On 4/15/2011 2:28 PM, Tom P wrote:
On 04/15/2011 11:15 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
On 4/15/2011 12:47 PM, Tom P wrote:
On 04/15/2011 02:03 PM, Dawlish wrote:
On Apr 15, 10:20 am, Tom wrote:
On 04/14/2011 02:54 AM, Peter Franks wrote:





On 4/13/2011 5:43 PM, ShyDavid wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:29:28 -0700, Peter
wrote:

On 4/11/2011 4:39 PM, Roger Coppock wrote:
The satellite record, in all its current interpretations,
shows that the air near the surface is warming.
For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements

The URL below is one of the more conservative records
from the University of Alabama at Huntsville.
http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.4
The global data are graphed he
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg

The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also
shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea.
http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...onthly_MSU_AMS....




The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed he
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg

The data do NOT show a continued warming. THEY SHOW INCREASING
COOLING,
WITH THE MOST RECENT DATA POINTS BEING BELOW NORMAL!!!

No. And since your graphs (below) show Earth is still warming, one
has got to wonder what the bloody hell you could possibly be lying
for.

http://members.cox.net/peter.franks/UAH-MSU.jpg

http://members.cox.net/peter.franks/RSS-MSU.jpg

How does it show the earth is still warming?

You can get a reasonably accurate fit of the temperature anomaly since
1979 by fitting a linear plus sinusoidal function to the data.
You get a linear trend of 0.14/decade plus a sinusoidal with a
cycle of
3.73 years and half amplitude of about 0.13
c.http://tinypic.com/r/10e4iac/7

Right now we are on the downward swing of the sinusoidal but it will
return to a maximum in 2013-2014.- Hide quoted text -

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Yes, thanks John. What we are seeing there is mainly ENSO noise around
a warming signal. The troughs, with the most recent, as you say, at
present, generally represent the La Ninas. If you look at the
temperature trend, joining all the troughs, there is a clear message
and it's one which has allowed me to ask a difficult question of the
climate deniers as a result. La Ninas are effectively getting warmer.
The question is; "why", when other forcings, during previous La Ninas
have not been all negative, as they afre at present.

Here's another fit - http://tinypic.com/r/28qzyp3/7
The periodic function is a sawtooth with a base period of 3.47 years in
1979 which exponentially declines (factor 3 = -0,002) to 3.9 years at
2012.
The correlation is 73%. The linear component remains 0.135/decade.

The curve fit was implemented in OpenOffice using the Sun Microsystems
Solver For Non-linear Programming 0.9.

Yes, that is fine, it is also a model. Roger's subject/post isn't about
the model, it is about the data. It DOESN'T show continued warming.

If you want to pal up w/ Roger and have him revise his subject to say
"Modeled MSU Data Show Continued Warming", have at it, and you won't
hear from me.

Peter, it's very simple. Tell us why the temperatures have dropped in
2011. And while you're at it, tell us why they -
rose in 1979, 1983, 1986, 1990, 1994, 1997, 2001, 2005, and 2009,
and why they fell in 1981, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 1999, 2003, and 2007.

Don't know, don't care; what I do know is that the latest MSU data does
not show continued warming.