On 16/12/2011 20:49, Bill Graham wrote:
AGWFacts wrote:
Yes. Take Carbon Dioxide, for example. The standard claim is that we
human beings are creating global warming by burning carbon and
creating the CO2.

"The standard claim" (i.e., the observed facts) is that humans
have added more than 110 ppm CO2 to Earth's atmosphere, raising it
from 280 ppm to over 390 ppm. The "standard claim" (i.e., observed
facts) is that this increase has raised Earth's average
temperature by 0.79c

No. You are quoting what the CO2 count is, but you have no evidence that
the count is due to Human Activity.

Actually we do have hard evidence but deniers pretend there is none.

The same labs that monitor CO2 concentration also monitor the isotopic
ratio and it is clear that the additional CO2 is coming from fossil
fuels from the increasing proportion of C12 in the atmosphere.

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/iso...-graphics.html

The graphs also show that most of it comes from the heavily
industrialised northern hemisphere - check the south pole trace.

They also monitor consumption of O2 from the atmosphere - a technically
much more difficult measurement over the past couple of decades.

http://scrippso2.ucsd.edu/

You are exposed as an anti-science lying dittohead.

The earth has warmed many times in
the past, long before Human Beings had anything to do with it. Certainly
the CO2 has risen since the industrial revolution. but measuring it has
also come about during the industrail revolution. And you can't prove
what it was a million years ago. You can't even prove what it was 200
years ago. You also can't explain why the average temperature in the
worlds 100 largest cities has gone down during the last 20 years or so.

That is utter gibberish. Most of the worlds major cities are now heat
bubbles because of airconditioning in summer and domestic central
heating maintaining higher household ambient temperature in winter.

The only ones that have cooled are where major industrial hot steelworks
and foundries have largely shut down.

Regards,
Martin Brown

On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:43:33 +0000, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 16/12/2011 20:49, Bill Graham wrote:
AGWFacts wrote:
Yes. Take Carbon Dioxide, for example. The standard claim is that we
human beings are creating global warming by burning carbon and
creating the CO2.

"The standard claim" (i.e., the observed facts) is that humans
have added more than 110 ppm CO2 to Earth's atmosphere, raising it
from 280 ppm to over 390 ppm. The "standard claim" (i.e., observed
facts) is that this increase has raised Earth's average
temperature by 0.79c

No. You are quoting what the CO2 count is, but you have no evidence that
the count is due to Human Activity.

Actually we do have hard evidence but deniers pretend there is none.

In fact I posted links to that evidence, in this article thread,
six times already.

The same labs that monitor CO2 concentration also monitor the isotopic
ratio and it is clear that the additional CO2 is coming from fossil
fuels from the increasing proportion of C12 in the atmosphere.

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/iso...-graphics.html

Yes.

The graphs also show that most of it comes from the heavily
industrialised northern hemisphere - check the south pole trace.

They also monitor consumption of O2 from the atmosphere - a technically
much more difficult measurement over the past couple of decades.

http://scrippso2.ucsd.edu/

You are exposed as an anti-science lying dittohead.

The earth has warmed many times in
the past, long before Human Beings had anything to do with it. Certainly
the CO2 has risen since the industrial revolution. but measuring it has
also come about during the industrail revolution. And you can't prove
what it was a million years ago. You can't even prove what it was 200
years ago. You also can't explain why the average temperature in the
worlds 100 largest cities has gone down during the last 20 years or so.

That is utter gibberish. Most of the worlds major cities are now heat
bubbles because of airconditioning in summer and domestic central
heating maintaining higher household ambient temperature in winter.

The only ones that have cooled are where major industrial hot steelworks
and foundries have largely shut down.

Regards,
Martin Brown


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