last half
of the 20th century.

Yup--general relativity, QCD, GED, etc. pretty much says it all. :-)
Nice that we agree!

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:09:28 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 1/1/10 10:03 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:


We have a Fortran source code that is even COMMENTED that it is
applying a 'fudge factor' and there is no rational reason at all for it
to be there other than to support an argument that you know is false.

Why don't you post that FORTRAN Code (or a link to it) so we may
scrutinize.

You won't scrutinize. You never have a critical eye. You just look at the
day and claim it is night. Those of us who CARE about science have
already looked at it and saw what a laughably outrageous piece of code it
was. They clearly didn't think anyone would ever look at it.

Just go away Wormely, You just didn't lose your credibility; you shot it,
poisoned it, ran a tank over it, fed it to a wood chipper and then fed it
to the pigs.

On 1/1/10 10:19 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:


You AGWers really must STOP using sources now debunked as utter
fabrications. That isn't going to work.

See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9ob9WdbXx0

On 1/1/10 10:19 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:


And you know the data is utter bull**** because 1938 (aprox) was about as
warm as 1998, within a small fraction of a degree, and was probably the
warmest year of the 20th century. The real temperatures are hidden by
Hansen's bull**** "Global-Mean Surface Temperature Anomaly" parameter,
which is basically whatever the nutjob Hansen says it is.

See:
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/200...aturesnoaa.gif

Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
Marvin the Martian wrote:

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:10:47 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 12/30/09 4:47 PM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
Sam wrote:

On 12/30/09 10:45 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:48:40 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

Until a few dacades ago, Peter. The CO2 ain'y been this high
for 15,000,000 years!
Actually, he just debunked that. More fraud on the part of the AGW
advocates.


Marvin, you should invest in some glasses. As of March 2009,
carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere is at a concentration of
387 ppm by volume and increasing at a rate of 1.7 ppm per year.
Caused by what?
Evidence your claim. Here.

Btw, show me the data set for your 15 mio. years claim. Where is it?
And don't come up with Google now.
I want to see YOUR data set you are referring to.
As I told Marvin... the concentration and rate of increase in
concentration of CO2 is an observable, and undeniable observable.

As for the cause, there is more and more evidence suggesting that
human activity (deforestation, cement production, fossil fuel
burning) is a contributing factor.

Peter, why don't you take global climate change seriously?
A sane man, a rational man, would have discussed the correction to the
CO2 data that shows that our recent CO2 levels is NOT unusual.

Wormley, however, simply repeats the same sloped curve that the article
attacked, completely ignoring the entire issue, and throws in some
gratuitous irrelevant argumentum ad hominem.

Discussing this with him is pointless, IMHO. He doesn't listen and is an
endless source of smug assed yet mindless cut and paste repetitive posts.

Seems to me he is trapped in a repetitive time warp.

It seems that Peter Muehlbauer is stiil completely nuts in 2010.

Q

--
Well, opinions are like assholes... everybody has one. -- Harry Callahan
http://tinyurl.com/m7m3qd

On 1/1/10 10:29 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:


I wonder if he even reads what's posted.

Climate Monitoring
http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-monitoring/index.php
http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/...ies/index.html