On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:58:54 -0600, Sam Wormley
wrote:

Scientific Evidence
Increasing Temperatures & Greenhouse Gases

http://www.whrc.org/resources/online...c_evidence.htm


That is a good link, it clearly shows the temperature
goes down as soon as the CO2 goes up.


http://www.whrc.org/resources/online...ngs_Anthro.jpg


Sam's better way to hide the decline, just stop at 2000.


http://www.whrc.org/resources/online...cings_Both.jpg


Gee, I wonder why the observation plot drops
below the models plot?

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:46:10 -0600, Sam Wormley
wrote:

On 1/1/10 12:36 PM, I M @ good guy wrote:


Until a climate writer begins a paper with
"GreenHouse Gases are what cool the atmosphere",
I will have no confidence in them knowing what
they write about.

Actually greenhouse gasses, by definition, "trap" heat
so the earth doesn't cool so much.


But you are not able to describe in your own
words exactly how they do this and where the
heat is stored, how much, for how long?

GHGs do not "trap" heat as well as nitrogen,
because nitrogen can only lose the heat in
molecular collisions, while GHGs can't keep
from losing it because they radiate LW Infra-Red.

Isn't this clear enough for a ninth grader,
and doesn't it suggest a different story is needed
about what GHGs do and how they do it?

I don't subscribe fully to how much thermal
transfer takes place due to convection or latent
heat as described by Bill Ward, but LWIR transfer
in the atmosphere is very short range except for
the 10 um window.

On 1/1/10 3:14 PM, I M @ good guy wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:46:10 -0600, Sam

Actually greenhouse gasses, by definition, "trap" heat
so the earth doesn't cool so much.


But you are not able to describe in your own
words exactly how they do this and where the
heat is stored, how much, for how long?


Here are some resources so that you may do a bit of self
education concerning the greenhouse gas effect.

Scientific Evidence - Increasing Temperatures & Greenhouse Gases

http://www.whrc.org/resources/online...c_evidence.htm

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

Proof of the Atmospheric Greenhouse Effect
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...802.4324v1.pdf

On Jan 1, 1:23*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 1/1/10 3:14 PM, I M @ good guy wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:46:10 -0600, Sam
* *Actually greenhouse gasses, by definition, "trap" heat
* *so the earth doesn't cool so much.

But you are not able to describe in your own
words exactly how they do this and where the
heat is stored, how much, for how long?

* *Here are some resources so that you may do a bit of self
* *education concerning the greenhouse gas effect.

* *Scientific Evidence - Increasing Temperatures & Greenhouse Gases

http://www.whrc.org/resources/online...ng_earth/scien...

* *The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect
* * *http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

* *Proof of the Atmospheric Greenhouse Effect
* * *http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...802.4324v1.pdf

Sam,

You have my deepest sympathy. I can't even imagine how frustrating it
must be to be so sure you are right and so completely unable to say
how or why.

On Dec 31 2009, 2:16*pm, "I M @ good guy" wrote:

* * * * Only one way to convince me, real easy,
just give me a year warmer than 1998.

2005.

2007.

Maybe 2009 - the numbers are not yet in.

On 1/1/10 4:03 PM, Claudius Denk wrote:
On Jan 1, 1:23 pm, Sam wrote:
On 1/1/10 3:14 PM, I M @ good guy wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:46:10 -0600, Sam
Actually greenhouse gasses, by definition, "trap" heat
so the earth doesn't cool so much.

But you are not able to describe in your own
words exactly how they do this and where the
heat is stored, how much, for how long?

Here are some resources so that you may do a bit of self
education concerning the greenhouse gas effect.

Scientific Evidence - Increasing Temperatures& Greenhouse Gases

http://www.whrc.org/resources/online...ng_earth/scien...

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

Proof of the Atmospheric Greenhouse Effect
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...802.4324v1.pdf

Sam,

You have my deepest sympathy. I can't even imagine how frustrating it
must be to be so sure you are right and so completely unable to say
how or why.

I, like anybody else, can be wrong... I'm just trying to get
folks to look at the science and the data.

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:23:42 -0600, Sam Wormley
wrote:

On 1/1/10 3:14 PM, I M @ good guy wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:46:10 -0600, Sam

Actually greenhouse gasses, by definition, "trap" heat
so the earth doesn't cool so much.


But you are not able to describe in your own
words exactly how they do this and where the
heat is stored, how much, for how long?


Here are some resources so that you may do a bit of self
education concerning the greenhouse gas effect.

Scientific Evidence - Increasing Temperatures & Greenhouse Gases

http://www.whrc.org/resources/online...c_evidence.htm

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

Proof of the Atmospheric Greenhouse Effect
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...802.4324v1.pdf


You first;

http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/794...8582859~db=all


:-)

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:38:32 -0600, Sam Wormley
wrote:

On 1/1/10 4:03 PM, Claudius Denk wrote:
On Jan 1, 1:23 pm, Sam wrote:
On 1/1/10 3:14 PM, I M @ good guy wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:46:10 -0600, Sam
Actually greenhouse gasses, by definition, "trap" heat
so the earth doesn't cool so much.

But you are not able to describe in your own
words exactly how they do this and where the
heat is stored, how much, for how long?

Here are some resources so that you may do a bit of self
education concerning the greenhouse gas effect.

Scientific Evidence - Increasing Temperatures& Greenhouse Gases

http://www.whrc.org/resources/online...ng_earth/scien...

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

Proof of the Atmospheric Greenhouse Effect
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...802.4324v1.pdf

Sam,

You have my deepest sympathy. I can't even imagine how frustrating it
must be to be so sure you are right and so completely unable to say
how or why.

I, like anybody else, can be wrong... I'm just trying to get
folks to look at the science and the data.


Don't you mean part of the science and data?

I have been trying for more than two years
to get people to see that GHGs are what cools the
atmosphere, and you dance around that and pretend
it isn't there.

Polly want a cracker?

On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:14:03 -0800 (PST), Richard Henry
wrote:

On Dec 31 2009, 2:16Â*pm, "I M @ good guy" wrote:

Â* Â* Â* Â* Only one way to convince me, real easy,
just give me a year warmer than 1998.

2005.

2007.

Maybe 2009 - the numbers are not yet in.


Dream on.

http://www.thegwpf.org/images/stories/HadCRUT3.jpg


I wish it would get warmer, cold and snow
can make it colder, and colder causes burning
more fossil fuel, so warming is good-good, win-win.

If the new literature that shows more CO2
cools the atmosphere is right, then what, reduce
fossil fuel use to prevent cooling?

On 1/1/10 8:54 PM, I M @ good guy wrote:

I have been trying for more than two years
to get people to see that GHGs are what cools the
atmosphere, and you dance around that and pretend
it isn't there.

Polly want a cracker?


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1. One who teaches or instructs; one whose business or occupation
is to instruct others; an instructor; a tutor.

2. A person having expert knowledge of one or more sciences,
especially a natural or physical science.

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