Col wrote:
"Keith (Southend)" wrote in
message ...

He does'nt bother more as he distracts you from those awefull
graphics !

I have to admit, I'm getting used to the graphics now.
If you can keep an eye on your region and the time, following the
rain/cloud patterns for your area gives you a better 'feel' of the
expected progression of the day's weather than the old static
symbols ever could. Indeed, I am less inclined now to 'translate'
the new graphics into wahat the ols ones would have been

Having said that, the alien invasion fleet that appears whenever
there are strong winds expected still looks silly and the lack of
synoptic charst (apart from Countryfile) is still woeful.

One thing I am looking forward to this winter is how they will deal
with snow events and more importantly rain/snow transition areas.
I wonder if we will be able to resolve more detail than with the old
graphics.


Tis funny, but I think the regional forecasts seem to be better. I can only
go from what I can see from Look North's Paul Hudson and Lisa Gallagher, but
the local ones are somewhat useful....
--
Rob Overfield
Hull

Rob Overfield wrote:

Tis funny, but I think the regional forecasts seem to be better. I can only
go from what I can see from Look North's Paul Hudson and Lisa Gallagher, but
the local ones are somewhat useful....
--
Rob Overfield
Hull


I tend to agree with you Rob, I try to see Julia on BBC East at 18:50
ish, she nearly always does animated Isobars and she's better looking
than Dan g. Sorry Dan if you're reading this :-)

--
Keith (Southend)

'Weather Home & Abroad'
http://www.southendweather.net

On 5 Oct 2005 10:25:46 GMT, Richard Dixon
wrote:

"Graham Easterling" wrote in
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Anyway, I'd much rather have him than some awful bland corporate type.

Do you think there are any bland corporate types on the Beeb at the moment?

What about David Braine down here in the SW. Is he bland? He uses
synoptics pretty regularly.
R

"Richard Dixon" wrote in message
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"Graham Easterling" wrote in
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Anyway, I'd much rather have him than some awful bland corporate type.

Do you think there are any bland corporate types on the Beeb at the
moment?
I'm all for eccentricities (e.g. Rob McElwee) but I just find Daniel
Corbett intensely annoying - I often feel he's sort of a mish-mash between
a Butlin's Red Coat and a Children's Entertainer!

To each their own, of course!

Richard

I too find him intensely annoying. Even my wife was stunned last night with
his sandbags. His forecast was inaccurate as well, as he said "watch out for
the fog in your car in the morning". There was none in the car, but quite a
lot outside!

--
David Mitchell, 70m amsl, Langtoft, East Riding of Yorkshire.

"David Mitchell" wrote in message
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"Richard Dixon" wrote in message
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"Graham Easterling" wrote in
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Anyway, I'd much rather have him than some awful bland corporate type.

Do you think there are any bland corporate types on the Beeb at the
moment?
I'm all for eccentricities (e.g. Rob McElwee) but I just find Daniel
Corbett intensely annoying - I often feel he's sort of a mish-mash between
a Butlin's Red Coat and a Children's Entertainer!

To each their own, of course!

Richard

I too find him intensely annoying. Even my wife was stunned last night with
his sandbags. His forecast was inaccurate as well, as he said "watch out for
the fog in your car in the morning". There was none in the car, but quite a
lot outside!


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ROFL it just gets better and better and better, I may have to watch him sometime
to see what the fun is all about :-)

Will.
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In article , "David Mitchell" writes:

.. His forecast was inaccurate as well, as he said "watch out for
the fog in your car in the morning". There was none in the car, but quite a
lot outside!


He didn't say that at all. What he said was "watch out for the fog, in your
car, this morning".

He was right!-)


Cheers,

keith



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London?...

"Keith Dancey" wrote in message
...



He didn't say that at all. What he said was "watch out for the fog, in
your
car, this morning".

He was right!-)


Cheers,

keith


There was no fog, in my car, this morning. I watched out for it, in my car,
this morning ;-)

In article , "Col" writes:



I have to admit, I'm getting used to the graphics now.


Surely not? Not gone over to the "Dark Side"? What about the mist? (Or
is it fog??) Why are the clouds depicted as shadows, even when seen from
hundreds of kilometers above, but mist is pale and obscuring? Why does
the rain always fall into giant floods?



If you can keep an eye on your region and the time, following the
rain/cloud patterns for your area gives you a better 'feel' of the
expected progression of the day's weather than the old static
symbols ever could.


Aha! I carefully studied the animated cloud and rain patterns for my
region while on annual leave this summer. I had various activities from
which to choose, and the pattern and the timing of the day's weather were
of prime importance in that choice. Sunnier to the east, say, or to the
west? A strange finger of cloud to the south meant postponing that journey
for another time...


The reality bore no detailed resemblance at all to the graphics!


The resolution of the graphics far exceeds the resolution of the forecast,
and I suspect that, below the forecast resolution (both temporally and
spatially) the graphics play an entirely fictional element.

Unfortunately, because the graphics is designed to impress the eye, it
misleads on integrity. It is the victory of form over content (a bit like
the Tory and Labour Party Conferences) and a lot like "Government" today:-(

To be able to display the element of doubt would be the trick, which is why
"Mickey Mouse" weather symbols were so suitable: they implied an *idea* of
cloud within the area without being specific.

So when you see those detailed isolated puddles (floods) on this expensive
graphics system, pay no attention to the locality shown. It is not accurate!
It may be a counties' width wrong, or more...


Of course, when it comes to the matter of *timing* you need a chameleon's
eye to watch the clock in the bottom right-hand corner while noting the
animated changes going on to the far left! I'm only mildly surprised they
decided not to run the latest football scores along the bottom as well.

How many independently processing eyes does a chameleon need, these days?


I must say, Will's forecast for my weeks off work were much more realistic
and better for it:-)



Having said that, the alien invasion fleet that appears whenever
there are strong winds expected still looks silly and the lack of
synoptic charst (apart from Countryfile) is still woeful.

I agree. The wind arrows tend to strobe, I find.


One thing I am looking forward to this winter is how they will deal
with snow events and more importantly rain/snow transition areas.

I'm sure some fancy whitening of the terrain will delight those incapable
of not being superficial. This package can do volcanos, too!

I wonder if we will be able to resolve more detail than with the old
graphics.

I can almost guarantee it: but it won't be accurate.


Cheers,

keith



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"Keith Dancey" wrote in message
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In article , "Col"
writes:



I have to admit, I'm getting used to the graphics now.


Surely not? Not gone over to the "Dark Side"?

I find your lack of faith in the new graphics disturbing

What about the mist? (Or is it fog??)

The mist/fog look the same as it did in the old system.

Why are the clouds depicted as shadows, even when seen from
hundreds of kilometers above, but mist is pale and obscuring? Why does
the rain always fall into giant floods?

Becasuse mist/fog obscures. We are generally affected by clouds by the
degree of shadow they cast, rather than the actual clouds themselves.
If the coulds are at ground level, they are called fog


If you can keep an eye on your region and the time, following the
rain/cloud patterns for your area gives you a better 'feel' of the
expected progression of the day's weather than the old static
symbols ever could.


Aha! I carefully studied the animated cloud and rain patterns for my
region while on annual leave this summer. I had various activities from
which to choose, and the pattern and the timing of the day's weather were
of prime importance in that choice. Sunnier to the east, say, or to the
west? A strange finger of cloud to the south meant postponing that journey
for another time...


The reality bore no detailed resemblance at all to the graphics!

This was one of my initial criticisms of the system.
On a 'sunny intervals' type day I could see that there was a clear patch
above Bolton at 2pm, but at that time it could quite easily have been
cloudy. Was the forecast wrong?
But now I can see beyond interpreting every little dark patch as a
definite indication of cloud at that precise time and see it more as
another way of depicting 'sunny intervals'.


The resolution of the graphics far exceeds the resolution of the forecast,
and I suspect that, below the forecast resolution (both temporally and
spatially) the graphics play an entirely fictional element.

Unfortunately, because the graphics is designed to impress the eye, it
misleads on integrity. It is the victory of form over content (a bit like
the Tory and Labour Party Conferences) and a lot like "Government" today:-(

To be able to display the element of doubt would be the trick, which is why
"Mickey Mouse" weather symbols were so suitable: they implied an *idea* of
cloud within the area without being specific.

But so does the new system. The speckling of light/dark areas that means
sunny intervals means exactly that to the public.
Only us lot would pore over it and tut when the day's sunny cloudy spells
didn't exactly correspond to what was forecast

So when you see those detailed isolated puddles (floods) on this expensive
graphics system, pay no attention to the locality shown. It is not accurate!
It may be a counties' width wrong, or more...


Of course, when it comes to the matter of *timing* you need a chameleon's
eye to watch the clock in the bottom right-hand corner while noting the
animated changes going on to the far left! I'm only mildly surprised they
decided not to run the latest football scores along the bottom as well.

It's easy enough, and I live half way up the TV screen!
For those in the SE, the most important bit of course, it should be even easier.

But as I have already pointed out, it's the ebb and flow of the cloud/rain
or even the *idea* of cloud rain that is far better.
You simply never got that with the old symbols which at best gave an
indication of morning/afternoon/evening for a day's weather.
Take the front that has been lurking off NW Scotland all week.
The graphics have shown it moving nearer then retreating before finally
being forecast to move through on Saturday. Now under the old system you
would *never* have got that feeling of movement and ebbing and flowing.
The weather is of course a continuous process, not just conveniently
sliced into segments known as 'morning', 'afternoon', and 'evening'.

Col
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Bolton, Lancashire.
160m asl.

Richard Dixon wrote:
Dear All,

Can I have some of what Daniel Corbett's on? Was very insistent on calling
the high pressure around at the moment a "sandbag".

Cheers
Richard

Could be Paul Bartlettitis. The term "slug" for the Bartlett High ended
up in the usw FAQ (:

Les

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