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In sci.skeptic rasterspace wrote:
when the UNIPCC finally gets a handle on urban heat-
islanding, and the associated, city-swamped weather-
stations, then, they'll have some data.

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H1Sea surface temp trends around Australia/H1

Sea surface temps around Australia show a consistent summer warming
trend. Average waters have increased around 1C over the period
1900 to 2010.
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H2Northern tropical waters:/H2
img src="http://www.kymhorsell.com/graphs/sst.trop.1202.15654.png"P
H2Australian sea average:/H2
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[If I make history stop in 1899 things can not get worse:]
Yes, but [Yasi was] not as bad as the cat 5 Mahina in 1899!
And what about 1918 when Qld had TWO CAT 5 CYCLONES!
The more things change the more they stay the same.
-- [86 nyms and counting], 3 Feb 2011 16:09 +1100
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Default Latest Hadley Global Temperature Data Show Accelerated Warming!

thanks, but you did not address the IPCC's tiny model
of urban heat islanding, or the alleged fudge-factor for it
that is used in the simulacra.

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On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 16:32:39 -0800 (PST), Roger Coppock
wrote:

Latest Hadley Global Temperature Data Show Accelerated Warming!


Please see:
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadCRUT3gl.jpg

and

http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadCRUT3glSLOPE.jpg

The Land and Sea Surface Temperature data record an
accelerated temperature increase. Here, from Hadley
Centre, are the global surface temperatures from 1850
to 2010. Note that data for the last 17 years are all
above the linear trend. This is the result of an
accelerated warming.

Please see:

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/te...hadcrut3gl.txt

The yearly means of these data are graphed he

http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadCRUT3gl.jpg

Regression statistics for the line in the graph at the
URL given above a

Coefficients:
Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(|t|)
(Intercept) -8.797803 0.526408 -16.7 2e-16
Year 0.004474 0.000273 16.4 4.95e-36

Residual standard error: 0.161 on 159 degrees of freedom
Multiple R-squared: 0.63
F-statistic: 269 on 1 and 159 DF, p-value: 4.95e-36

The 30-year rolling slopes for these data are graphed at
the URL given below:

http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadCRUT3glSLOPE.jpg

Please note the rapid, 3.8 +- 0.2 K per century acceleration
of global warming rates starting in 1952.


I wonder what the numbers look like using HadCRUT4 which is now
available.

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what is the baseline for these "SSTs around Australia," since
they all are so negative in their first years?... I mean,
they're hard to read in the googlplex front-end to teh newsgroups, but
i could at least see *that*.

what is the IPCC's rhetorical or model characterization
of urban heat-islanding?

http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadCRUT3glSLOPE.jpg


Please note the rapid, 3.8 +- 0.2 K per century acceleration
of global warming rates starting in 1952.


Confirmerism:: "The employment of rhetorical arguments to, y'know.
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A symposium celebrating the contributions of S. George Philander,
Princeton U., September 6-7, 2012.

Registration, tarvel & program:
www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~atw/sgp


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well, a dead link, couldn't find it on the AOS website; so,
here are the five questions, from teh former head of Princeton's
Global Fluid Dynamics Lab:

What is the relative importance of the thermohaline and
wind-driven components of the oceanic circulation to Earth's climate?
[hint: see Philander's webpage]

Do condiitions in polar regions deermine conditions in the tropics,
or vise versa?

Is a permanent El Nino that changes the planetary albedo, possible?
[I say, no; it's just gone chaotic]

What tests can records of recurrent ice Age {sic] provide
for climate models?

Why is global warming so polarizing !?!
[heh; le tres bon mot]

A symposium celebrating the contributions of S. George Philander,
Princeton U., September 6-7, 2012.

Registration, tarvel & program:

http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/aos
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On Fri, 4 May 2012 11:45:42 -0700 (PDT), 1treePetrifiedForestLane
wrote:

On Thu, 03 May 2012 20:43:04 -0600, AGWFacts wrote:

On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 16:32:39 -0800 (PST), Roger Coppock
wrote:

Latest Hadley Global Temperature Data Show Accelerated Warming!


Please see:
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadCRUT3gl.jpg

and

http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadCRUT3glSLOPE.jpg

The Land and Sea Surface Temperature data record an
accelerated temperature increase. Here, from Hadley
Centre, are the global surface temperatures from 1850
to 2010. Note that data for the last 17 years are all
above the linear trend. This is the result of an
accelerated warming.

Please see:

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/te...hadcrut3gl.txt

The yearly means of these data are graphed he

http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadCRUT3gl.jpg

Regression statistics for the line in the graph at the
URL given above a

Coefficients:
Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(|t|)
(Intercept) -8.797803 0.526408 -16.7 2e-16
Year 0.004474 0.000273 16.4 4.95e-36

Residual standard error: 0.161 on 159 degrees of freedom
Multiple R-squared: 0.63
F-statistic: 269 on 1 and 159 DF, p-value: 4.95e-36

The 30-year rolling slopes for these data are graphed at
the URL given below:

http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadCRUT3glSLOPE.jpg

Please note the rapid, 3.8 +- 0.2 K per century acceleration
of global warming rates starting in 1952.


I wonder what the numbers look like using HadCRUT4 which is now
available.


what is the baseline for these "SSTs around Australia," since
they all are so negative in their first years?


That dataset are you asking about? I assume you are talking about
a yearly dataset, which would indeed show lower temperatures at
the start and warmer temperatures at the end.

The CRUTEM4 dataset baseline is the average monthly regional (five
degree "square") temperature from year 1961 to year 1990. Negative
numbers show the average monthly regional temperature that is
below that average; postive numbers show a average monthly
regional increase above that average.

... I mean,
they're hard to read in the googlplex front-end to teh newsgroups, but
i could at least see *that*.



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of legitimate debate where there is none."
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"AGWFacts" wrote in message
...

The CRUTEM4 dataset baseline is the average monthly regional (five
degree "square") temperature from year 1961 to year 1990. Negative
numbers show the average monthly regional temperature that is
below that average; postive numbers show a average monthly
regional increase above that average.


Frackers Outbid Farmers for Water in Colorado Drought
By Rebecca Leber, ThinkProgress | Report

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...orado-drought/



Colorado is facing drought not seen since 2002, following the fourth-warmest
and third-least-snowy winter in US history. Colorado State University
scientists report that 98 percent of the state is facing these drought
conditions.

The drought comes after a record-breaking warm winter that left very low
"snowpack levels" in water basins. "Even though the reservoir levels are
still strong and northeast Colorado soil moisture is still pretty good, we
just don't usually start out quite this warm and dry at this time - so this
is very concerning," CSU climatologist Nolan Doesken said. "In 2002, things
didn't seem that bad at the end of March, as March had been quite cool, with
some snow."

Colorado's hydrofracking boom - a technology that heavily relies on water -
only adds additional strain as farmers and drillers bid for a scarce
resource:
At Colorado's premier auction for unallocated water this spring, companies
that provide water for hydraulic fracturing at well sites were top bidders
on supplies once claimed exclusively by farmers. [...]

State officials charged with promoting and regulating the energy industry
estimated that fracking required about 13,900 acre-feet in 2010. That's a
small share of the total water consumed in Colorado, about 0.08 percent.
However, this fast-growing share already exceeds the amount that the ski
industry draws from mountain rivers for making artificial snow. Each oil or
gas well drilled requires 500,000 to 5 million gallons of water.

A Colorado Oil and Gas Conservation Commission report projected water needs
for fracking will increase to 18,700 acre-feet a year by 2015.

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On Fri, 4 May 2012 20:15:30 -0700 (PDT), 1treePetrifiedForestLane
wrote:

A symposium celebrating the contributions of S. George Philander,
Princeton U., September 6-7, 2012.

Registration, tarvel & program:
www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~atw/sgp


http://aos.princeton.edu/philander/

Damn I wish I could attend. Thank you.


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of legitimate debate where there is none." / "We plough far too much money
into universities these days." -- Catoni, thermometer denier
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"AGWFacts" wrote in message
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On Fri, 4 May 2012 20:15:30 -0700 (PDT), 1treePetrifiedForestLane
wrote:

A symposium celebrating the contributions of S. George Philander,
Princeton U., September 6-7, 2012.

Registration, tarvel & program:
www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~atw/sgp


http://aos.princeton.edu/philander/

Damn I wish I could attend. Thank you.


I like the list of questions, but would add does it help or hurt to pour the
fossil fuels back into the ocean

Florida raises questions about BP settlement
By Amanda Bronstad
The National Law Journal

The details of a proposed $7.8 billion settlement with BP PLC in the
Deepwater Horizon oil spill litigation have appeased numerous critics, but
Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi continues to raise concerns about whether
the deal benefits all the affected residents in her state.

Bondi filed a statement of interest on April 13 asking U.S. District Judge
Carl Barbier to hold off on approving the deal until she and other parties
had adequate opportunity to voice their concerns.

The proposed settlement, which had yet to be filed in court for approval at
the time she filed her statement, appeared to limit compensation to
individuals and businesses along Florida's Gulf Coast, Bondi wrote,
eliminating recourse for thousands of the state's residents. She added that
the deal appeared to halt the claims process in violation of the Oil
Pollution Act of 1990, harming those who had yet to fully assess the damage
they suffered.

"I am greatly concerned that we lack substantial information about the
pending settlement that could have significant ramifications for Floridians
and could also, among other things, eliminate short-term, interim damage
claims," Bondi said.

On April 18, the plaintiffs steering committee in the multidistrict
litigation moved for preliminary approval of the settlement, divulging more
details about the deal. "We're reviewing the filing now," Jenn Meale, a
spokeswoman for Bondi, said on April 19.

Florida has been a particular thorn in the side of attorneys and
administrators involved in resolving oil spill claims. Last year, Bondi
advocated for an independent audit of the Gulf Coast Claims Facility, the
$40 billion administrative fund paid for by BP. She also led a group
objecting to a proposed 6 percent "hold-back" fee assessed against those who
obtained claim settlements on or after Nov. 7, 2011, through the Gulf Coast
Claims Facility.



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