Once again "Watts up with That" is the blog everyone needs to read.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/0...st-normal-age/

February 9, 2010, 14:54:32 | Anthony Watts

I'm honored to offer this guest post by Jerome Ravetz, of Oxford University in the UK. Mr. Ravetz
is an environmental consultant and professor of philosophy of science best known for his books
challenging the assumptions of scientific objectivity, discussing the science wars and post-normal
science. Read more about him at his personal web page here, his Oxford page here, or at his blog
the Post-normal Times. Also, my thanks to WUWT regular "tallbloke" for his facilitation. - Anthony

[long essay at URL]

On Feb 11, 3:06*am, "Eric Gisin" wrote:
Once again "Watts up with That" is the blog everyone needs to read.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/0...ibility-and-th...

February 9, 2010, 14:54:32 | Anthony Watts

I'm honored to offer this guest post by Jerome Ravetz, of Oxford University in the UK. Mr. Ravetz
is an environmental consultant and professor of philosophy of science best known for his books
challenging the assumptions of scientific objectivity, discussing the science wars and post-normal
science. Read more about him at his personal web page here, his Oxford page here, or at his blog
the Post-normal Times. Also, my thanks to WUWT regular "tallbloke" for his facilitation. - Anthony

[long essay at URL]

What an excellent summary with what seems massive insight into the
problems within science that led up to Climategate and IMO corrupted
the scientific process.

On Feb 11, 11:08*pm, Giga2 wrote:
On Feb 11, 3:06*am, "Eric Gisin" wrote:

Once again "Watts up with That" is the blog everyone needs to read.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/0...ibility-and-th...

February 9, 2010, 14:54:32 | Anthony Watts

I'm honored to offer this guest post by Jerome Ravetz, of Oxford University in the UK. Mr. Ravetz
is an environmental consultant and professor of philosophy of science best known for his books
challenging the assumptions of scientific objectivity, discussing the science wars and post-normal
science. Read more about him at his personal web page here, his Oxford page here, or at his blog
the Post-normal Times. Also, my thanks to WUWT regular "tallbloke" for his facilitation. - Anthony

[long essay at URL]

What an excellent summary with what seems massive insight into the
problems within science that led up to Climategate and IMO corrupted
the scientific process.

Hey Giga2,
The article should produce pressure that encourages change. But, the
change must be directed by science, rather by opinion. The science
isn't corrupted, its young-needing to be further developed. The real
issue is shifting goalposts -- this article doesn't even address that
fact. all it does it gives the reader some insight into the problem
-- but that insight in no way leaves the reader in a position of
complete understanding of GW science and how that science needs to be
further developed.

The people that praise this article seem to have lost perspective --

A body that was established to govern GW, the IPCC, is being called
for disbandment.

Mann was cleared of the charges, and the real point is still 2305 --
this figure tells us we're making choices for our grandchildrenn.

So, keep it real. the pressure has to be applied to change shifting
goal post sciences... which effects all aspects of science.

On Feb 11, 7:40*pm, Ace0f_5pades wrote:
On Feb 11, wrote:



On Feb 11, 3:06*am, "Eric Gisin" wrote:

Once again "Watts up with That" is the blog everyone needs to read.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/0...ibility-and-th....

February 9, 2010, 14:54:32 | Anthony Watts

I'm honored to offer this guest post by Jerome Ravetz, of Oxford University in the UK. Mr. Ravetz
is an environmental consultant and professor of philosophy of science best known for his books
challenging the assumptions of scientific objectivity, discussing the science wars and post-normal
science. Read more about him at his personal web page here, his Oxford page here, or at his blog
the Post-normal Times. Also, my thanks to WUWT regular "tallbloke" for his facilitation. - Anthony

[long essay at URL]

What an excellent summary with what seems massive insight into the
problems within science that led up to Climategate and IMO corrupted
the scientific process.

HeyGiga2,
The article should produce pressure that encourages change. *But, the
change must be directed by science, rather by opinion. *The science
isn't corrupted, its young-needing to be further developed. *The real
issue is shifting goalposts -- this article doesn't even address that
fact. *all it does it gives the reader some insight into the problem
-- but that insight in no way leaves the reader in a position of
complete understanding of GW science and how that science needs to be
further developed.

The people that praise this article seem to have lost perspective --

A body that was established to govern GW, the IPCC, is being called
for disbandment.

Mann was cleared of the charges, and the real point is still 2305 --
this figure tells us we're making choices for our grandchildrenn.

So, keep it real. *the pressure has to be applied to change shifting
goal post sciences... which effects all aspects of science.

I would say a wholesale review and reform of academia, tertiary
education and science funding must be called for and completed. Th
whole thing, root and branch, is pretty corrupted, and the media as
well.