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head TITLESea surface temp trends around Australia/TITLE /head body PRE In sci.skeptic rasterspace wrote: when the UNIPCC finally gets a handle on urban heat- islanding, and the associated, city-swamped weather- stations, then, they'll have some data. /PRE H1Sea surface temp trends around Australia/H1 Sea surface temps around Australia show a consistent summer warming trend. Average waters have increased around 1C over the period 1900 to 2010. P H2Tasman Sea:/H2 img src="http://www.kymhorsell.com/graphs/sst.tas.1202.19099.png"P Coral Sea:P img src="http://www.kymhorsell.com/graphs/sst.cor.1202.17481.png"P H2Northwestern waters:/H2 img src="http://www.kymhorsell.com/graphs/sst.nw.1202.20179.png"P H2Southern waters:/H2 img src="http://www.kymhorsell.com/graphs/sst.sth.1202.16505.png"P H2Southwestern waters:/H2 img src="http://www.kymhorsell.com/graphs/sst.sw.1202.22060.png"P H2Northern tropical waters:/H2 img src="http://www.kymhorsell.com/graphs/sst.trop.1202.15654.png"P H2Australian sea average:/H2 img src="http://www.kymhorsell.com/graphs/sst.aus.1202.13336.png"P HR PRE [If I make history stop in 1899 things can not get worse:] Yes, but [Yasi was] not as bad as the cat 5 Mahina in 1899! And what about 1918 when Qld had TWO CAT 5 CYCLONES! The more things change the more they stay the same. -- [86 nyms and counting], 3 Feb 2011 16:09 +1100 /PRE /body /html |
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thanks, but you did not address the IPCC's tiny model
of urban heat islanding, or the alleged fudge-factor for it that is used in the simulacra. |
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On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 16:32:39 -0800 (PST), Roger Coppock
wrote: Latest Hadley Global Temperature Data Show Accelerated Warming! Please see: http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadCRUT3gl.jpg and http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadCRUT3glSLOPE.jpg The Land and Sea Surface Temperature data record an accelerated temperature increase. Here, from Hadley Centre, are the global surface temperatures from 1850 to 2010. Note that data for the last 17 years are all above the linear trend. This is the result of an accelerated warming. Please see: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/ http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/te...hadcrut3gl.txt The yearly means of these data are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadCRUT3gl.jpg Regression statistics for the line in the graph at the URL given above a Coefficients: Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(|t|) (Intercept) -8.797803 0.526408 -16.7 2e-16 Year 0.004474 0.000273 16.4 4.95e-36 Residual standard error: 0.161 on 159 degrees of freedom Multiple R-squared: 0.63 F-statistic: 269 on 1 and 159 DF, p-value: 4.95e-36 The 30-year rolling slopes for these data are graphed at the URL given below: http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadCRUT3glSLOPE.jpg Please note the rapid, 3.8 +- 0.2 K per century acceleration of global warming rates starting in 1952. I wonder what the numbers look like using HadCRUT4 which is now available. -- Denialism: "The employment of rhetorical arguments to give the appearance of legitimate debate where there is none." |
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what is the baseline for these "SSTs around Australia," since
they all are so negative in their first years?... I mean, they're hard to read in the googlplex front-end to teh newsgroups, but i could at least see *that*. what is the IPCC's rhetorical or model characterization of urban heat-islanding? http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadCRUT3glSLOPE.jpg Please note the rapid, 3.8 +- 0.2 K per century acceleration of global warming rates starting in 1952. Confirmerism:: "The employment of rhetorical arguments to, y'know. |
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A symposium celebrating the contributions of S. George Philander,
Princeton U., September 6-7, 2012. Registration, tarvel & program: www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~atw/sgp |
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well, a dead link, couldn't find it on the AOS website; so,
here are the five questions, from teh former head of Princeton's Global Fluid Dynamics Lab: What is the relative importance of the thermohaline and wind-driven components of the oceanic circulation to Earth's climate? [hint: see Philander's webpage] Do condiitions in polar regions deermine conditions in the tropics, or vise versa? Is a permanent El Nino that changes the planetary albedo, possible? [I say, no; it's just gone chaotic] What tests can records of recurrent ice Age {sic] provide for climate models? Why is global warming so polarizing !?! [heh; le tres bon mot] A symposium celebrating the contributions of S. George Philander, Princeton U., September 6-7, 2012. Registration, tarvel & program: http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/aos |
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On Fri, 4 May 2012 11:45:42 -0700 (PDT), 1treePetrifiedForestLane
wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2012 20:43:04 -0600, AGWFacts wrote: On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 16:32:39 -0800 (PST), Roger Coppock wrote: Latest Hadley Global Temperature Data Show Accelerated Warming! Please see: http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadCRUT3gl.jpg and http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadCRUT3glSLOPE.jpg The Land and Sea Surface Temperature data record an accelerated temperature increase. Here, from Hadley Centre, are the global surface temperatures from 1850 to 2010. Note that data for the last 17 years are all above the linear trend. This is the result of an accelerated warming. Please see: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/ http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/te...hadcrut3gl.txt The yearly means of these data are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadCRUT3gl.jpg Regression statistics for the line in the graph at the URL given above a Coefficients: Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(|t|) (Intercept) -8.797803 0.526408 -16.7 2e-16 Year 0.004474 0.000273 16.4 4.95e-36 Residual standard error: 0.161 on 159 degrees of freedom Multiple R-squared: 0.63 F-statistic: 269 on 1 and 159 DF, p-value: 4.95e-36 The 30-year rolling slopes for these data are graphed at the URL given below: http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadCRUT3glSLOPE.jpg Please note the rapid, 3.8 +- 0.2 K per century acceleration of global warming rates starting in 1952. I wonder what the numbers look like using HadCRUT4 which is now available. what is the baseline for these "SSTs around Australia," since they all are so negative in their first years? That dataset are you asking about? I assume you are talking about a yearly dataset, which would indeed show lower temperatures at the start and warmer temperatures at the end. The CRUTEM4 dataset baseline is the average monthly regional (five degree "square") temperature from year 1961 to year 1990. Negative numbers show the average monthly regional temperature that is below that average; postive numbers show a average monthly regional increase above that average. ... I mean, they're hard to read in the googlplex front-end to teh newsgroups, but i could at least see *that*. -- Denialism: "The employment of rhetorical arguments to give the appearance of legitimate debate where there is none." |
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![]() "AGWFacts" wrote in message ... The CRUTEM4 dataset baseline is the average monthly regional (five degree "square") temperature from year 1961 to year 1990. Negative numbers show the average monthly regional temperature that is below that average; postive numbers show a average monthly regional increase above that average. Frackers Outbid Farmers for Water in Colorado Drought By Rebecca Leber, ThinkProgress | Report http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...orado-drought/ Colorado is facing drought not seen since 2002, following the fourth-warmest and third-least-snowy winter in US history. Colorado State University scientists report that 98 percent of the state is facing these drought conditions. The drought comes after a record-breaking warm winter that left very low "snowpack levels" in water basins. "Even though the reservoir levels are still strong and northeast Colorado soil moisture is still pretty good, we just don't usually start out quite this warm and dry at this time - so this is very concerning," CSU climatologist Nolan Doesken said. "In 2002, things didn't seem that bad at the end of March, as March had been quite cool, with some snow." Colorado's hydrofracking boom - a technology that heavily relies on water - only adds additional strain as farmers and drillers bid for a scarce resource: At Colorado's premier auction for unallocated water this spring, companies that provide water for hydraulic fracturing at well sites were top bidders on supplies once claimed exclusively by farmers. [...] State officials charged with promoting and regulating the energy industry estimated that fracking required about 13,900 acre-feet in 2010. That's a small share of the total water consumed in Colorado, about 0.08 percent. However, this fast-growing share already exceeds the amount that the ski industry draws from mountain rivers for making artificial snow. Each oil or gas well drilled requires 500,000 to 5 million gallons of water. A Colorado Oil and Gas Conservation Commission report projected water needs for fracking will increase to 18,700 acre-feet a year by 2015. |
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On Fri, 4 May 2012 20:15:30 -0700 (PDT), 1treePetrifiedForestLane
wrote: A symposium celebrating the contributions of S. George Philander, Princeton U., September 6-7, 2012. Registration, tarvel & program: www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~atw/sgp http://aos.princeton.edu/philander/ Damn I wish I could attend. Thank you. -- Denialism: "The employment of rhetorical arguments to give the appearance of legitimate debate where there is none." / "We plough far too much money into universities these days." -- Catoni, thermometer denier |
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![]() "AGWFacts" wrote in message ... On Fri, 4 May 2012 20:15:30 -0700 (PDT), 1treePetrifiedForestLane wrote: A symposium celebrating the contributions of S. George Philander, Princeton U., September 6-7, 2012. Registration, tarvel & program: www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~atw/sgp http://aos.princeton.edu/philander/ Damn I wish I could attend. Thank you. I like the list of questions, but would add does it help or hurt to pour the fossil fuels back into the ocean Florida raises questions about BP settlement By Amanda Bronstad The National Law Journal The details of a proposed $7.8 billion settlement with BP PLC in the Deepwater Horizon oil spill litigation have appeased numerous critics, but Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi continues to raise concerns about whether the deal benefits all the affected residents in her state. Bondi filed a statement of interest on April 13 asking U.S. District Judge Carl Barbier to hold off on approving the deal until she and other parties had adequate opportunity to voice their concerns. The proposed settlement, which had yet to be filed in court for approval at the time she filed her statement, appeared to limit compensation to individuals and businesses along Florida's Gulf Coast, Bondi wrote, eliminating recourse for thousands of the state's residents. She added that the deal appeared to halt the claims process in violation of the Oil Pollution Act of 1990, harming those who had yet to fully assess the damage they suffered. "I am greatly concerned that we lack substantial information about the pending settlement that could have significant ramifications for Floridians and could also, among other things, eliminate short-term, interim damage claims," Bondi said. On April 18, the plaintiffs steering committee in the multidistrict litigation moved for preliminary approval of the settlement, divulging more details about the deal. "We're reviewing the filing now," Jenn Meale, a spokeswoman for Bondi, said on April 19. Florida has been a particular thorn in the side of attorneys and administrators involved in resolving oil spill claims. Last year, Bondi advocated for an independent audit of the Gulf Coast Claims Facility, the $40 billion administrative fund paid for by BP. She also led a group objecting to a proposed 6 percent "hold-back" fee assessed against those who obtained claim settlements on or after Nov. 7, 2011, through the Gulf Coast Claims Facility. |
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