Accuweather
http://global-warming.accuweather.co...arctic_os.html

"The phase of the AO is described in terms of an index value. In
December 2009 the AO index value was -3.41, the most negative value
since at least 1950, according to data from the NOAA Climate
Prediction Center"

Please comment fully.

David Christainsen - Meteorologist
Newton, Mass. USA

crunch wrote:
Accuweather
http://global-warming.accuweather.co...arctic_os.html

"The phase of the AO is described in terms of an index value. In
December 2009 the AO index value was -3.41, the most negative value
since at least 1950, according to data from the NOAA Climate
Prediction Center"

Please comment fully.

You first. What do you think of the article.


--
Tom "Go Pack" McDonald

On Jan 7, 4:11*pm, crunch wrote:

Please comment fully.


Give me one good reason why anyone should, when you don't bother to do
so?

On Jan 7, 11:14*am, Tom McDonald wrote:
crunch wrote:
Accuweather
http://global-warming.accuweather.co...ng_negative_ar...

"The phase of the AO is described in terms of an index value. In
December 2009 the AO index value was -3.41, the most negative value
since at least 1950, according to data from the NOAA Climate
Prediction Center"

Please comment fully.

You first. What do you think of the article.

--
Tom "Go Pack" McDonald

Big Picture -

The article SHOUTS to me that Mojib Latif, not to
mention Svensmark, is right -

Svensmark: “global warming stopped and a cooling
is beginning” – “enjoy global warming while it lasts”

http://www.prisonplanet.com/svensmar...%E2%80%9D.html

"Indeed, global warming stopped and a cooling is beginning. Last
week, it was argued by Mojib Latif from the University of Kiel at the
UN World Climate Conference in Geneva that cooling may continue
through the next 10 to 20 years.

His explanation was natural changes in North Atlantic circulation and
not in solar activity. But no matter how it is interpreted, the
natural variations in climate then penetrates more and more.

One consequence may be that the sun itself will show its importance
for climate and thus to test the theories of global warming. No
climate model has predicted a cooling of the Earth, on the contrary.

This means that projections of future climate is unpredictable. A
forecast [that] says it may be warmer or colder for 50 years, is not
very useful, for science is not able to predict solar activity."

David Christainsen - Meteorologist
Newton, Mass. USA

On Jan 7, 4:44*pm, crunch wrote:
On Jan 7, 11:14*am, Tom McDonald wrote:

crunch wrote:
Accuweather
http://global-warming.accuweather.co...ng_negative_ar....

"The phase of the AO is described in terms of an index value. In
December 2009 the AO index value was -3.41, the most negative value
since at least 1950, according to data from the NOAA Climate
Prediction Center"

Please comment fully.

You first. What do you think of the article.

--
Tom "Go Pack" McDonald

Big Picture -

The article SHOUTS to me that Mojib Latif, not to
mention Svensmark, is right -

Svensmark: “global warming stopped and a cooling
is beginning” – “enjoy global warming while it lasts”
http://www.prisonplanet.com/svensmar...arming-stopped...

"Indeed, global warming stopped and a cooling is beginning. *Last
week, it was argued by Mojib Latif from the University of Kiel at the
UN World Climate Conference in Geneva that cooling may continue
through the next 10 to 20 years.

His explanation was natural changes in North Atlantic circulation and
not in solar activity. But no matter how it is interpreted, *the
natural variations in climate then penetrates more and more.

One consequence may be that the sun itself will show its importance
for climate and thus to test the theories of global warming. No
climate model has predicted a cooling of the Earth, on the contrary.

This means that projections of future climate is unpredictable. A
forecast [that] says it may be warmer or colder for 50 years, is not
very useful, for science is not able to predict solar activity."

David Christainsen - Meteorologist
Newton, Mass. USA

One month of a negative AO, after months of the AO being close to the
mean and it SHOUTS to you that Svensmark is correct?

Svensmark: “global warming stopped and a cooling is beginning” –
“enjoy global warming while it lasts” (from Sept 2009, FYI)

Try this.

Over the last 60 months, back to Nov 2004 (NOAA figures):

56 months (93%) have been in the top 10 warmest for that month in the
last 130 years.

38 months (63%) have been in the top 5 warmest for that month in the
last 130 years.

18 months (30%) have been in the top 2 warmest for that month in the
last 130 years.

Also........there has been an extended solar minimum for half of that
time, from which we may be just emerging , we have had a negative PDO
during all of this time and we presently have only a moderate El Nino,
but yet November was probably the warmest November on record, as an
average of all 5 global temp records.

This is what Svensmark thinks: “global warming stopped and a cooling
is beginning” – “enjoy global warming while it lasts”

What does that SHOUT to you, Crunchie?

On 7 Jan, 18:03, Dawlish wrote:
On Jan 7, 4:44*pm, crunch wrote:





On Jan 7, 11:14*am, Tom McDonald wrote:

crunch wrote:
Accuweather
http://global-warming.accuweather.co...ng_negative_ar...

"The phase of the AO is described in terms of an index value. In
December 2009 the AO index value was -3.41, the most negative value
since at least 1950, according to data from the NOAA Climate
Prediction Center"

Please comment fully.

You first. What do you think of the article.

--
Tom "Go Pack" McDonald

Big Picture -

The article SHOUTS to me that Mojib Latif, not to
mention Svensmark, is right -

Svensmark: “global warming stopped and a cooling
is beginning” – “enjoy global warming while it lasts”
http://www.prisonplanet.com/svensmar...arming-stopped...

"Indeed, global warming stopped and a cooling is beginning. *Last
week, it was argued by Mojib Latif from the University of Kiel at the
UN World Climate Conference in Geneva that cooling may continue
through the next 10 to 20 years.

His explanation was natural changes in North Atlantic circulation and
not in solar activity. But no matter how it is interpreted, *the
natural variations in climate then penetrates more and more.

One consequence may be that the sun itself will show its importance
for climate and thus to test the theories of global warming. No
climate model has predicted a cooling of the Earth, on the contrary.

This means that projections of future climate is unpredictable. A
forecast [that] says it may be warmer or colder for 50 years, is not
very useful, for science is not able to predict solar activity."

David Christainsen - Meteorologist
Newton, Mass. USA

One month of a negative AO, after months of the AO being close to the
mean and it SHOUTS to you that Svensmark is correct?

Svensmark: “global warming stopped and a cooling is beginning” –
“enjoy global warming while it lasts” (from Sept 2009, FYI)

Try this.

Over the last 60 months, back to Nov 2004 (NOAA figures):

56 months (93%) have been in the top 10 warmest for that month in the
last 130 years.

38 months (63%) have been in the top 5 warmest for that month in the
last 130 years.

18 months (30%) have been in the top 2 warmest for that month in the
last 130 years.

Also........there has been an extended solar minimum for half of that
time, from which we may be just emerging , we have had a negative PDO
during all of this time and we presently have only a moderate El Nino,
but yet November was probably the warmest November on record, as an
average of all 5 global temp records.

*This is what Svensmark thinks: “global warming stopped and a cooling
is beginning” – “enjoy global warming while it lasts”

What does that SHOUT to you, Crunchie?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nothing shouts to me, but the continuing evidence quietly suggests
that far from warming, the planet MAY be entering a cooling phase.

Either way, it'll do one thing or the other, or stay as it is. That
would mean that AGW had a 33% possibility of being correct, and if it
was a). It wouldn't matter a jot in the scheme of things and b). it
would be a far beneficial scenario for mankind, although of course
corrupt government would jump on the band wagon and make it difficult
(and expensive) for everyone.
Rising sea levels? Nah. Runaway temperatures? Nah. Storm and
tempest that would drive us to the very edge of extinction? Hardly.
Unsupported alarmism, all of it, and it is being recognised for what
it really is.

In any event, it wouldn't be CO2 that was the culprit - it never has
been, despite being a scapegoat for the alarmists.

CK

On Jan 7, 5:14*pm, Natsman wrote:
On 7 Jan, 18:03, Dawlish wrote:





On Jan 7, 4:44*pm, crunch wrote:

On Jan 7, 11:14*am, Tom McDonald wrote:

crunch wrote:
Accuweather
http://global-warming.accuweather.co...ng_negative_ar...

"The phase of the AO is described in terms of an index value. In
December 2009 the AO index value was -3.41, the most negative value
since at least 1950, according to data from the NOAA Climate
Prediction Center"

Please comment fully.

You first. What do you think of the article.

--
Tom "Go Pack" McDonald

Big Picture -

The article SHOUTS to me that Mojib Latif, not to
mention Svensmark, is right -

Svensmark: “global warming stopped and a cooling
is beginning” – “enjoy global warming while it lasts”
http://www.prisonplanet.com/svensmar...arming-stopped....

"Indeed, global warming stopped and a cooling is beginning. *Last
week, it was argued by Mojib Latif from the University of Kiel at the
UN World Climate Conference in Geneva that cooling may continue
through the next 10 to 20 years.

His explanation was natural changes in North Atlantic circulation and
not in solar activity. But no matter how it is interpreted, *the
natural variations in climate then penetrates more and more.

One consequence may be that the sun itself will show its importance
for climate and thus to test the theories of global warming. No
climate model has predicted a cooling of the Earth, on the contrary.

This means that projections of future climate is unpredictable. A
forecast [that] says it may be warmer or colder for 50 years, is not
very useful, for science is not able to predict solar activity."

David Christainsen - Meteorologist
Newton, Mass. USA

One month of a negative AO, after months of the AO being close to the
mean and it SHOUTS to you that Svensmark is correct?

Svensmark: “global warming stopped and a cooling is beginning” –
“enjoy global warming while it lasts” (from Sept 2009, FYI)

Try this.

Over the last 60 months, back to Nov 2004 (NOAA figures):

56 months (93%) have been in the top 10 warmest for that month in the
last 130 years.

38 months (63%) have been in the top 5 warmest for that month in the
last 130 years.

18 months (30%) have been in the top 2 warmest for that month in the
last 130 years.

Also........there has been an extended solar minimum for half of that
time, from which we may be just emerging , we have had a negative PDO
during all of this time and we presently have only a moderate El Nino,
but yet November was probably the warmest November on record, as an
average of all 5 global temp records.

*This is what Svensmark thinks: “global warming stopped and a cooling
is beginning” – “enjoy global warming while it lasts”

What does that SHOUT to you, Crunchie?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nothing shouts to me, but the continuing evidence quietly suggests
that far from warming, the planet MAY be entering a cooling phase.

Either way, it'll do one thing or the other, or stay as it is. *That
would mean that AGW had a 33% possibility of being correct, and if it
was a). *It wouldn't matter a jot in the scheme of things and b). it
would be a far beneficial scenario for mankind, although of course
corrupt government would jump on the band wagon and make it difficult
(and expensive) for everyone.
Rising sea levels? *Nah. *Runaway temperatures? *Nah. *Storm and
tempest that would drive us to the very edge of extinction? *Hardly.
Unsupported alarmism, all of it, and it is being recognised for what
it really is.

In any event, it wouldn't be CO2 that was the culprit - it never has
been, despite being a scapegoat for the alarmists.

CK- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What about my monthly temperature analysis for the last 5 years above?
Or is that a little too difficult for the denialists to find an answer
to.......so it is better swept under the denialist carpet instead?

On 7 Jan, 18:19, Dawlish wrote:
On Jan 7, 5:14*pm, Natsman wrote:





On 7 Jan, 18:03, Dawlish wrote:

On Jan 7, 4:44*pm, crunch wrote:

On Jan 7, 11:14*am, Tom McDonald wrote:

crunch wrote:
Accuweather
http://global-warming.accuweather.co...ng_negative_ar...

"The phase of the AO is described in terms of an index value. In
December 2009 the AO index value was -3.41, the most negative value
since at least 1950, according to data from the NOAA Climate
Prediction Center"

Please comment fully.

You first. What do you think of the article.

--
Tom "Go Pack" McDonald

Big Picture -

The article SHOUTS to me that Mojib Latif, not to
mention Svensmark, is right -

Svensmark: “global warming stopped and a cooling
is beginning” – “enjoy global warming while it lasts”
http://www.prisonplanet.com/svensmar...arming-stopped...

"Indeed, global warming stopped and a cooling is beginning. *Last
week, it was argued by Mojib Latif from the University of Kiel at the
UN World Climate Conference in Geneva that cooling may continue
through the next 10 to 20 years.

His explanation was natural changes in North Atlantic circulation and
not in solar activity. But no matter how it is interpreted, *the
natural variations in climate then penetrates more and more.

One consequence may be that the sun itself will show its importance
for climate and thus to test the theories of global warming. No
climate model has predicted a cooling of the Earth, on the contrary..

This means that projections of future climate is unpredictable. A
forecast [that] says it may be warmer or colder for 50 years, is not
very useful, for science is not able to predict solar activity."

David Christainsen - Meteorologist
Newton, Mass. USA

One month of a negative AO, after months of the AO being close to the
mean and it SHOUTS to you that Svensmark is correct?

Svensmark: “global warming stopped and a cooling is beginning” –
“enjoy global warming while it lasts” (from Sept 2009, FYI)

Try this.

Over the last 60 months, back to Nov 2004 (NOAA figures):

56 months (93%) have been in the top 10 warmest for that month in the
last 130 years.

38 months (63%) have been in the top 5 warmest for that month in the
last 130 years.

18 months (30%) have been in the top 2 warmest for that month in the
last 130 years.

Also........there has been an extended solar minimum for half of that
time, from which we may be just emerging , we have had a negative PDO
during all of this time and we presently have only a moderate El Nino,
but yet November was probably the warmest November on record, as an
average of all 5 global temp records.

*This is what Svensmark thinks: “global warming stopped and a cooling
is beginning” – “enjoy global warming while it lasts”

What does that SHOUT to you, Crunchie?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nothing shouts to me, but the continuing evidence quietly suggests
that far from warming, the planet MAY be entering a cooling phase.

Either way, it'll do one thing or the other, or stay as it is. *That
would mean that AGW had a 33% possibility of being correct, and if it
was a). *It wouldn't matter a jot in the scheme of things and b). it
would be a far beneficial scenario for mankind, although of course
corrupt government would jump on the band wagon and make it difficult
(and expensive) for everyone.
Rising sea levels? *Nah. *Runaway temperatures? *Nah. *Storm and
tempest that would drive us to the very edge of extinction? *Hardly.
Unsupported alarmism, all of it, and it is being recognised for what
it really is.

In any event, it wouldn't be CO2 that was the culprit - it never has
been, despite being a scapegoat for the alarmists.

CK- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What about my monthly temperature analysis for the last 5 years above?
Or is that a little too difficult for the denialists to find an answer
to.......so it is better swept under the denialist carpet instead?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I take it you mean "realist"? The denialists would appear to be your
lot.
You can squirm, and scream, and shout, too if it pleases you. Some of
us are quietly confident that common sense will prevail. It'll take
time, but it WILL prevail.

CK

On Jan 7, 5:48*pm, Natsman wrote:
On 7 Jan, 18:19, Dawlish wrote:





On Jan 7, 5:14*pm, Natsman wrote:

On 7 Jan, 18:03, Dawlish wrote:

On Jan 7, 4:44*pm, crunch wrote:

On Jan 7, 11:14*am, Tom McDonald wrote:

crunch wrote:
Accuweather
http://global-warming.accuweather.co...ng_negative_ar...

"The phase of the AO is described in terms of an index value. In
December 2009 the AO index value was -3.41, the most negative value
since at least 1950, according to data from the NOAA Climate
Prediction Center"

Please comment fully.

You first. What do you think of the article.

--
Tom "Go Pack" McDonald

Big Picture -

The article SHOUTS to me that Mojib Latif, not to
mention Svensmark, is right -

Svensmark: “global warming stopped and a cooling
is beginning” – “enjoy global warming while it lasts”
http://www.prisonplanet.com/svensmar...arming-stopped...

"Indeed, global warming stopped and a cooling is beginning. *Last
week, it was argued by Mojib Latif from the University of Kiel at the
UN World Climate Conference in Geneva that cooling may continue
through the next 10 to 20 years.

His explanation was natural changes in North Atlantic circulation and
not in solar activity. But no matter how it is interpreted, *the
natural variations in climate then penetrates more and more.

One consequence may be that the sun itself will show its importance
for climate and thus to test the theories of global warming. No
climate model has predicted a cooling of the Earth, on the contrary.

This means that projections of future climate is unpredictable. A
forecast [that] says it may be warmer or colder for 50 years, is not
very useful, for science is not able to predict solar activity."

David Christainsen - Meteorologist
Newton, Mass. USA

One month of a negative AO, after months of the AO being close to the
mean and it SHOUTS to you that Svensmark is correct?

Svensmark: “global warming stopped and a cooling is beginning” –
“enjoy global warming while it lasts” (from Sept 2009, FYI)

Try this.

Over the last 60 months, back to Nov 2004 (NOAA figures):

56 months (93%) have been in the top 10 warmest for that month in the
last 130 years.

38 months (63%) have been in the top 5 warmest for that month in the
last 130 years.

18 months (30%) have been in the top 2 warmest for that month in the
last 130 years.

Also........there has been an extended solar minimum for half of that
time, from which we may be just emerging , we have had a negative PDO
during all of this time and we presently have only a moderate El Nino,
but yet November was probably the warmest November on record, as an
average of all 5 global temp records.

*This is what Svensmark thinks: “global warming stopped and a cooling
is beginning” – “enjoy global warming while it lasts”

What does that SHOUT to you, Crunchie?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nothing shouts to me, but the continuing evidence quietly suggests
that far from warming, the planet MAY be entering a cooling phase.

Either way, it'll do one thing or the other, or stay as it is. *That
would mean that AGW had a 33% possibility of being correct, and if it
was a). *It wouldn't matter a jot in the scheme of things and b). it
would be a far beneficial scenario for mankind, although of course
corrupt government would jump on the band wagon and make it difficult
(and expensive) for everyone.
Rising sea levels? *Nah. *Runaway temperatures? *Nah. *Storm and
tempest that would drive us to the very edge of extinction? *Hardly..
Unsupported alarmism, all of it, and it is being recognised for what
it really is.

In any event, it wouldn't be CO2 that was the culprit - it never has
been, despite being a scapegoat for the alarmists.

CK- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What about my monthly temperature analysis for the last 5 years above?
Or is that a little too difficult for the denialists to find an answer
to.......so it is better swept under the denialist carpet instead?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I take it you mean "realist"? *The denialists would appear to be your
lot.
You can squirm, and scream, and shout, too if it pleases you. *Some of
us are quietly confident that common sense will prevail. *It'll take
time, but it WILL prevail.

CK- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well if you are "quietly confident", or if Crunchie is really
confident, or if any other denialist is confident of temperatures
falling, then address the question of why those 5-year statistics are
as they are, despite low solar output and a negative PDO (there was
also a La Nina during those 5 years too, I might add). If it has been
getting colder, why doesn't it show? Svensmark is confident, Crunchie
is ever so confident, the denialist blogosphere is always confident,
you are "quietly confident" and it seems that you are all just
confidently waiting for the global temperatures to fall............but
they aren't.

If it was ever going to get colder, surely all the conditions have
been perfect for it to do so, during the last 5 years. So why haven't
temperatures fallen?

On Jan 7, 12:19*pm, Dawlish wrote:

What about my monthly temperature analysis for the last 5 years above?
Or is that a little too difficult for the denialists to find an answer
to.......so it is better swept under the denialist carpet instead?

• Dawlish, when you relate climate skeptics to
Nazi Holocaust Deniers the you label your
self Nazi— I hate Nazis

• Your "monthly temperature analysis for the
last 5 years"? It was useless when you began
and even worse now.
Don't sweep it —
shove it where the sun don't shine