On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:27:55 -0600, Sam Wormley
wrote:

On 1/13/10 10:11 PM, I M @ good guy wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:40:16 -0600, Sam
wrote:

As was recently pointed out by Chris L Peterson, posting
in news:sci.astro.amateur with respect to water vapor:

None of which is remotely relevant to the discussion of AGW. The effects
of a small change in CO2 concentration are well understood (extremely
well), as is the effect this has on the global temperature balance. If
mankind were doing something to increase the amount of water vapor, this
would be recognized as an anthropogenic greenhouse gas as well. However,
we're not directly adding water to the atmosphere, and the water vapor
content is stable. The same cannot be said for CO2 or methane, however.
CO2 is the primary forcer of warming, followed by methane. Water vapor
is not forcing warming at all. Only CO2 and methane are rising because
of direct human input into the system- and predictably, the temperatures
are rising right along with them. CO2 is considered the much more
serious issue, because of its long atmospheric lifetime. Of course,
under the current warming trends a catastrophic increase in methane is
likely, further forcing extreme warming.


Ok, we can turn the thermometer upside down
so you will be right, down is up.


Learn the Difference Between Weather and Climate!

The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather
is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time,
and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods
of time (at least 30 years).

In various parts of the world, some people have even noticed that
springtime comes earlier now than it did 30 years ago. An earlier
springtime is indicative of a possible change in the climate.

It was 10 degrees above normal today,
so no problem, it is only weather.

On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:01:37 -0600, Sam Wormley
wrote:

On 1/13/10 10:19 PM, wrote:


CO2 has no, that is ZERO effect on global temperature.

Betcha didn't know that CO2 is a GREENHOUSE gas!

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

In the 19th century, scientists realized that gases in the atmosphere
cause a "greenhouse effect" which affects the planet's temperature.
These scientists were interested chiefly in the possibility that a lower
level of carbon dioxide gas might explain the ice ages of the distant
past. At the turn of the century, Svante Arrhenius calculated that
emissions from human industry might someday bring a global warming.
Other scientists dismissed his idea as faulty. In 1938, G.S. Calendar
argued that the level of carbon dioxide was climbing and raising global
temperature, but most scientists found his arguments implausible. It was
almost by chance that a few researchers in the 1950s discovered that
global warming truly was possible. In the early 1960s, C.D. Keeling
measured the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphe it was rising
fast. Researchers began to take an interest, struggling to understand
how the level of carbon dioxide had changed in the past, and how the
level was influenced by chemical and biological forces. They found that
the gas plays a crucial role in climate change, so that the rising level
could gravely affect our future.

Do read: http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

You might learn something new under the atmosphere!


What do you call the gases that cool the atmosphere
by nothing but Infra-Red radiation to space?

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:11:06 -0600, Sam Wormley
wrote:

On 1/14/10 6:55 AM, wrote:


H2O is 97% of the greenhouse. CO2 has Zero effect


Leonard, you are showing your ignorance here.

Betcha didn't know that CO2 is a GREENHOUSE gas!

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

In the 19th century, scientists realized that gases in the atmosphere
cause a "greenhouse effect" which affects the planet's temperature.
These scientists were interested chiefly in the possibility that a lower
level of carbon dioxide gas might explain the ice ages of the distant
past. At the turn of the century, Svante Arrhenius calculated that
emissions from human industry might someday bring a global warming.
Other scientists dismissed his idea as faulty. In 1938, G.S. Calendar
argued that the level of carbon dioxide was climbing and raising global
temperature, but most scientists found his arguments implausible. It was
almost by chance that a few researchers in the 1950s discovered that
global warming truly was possible. In the early 1960s, C.D. Keeling
measured the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphe it was rising
fast. Researchers began to take an interest, struggling to understand
how the level of carbon dioxide had changed in the past, and how the
level was influenced by chemical and biological forces. They found that
the gas plays a crucial role in climate change, so that the rising level
could gravely affect our future.

Do read: http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

Leonard--You might learn something new under the atmosphere! But
for some reason you don't want to! Pity really.

Talk about parrot posts, this is a discussion
group, there is nothing interesting about a dummy
writing the same thing on the blackboard 100 times.

On 1/14/10 10:30 PM, I M @ good guy wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:01:37 -0600, Sam
wrote:

On 1/13/10 10:19 PM, wrote:


CO2 has no, that is ZERO effect on global temperature.

Betcha didn't know that CO2 is a GREENHOUSE gas!

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

In the 19th century, scientists realized that gases in the atmosphere
cause a "greenhouse effect" which affects the planet's temperature.
These scientists were interested chiefly in the possibility that a lower
level of carbon dioxide gas might explain the ice ages of the distant
past. At the turn of the century, Svante Arrhenius calculated that
emissions from human industry might someday bring a global warming.
Other scientists dismissed his idea as faulty. In 1938, G.S. Calendar
argued that the level of carbon dioxide was climbing and raising global
temperature, but most scientists found his arguments implausible. It was
almost by chance that a few researchers in the 1950s discovered that
global warming truly was possible. In the early 1960s, C.D. Keeling
measured the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphe it was rising
fast. Researchers began to take an interest, struggling to understand
how the level of carbon dioxide had changed in the past, and how the
level was influenced by chemical and biological forces. They found that
the gas plays a crucial role in climate change, so that the rising level
could gravely affect our future.

Do read: http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

You might learn something new under the atmosphere!


What do you call the gases that cool the atmosphere
by nothing but Infra-Red radiation to space?


smiling

"I M @ good guy" wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:11:06 -0600, Sam Wormley
wrote:

On 1/14/10 6:55 AM, wrote:


H2O is 97% of the greenhouse. CO2 has Zero effect


Leonard, you are showing your ignorance here.

Betcha didn't know that CO2 is a GREENHOUSE gas!

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

In the 19th century, scientists realized that gases in the atmosphere
cause a "greenhouse effect" which affects the planet's temperature.
These scientists were interested chiefly in the possibility that a lower
level of carbon dioxide gas might explain the ice ages of the distant
past. At the turn of the century, Svante Arrhenius calculated that
emissions from human industry might someday bring a global warming.
Other scientists dismissed his idea as faulty. In 1938, G.S. Calendar
argued that the level of carbon dioxide was climbing and raising global
temperature, but most scientists found his arguments implausible. It was
almost by chance that a few researchers in the 1950s discovered that
global warming truly was possible. In the early 1960s, C.D. Keeling
measured the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphe it was rising
fast. Researchers began to take an interest, struggling to understand
how the level of carbon dioxide had changed in the past, and how the
level was influenced by chemical and biological forces. They found that
the gas plays a crucial role in climate change, so that the rising level
could gravely affect our future.

Do read: http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

Leonard--You might learn something new under the atmosphere! But
for some reason you don't want to! Pity really.

Talk about parrot posts, this is a discussion
group, there is nothing interesting about a dummy
writing the same thing on the blackboard 100 times.

Wormley is one of the more prolific prominent apes.
His hot air plays a crucial role in political climate change, so
that the rising level of bull**** could gravely affect our future.
Monkey see, monkey do.

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On Jan 14, 12:27 am, Sam Wormley wrote:


Can't say for your location, but in Iowa one result of
global warming is an increase in rainfall and an increase
in relative humidity and dew-point.

• Paleologists confirm the at the end of the
interglacial period there will be 20 years
of extreme weather ... heavy rains and
snows, extreme hots and colds, ...

That has the effect of
decreasing high temperatures during the daytime and
increasing low temperatures at night (less cooling).

• Somehow that seems to be contradictory

"somehow"...?.... "SOMEHOW"....!?!?!?....
is that supposed to represent some form of scientific convention for
critique within that pea-brain of yours...?...



— —
| In real science the burden of proof is always
| on the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
| neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
| iota of valid data for global warming nor have
| they provided data that climate change is being
| effected by commerce and industry, and not by
| natural phenomena

On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:07:45 -0600, Sam Wormley
wrote:

On 1/14/10 10:30 PM, I M @ good guy wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:01:37 -0600, Sam
wrote:

On 1/13/10 10:19 PM, wrote:


CO2 has no, that is ZERO effect on global temperature.

Betcha didn't know that CO2 is a GREENHOUSE gas!

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

In the 19th century, scientists realized that gases in the atmosphere
cause a "greenhouse effect" which affects the planet's temperature.
These scientists were interested chiefly in the possibility that a lower
level of carbon dioxide gas might explain the ice ages of the distant
past. At the turn of the century, Svante Arrhenius calculated that
emissions from human industry might someday bring a global warming.
Other scientists dismissed his idea as faulty. In 1938, G.S. Calendar
argued that the level of carbon dioxide was climbing and raising global
temperature, but most scientists found his arguments implausible. It was
almost by chance that a few researchers in the 1950s discovered that
global warming truly was possible. In the early 1960s, C.D. Keeling
measured the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphe it was rising
fast. Researchers began to take an interest, struggling to understand
how the level of carbon dioxide had changed in the past, and how the
level was influenced by chemical and biological forces. They found that
the gas plays a crucial role in climate change, so that the rising level
could gravely affect our future.

Do read: http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

You might learn something new under the atmosphere!


What do you call the gases that cool the atmosphere
by nothing but Infra-Red radiation to space?


smiling


Any subterfuge to avoid admitting that the
only thing that cools the atmosphere is GHGs.
(Why do I keep typing "cook" instead of cool?)

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On Jan 14, 12:43 am, Benj wrote:
On Jan 14, 12:01 am, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 1/13/10 10:19 PM, wrote:

CO2 has no, that is ZERO effect on global temperature.

Betcha didn't know that CO2 is a GREENHOUSE gas!

Betcha don't know that CO2 is a MINOR greenhouse gas and a TRACE
constituent of the atmosphere (0.00038!).

Betcha you don't know that doesn't matter. Betcha don't know an
amount of ricin which is an even smaller percetnage of your body mass
is fatal.


Betcha didn't know that the
HUMAN contribution to that minor amount is a small fraction of that.

Betcha don't know the human contribution is 40% of the CO2 (the amount
it's up over pre-industial levels).

Betcha didn't know that the infrared energy bands in CO2 are quite
narrow compared to say water vapor (a major greenhouse gas).

Betcha didn't know water vapor is mostly in the lower atmosphere; in
the upper atmosphere, it's just CO2 doing the absorbing.

then you got a problem because the upper atmosphere is cooling