On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:48:40 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 12/29/09 12:59 PM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:


CO2 was always at about an average of 330 +/-40 ppmv over the last
400000 years.


Until a few dacades ago, Peter. The CO2 ain'y been this high for
15,000,000 years!

Actually, he just debunked that. More fraud on the part of the AGW
advocates.

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Last time carbon dioxide levels were this high: 15 million years ago,
scientists report

On 12/30/09 10:45 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:48:40 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

Until a few dacades ago, Peter. The CO2 ain'y been this high for
15,000,000 years!

Actually, he just debunked that. More fraud on the part of the AGW
advocates.


Marvin, you should invest in some glasses. As of March 2009,
carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere is at a concentration
of 387 ppm by volume and increasing at a rate of 1.7 ppm per
year.

On 12/30/09 4:47 PM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
Sam wrote:

On 12/30/09 10:45 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:48:40 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

Until a few dacades ago, Peter. The CO2 ain'y been this high for
15,000,000 years!

Actually, he just debunked that. More fraud on the part of the AGW
advocates.


Marvin, you should invest in some glasses. As of March 2009,
carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere is at a concentration
of 387 ppm by volume and increasing at a rate of 1.7 ppm per
year.

Caused by what?
Evidence your claim. Here.

Btw, show me the data set for your 15 mio. years claim.
Where is it?
And don't come up with Google now.
I want to see YOUR data set you are referring to.

As I told Marvin... the concentration and rate of increase
in concentration of CO2 is an observable, and undeniable
observable.

As for the cause, there is more and more evidence suggesting
that human activity (deforestation, cement production, fossil
fuel burning) is a contributing factor.

Peter, why don't you take global climate change seriously?

Sam Wormley wrote:
On 12/30/09 4:47 PM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
Sam wrote:

On 12/30/09 10:45 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:48:40 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

Until a few dacades ago, Peter. The CO2 ain'y been this high for
15,000,000 years!

Actually, he just debunked that. More fraud on the part of the AGW
advocates.


Marvin, you should invest in some glasses. As of March 2009,
carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere is at a concentration
of 387 ppm by volume and increasing at a rate of 1.7 ppm per
year.

Caused by what?
Evidence your claim. Here.

Btw, show me the data set for your 15 mio. years claim.
Where is it?
And don't come up with Google now.
I want to see YOUR data set you are referring to.

As I told Marvin... the concentration and rate of increase
in concentration of CO2 is an observable, and undeniable
observable.

As for the cause, there is more and more evidence suggesting
that human activity (deforestation, cement production, fossil
fuel burning) is a contributing factor.

Peter, why don't you take global climate change seriously?


Peter likes to generate a lot of noise, unable to accept any facts,
taken away by a crumbling right wing ideology.

Q

--
Well, opinions are like assholes... everybody has one. -- Harry Callahan
http://tinyurl.com/m7m3qd

On Dec 30, 6:27*pm, Rav1ng rabbit wrote:
Sam Wormley wrote:
On 12/30/09 4:47 PM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
Sam *wrote:

On 12/30/09 10:45 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:48:40 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

* * *Until a few dacades ago, Peter. The CO2 ain'y been this high for
* * *15,000,000 years!

Actually, he just debunked that. More fraud on the part of the AGW
advocates.

* * Marvin, you should invest in some glasses. As of March 2009,
* * carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere is at a concentration
* * of 387 ppm by volume and increasing at a rate of 1.7 ppm per
* * year.

Caused by what?
Evidence your claim. Here.

Btw, show me the data set for your 15 mio. years claim.
Where is it?
And don't come up with Google now.
I want to see YOUR data set you are referring to.

* As I told Marvin... the concentration and rate of increase
* in concentration of CO2 is an observable, and undeniable
* observable.

* As for the cause, there is more and more evidence suggesting
* that human activity (deforestation, cement production, fossil
* fuel burning) is a contributing factor.

* Peter, why don't you take global climate change seriously?

Peter likes to generate a lot of noise, unable to accept any facts,
taken away by a crumbling right wing ideology.

Q

--
Well, opinions are like assholes... everybody has one. -- Harry Callahanhttp://tinyurl.com/m7m3qd

For true crazy. Trust Leonard.


How many nutjobs are there in this newsgroup who are deniers? A
dozen tops? The ones who quote Lord Monckton as if he was The
Messiah. Or disgraced geography professor Tim Ball, who lies about
his credentials? Or known communist affiliate Martin Durkin, whose
video "The Global Warming Swindle" deliberately twisted the words of
legitimate climatologists? How about how, how the lies of the
deniers have repeatedly been debunked, but they incessantly repeat
them anyway?

How many support the idea of AGW and have a bona fide grasp on science
because they at least work in the field?

About 4 or 5.

Looks like the nutjobs quoting bloggers (opinion as fact) have the
consensus.

Time to call the governments in the world, time to summon the major
insurance companies, time to remind the Bush era US military that AGW
poses a threat to US national security!

Yes! Time to call the troops home! The global warming myth has been
disposed of!

Usenet is a magnet for kooks. And the kooks of denialism are all
right here in one tidy, little bundle.

Repeating their bull ****, ignoring debate by ignoring data.
Distorting data and being exposed.

Describing a felony theft of emails (by what appears to be Russian oil
interests) as a "great expose!" Saying that it definitively wipes
out decades of peer reviewed research. Claiming that there are "peer
reviewed" papers refuting global warming (that don't exist). And
again, quoting bloggers.

Then there's the threat to freedom! The big paranoid plot, never a
better reason to declare war on an entire aspect of science, by those
who know **** all about it and demonstrate so by tripping up at every
turn!

Did you hear that it's about the frequency of hurricanes now,
according to them. Not the intensity!

Better get your marching orders from "boob" or "bozo" or what ever he
calls himself in ten minutes.

Yeah! That's the ticket! He says it's not happening. Ten minutes
later he says that it's happening but it's the Sun's rays!
Then the next day he says that it's happening but it's natural. Then
he says that CO2 emissions are good for you! Then he eventually bows
to his Islamic masters and admits that he doesn't think that we could
do without them and their precious oil.

It's like a comic strip.

This newsgroup is just too funny.

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:27:00 +0100, Rav1ng rabbit
wrote:

Sam Wormley wrote:
On 12/30/09 4:47 PM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
Sam wrote:

On 12/30/09 10:45 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:48:40 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

Until a few dacades ago, Peter. The CO2 ain'y been this high for
15,000,000 years!

Actually, he just debunked that. More fraud on the part of the AGW
advocates.


Marvin, you should invest in some glasses. As of March 2009,
carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere is at a concentration
of 387 ppm by volume and increasing at a rate of 1.7 ppm per
year.

Caused by what?
Evidence your claim. Here.

Btw, show me the data set for your 15 mio. years claim.
Where is it?
And don't come up with Google now.
I want to see YOUR data set you are referring to.

As I told Marvin... the concentration and rate of increase
in concentration of CO2 is an observable, and undeniable
observable.

As for the cause, there is more and more evidence suggesting
that human activity (deforestation, cement production, fossil
fuel burning) is a contributing factor.

Peter, why don't you take global climate change seriously?


Peter likes to generate a lot of noise, unable to accept any facts,
taken away by a crumbling right wing ideology.

Q

The AGW nutcases are so far left they
think JFK was right wing.

Your posts are so perverted from reality,
I am sorry every time I read one instead of
deleting it unseen as I do the other nuts.

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:10:47 -0600, Sam Wormley
wrote:

On 12/30/09 4:47 PM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
Sam wrote:

On 12/30/09 10:45 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:48:40 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

Until a few dacades ago, Peter. The CO2 ain'y been this high for
15,000,000 years!

Actually, he just debunked that. More fraud on the part of the AGW
advocates.


Marvin, you should invest in some glasses. As of March 2009,
carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere is at a concentration
of 387 ppm by volume and increasing at a rate of 1.7 ppm per
year.

Caused by what?
Evidence your claim. Here.

Btw, show me the data set for your 15 mio. years claim.
Where is it?
And don't come up with Google now.
I want to see YOUR data set you are referring to.

As I told Marvin... the concentration and rate of increase
in concentration of CO2 is an observable, and undeniable
observable.

As for the cause, there is more and more evidence suggesting
that human activity (deforestation, cement production, fossil
fuel burning) is a contributing factor.

Peter, why don't you take global climate change seriously?


I take it seriously, but I don't have
to like the colder than normal weather
and the resulting bigger heating bills,
I even have to let faucets run when
the temperature goes 10 degrees
below normal.

Move about 800 miles east and
see how you like it, but wait till spring,
some of the roads may be closed.

On 12/30/09 8:31 PM, I M @ good guy wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:10:47 -0600, Sam
wrote:

On 12/30/09 4:47 PM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
Sam wrote:

On 12/30/09 10:45 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:48:40 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

Until a few dacades ago, Peter. The CO2 ain'y been this high for
15,000,000 years!

Actually, he just debunked that. More fraud on the part of the AGW
advocates.


Marvin, you should invest in some glasses. As of March 2009,
carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere is at a concentration
of 387 ppm by volume and increasing at a rate of 1.7 ppm per
year.

Caused by what?
Evidence your claim. Here.

Btw, show me the data set for your 15 mio. years claim.
Where is it?
And don't come up with Google now.
I want to see YOUR data set you are referring to.

As I told Marvin... the concentration and rate of increase
in concentration of CO2 is an observable, and undeniable
observable.

As for the cause, there is more and more evidence suggesting
that human activity (deforestation, cement production, fossil
fuel burning) is a contributing factor.

Peter, why don't you take global climate change seriously?


I take it seriously, but I don't have
to like the colder than normal weather
and the resulting bigger heating bills,
I even have to let faucets run when
the temperature goes 10 degrees
below normal.

Move about 800 miles east and
see how you like it, but wait till spring,
some of the roads may be closed.


You appear to easily confuse local weather and global climate.

Here is how to understand how AGW frauds think of "Climate" and "Weather".

Weather is what causes a lack of hurricane activity over the entire
season for several successive years when their climate prediction is for
many more than average and more powerful hurricanes.

Got it?

On 12/30/09 10:09 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
Here is how to understand how AGW frauds think of "Climate" and "Weather".

Weather is what causes a lack of hurricane activity over the entire
season for several successive years when their climate prediction is for
many more than average and more powerful hurricanes.

Got it?


Try not to be so stooooopid, Marvin. Instead, try taking climate
change a bit more seriously.

CO2 increase, Global Temperature increase, Sea Level
increase, are all consistent with each other. Real
impact is showing up in agriculture, ecosystems, weather
patterns, shifting seasons and ice melting.

The global data CLEARLY shows:

Human contributed increase in green house gas CO2
http://edu-observatory.org/olli/800000yrs_CO2.png
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/10/16/0907094106
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1023163513.htm

Global surface (land and sea) temperature increase

http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads...emp-trends.gif

And accompanying Sea Level Rise

http://www.wildwildweather.com/forec...level_rise.png

There are many sources of good data
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/data-sources/
http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-monitoring/index.php

Here's some data from Iowa State University
http://www.meteor.iastate.edu/facult...entations.html

More from University of Iowa

http://www.engineering.uiowa.edu/fac.../schnoor_j.php

Franzen - The Chemistry and Physics of Global Climate Change
http://hfranzen.org/
http://www.hfranzen.org/Global_Warming.pdf