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February 9, 2010, 09:06:27 | Anthony Watts

The ever sharp Bishop Hill blog writes:

While perusing some of the review comments to the IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report, I came across
the contributions of Andrew Lacis, a colleague of James Hansen's at GISS. Lacis's is not a name
I've
come across before but some of what he has to say about Chapter 9 of the IPCC's report is simply
breathtaking.

Chapter 9 is possibly the most important one in the whole IPCC report - it's the one where they
decide that global warming is manmade. This is the one where the headlines are made.

Remember, this guy is mainstream, not a sceptic, and you may need to remind yourself of that fact
several times as you read through his comment on the executive summary of the chapter:

There is no scientific merit to be found in the Executive Summary. The presentation sounds like
something put together by Greenpeace activists and their legal department. The points being made
are made arbitrarily with legal sounding caveats without having established any foundation or basis
in fact. The Executive Summary seems to be a political statement that is only designed to annoy
greenhouse skeptics. Wasn't the IPCC Assessment Report intended to be a scientific document that
would merit solid backing from the climate science community - instead of forcing many climate
scientists into having to agree with greenhouse skeptic criticisms that this is indeed a report
with a clear and obvious political agenda. Attribution can not happen until understanding has been
clearly demonstrated. Once the facts of climate change have been established and understood,
attribution will become self-evident to all. The Executive Summary as it stands is beyond
redemption and should simply be deleted.

I'm speechless. The chapter authors, however weren't. This was their reply (all of it):

Rejected. [Executive Summary] summarizes Ch 9, which is based on the peer reviewed literature.

Simply astonishing. This is a consensus?

(h/t to WUWT reader Tom Mills)


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WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?
______________________________________
" Just over two years ago, Rajendra K. Pachauri seemed destined for a
scientist’s version of sainthood: A vegetarian economist-engineer who
leads the United Nations’ climate change panel, he accepted the 2007
Nobel Peace Prize on behalf of the panel, sharing the honor with
former Vice President Al Gore."

" But Dr. Pachauri and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
are now under intense scrutiny, facing accusations of scientific
sloppiness and potential financial conflicts of interest from climate
skeptics, right-leaning politicians and even some mainstream
scientists. Senator John Barrasso, a Wyoming Republican, called for
Dr. Pachauri’s resignation last week."
______________________________________

This is a witch hunt! There's no validation for this. U people have
use hindsight - that still has no scientific formalities by which to
even establish grounds to call for a resignation; and then to
prosecute a decorated Dr because of his position? This senator
probably wouldn't know science even it it bit him on the arse! This
is a typical sneaky political play that has no foundation from which
to attack. sloppy science? how? why? just because we're still
forming an overall guide, doesn't make the old standard -namely
temperature driven -and therefore collections of that data -- doesn't
make it sloppy -- just in need of improving.

There's no way I'm being part of this, and it definitely hasn't a leg
to stand on.

______________________________________
"Critics, writing in Britain’s Sunday Telegraph and elsewhere, have
accused Dr. Pachauri of profiting from his work as an adviser to
businesses, including Deutsche Bank and Pegasus Capital Advisors, a
New York investment firm — a claim he denies."
______________________________________

& quite rightly so. Everything that has happened has been sequential
in progression, which is obvious according to the first quoted
paragraph. How is that premeditated in anyway? U cannot give a man a
position which by virtue of that position vocates him the position as
an advisor, then cut him down for acting in that capacity. That is
rubbish!

Anthrogenic GW is provable using GR and enthropy -- so leave the good
Dr alone. just because we're still in catch up, doesn't mean witch
hunting idiots should be empowered.
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On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:48:19 -0800 (PST), Ace0f_5pades
wrote:

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?
______________________________________
" Just over two years ago, Rajendra K. Pachauri seemed destined for a
scientist’s version of sainthood: A vegetarian economist-engineer who
leads the United Nations’ climate change panel, he accepted the 2007
Nobel Peace Prize on behalf of the panel, sharing the honor with
former Vice President Al Gore."

" But Dr. Pachauri and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
are now under intense scrutiny, facing accusations of scientific
sloppiness and potential financial conflicts of interest from climate
skeptics, right-leaning politicians and even some mainstream
scientists. Senator John Barrasso, a Wyoming Republican, called for
Dr. Pachauri’s resignation last week."
______________________________________

This is a witch hunt! There's no validation for this. U people have
use hindsight - that still has no scientific formalities by which to
even establish grounds to call for a resignation; and then to
prosecute a decorated Dr because of his position? This senator
probably wouldn't know science even it it bit him on the arse! This
is a typical sneaky political play that has no foundation from which
to attack. sloppy science? how? why? just because we're still
forming an overall guide, doesn't make the old standard -namely
temperature driven -and therefore collections of that data -- doesn't
make it sloppy -- just in need of improving.

There's no way I'm being part of this, and it definitely hasn't a leg
to stand on.

______________________________________
"Critics, writing in Britain’s Sunday Telegraph and elsewhere, have
accused Dr. Pachauri of profiting from his work as an adviser to
businesses, including Deutsche Bank and Pegasus Capital Advisors, a
New York investment firm — a claim he denies."
______________________________________

& quite rightly so. Everything that has happened has been sequential
in progression, which is obvious according to the first quoted
paragraph. How is that premeditated in anyway? U cannot give a man a
position which by virtue of that position vocates him the position as
an advisor, then cut him down for acting in that capacity. That is
rubbish!

Anthrogenic GW is provable using GR and enthropy -- so leave the good
Dr alone. just because we're still in catch up, doesn't mean witch
hunting idiots should be empowered.



Appeal to authorities in India, they have more
to do with the issue, nobody here does anything
but read.

I saw a picture of him and got really scared. :-)







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