I wrote last night on this but it became submerged in a mass of other
postings, and produced not a single reaction

If we are to lose Meteosat images that will be a huge disappointment to
many.

Would it be possible for members of uk.sci.weather as a bona fide
science group to club together and get a licence for Meteosat Second
Generation images? I seem to recall that the licence fee for an
academic body is around 10,000 euros per year. Divide that by say 200
subscribers and it works out at £30 each. Some password system, or
e-mail list to subscribers, would ensure that the satellite images
would only be available to those who have paid.

This would all take a lot of sorting out, but I for one would severely
miss the satpics (from Meteosat 7) that we get at present. The
financial aspects of administering such a system would be daunting, but
not impossible.

Bernard might have some comments on this.

Jack

In message .com,
writes
I wrote last night on this but it became submerged in a mass of other
postings, and produced not a single reaction

If we are to lose Meteosat images that will be a huge disappointment to
many.

Would it be possible for members of uk.sci.weather as a bona fide
science group to club together and get a licence for Meteosat Second
Generation images? I seem to recall that the licence fee for an
academic body is around 10,000 euros per year. Divide that by say 200
subscribers and it works out at £30 each. Some password system, or
e-mail list to subscribers, would ensure that the satellite images
would only be available to those who have paid.

This would all take a lot of sorting out, but I for one would severely
miss the satpics (from Meteosat 7) that we get at present. The
financial aspects of administering such a system would be daunting, but
not impossible.

Bernard might have some comments on this.

Jack


I think the issue Jack is the dissemination of images. Some like myself
have a free licence from the Met Office to receive the full data sets,
shortly to be joined by the METOP data. What Eumetsat will not allow
though is the re-broadcasting of those images which would then impinge
on their commercial operation.

I must admit to not being wholly sure as to what their views are with
regard to LRIT reproduction. Perhaps even the lower resolution pictures
are too good (and too many channels) now for free and immediate
availability.

I am one of those who mourns the passing of WEFAX - for the sake of
others, but I guess that's progress.

Cheers,
James
--
James Brown

Jack, I am not sure what service you will lose. Do you have a receiver setup
for Meteosat7? If so you will need to install hardware/software and obtain
licences to receive the MSG satellites. If you do this as part of a
commercial operation, you will probably have to pay for the licence, but if
you are a private individual or academic institution, you will not have to
pay a licence fee. You should contact EUMETSAT or the Met Office to discuss
usage if you want to, say, set up a display for the gliding club.
Otherwise, you can always see meteosat8 animations on the eumetsat web site
at:
http://www.eumetsat.int/

--
Bernard Burton
Wokingham, Berkshire, UK.

Satellite images at:
www.btinternet.com/~wokingham.weather/wwp.html
wrote in message
oups.com...
I wrote last night on this but it became submerged in a mass of other
postings, and produced not a single reaction

If we are to lose Meteosat images that will be a huge disappointment to
many.

Would it be possible for members of uk.sci.weather as a bona fide
science group to club together and get a licence for Meteosat Second
Generation images? I seem to recall that the licence fee for an
academic body is around 10,000 euros per year. Divide that by say 200
subscribers and it works out at £30 each. Some password system, or
e-mail list to subscribers, would ensure that the satellite images
would only be available to those who have paid.

This would all take a lot of sorting out, but I for one would severely
miss the satpics (from Meteosat 7) that we get at present. The
financial aspects of administering such a system would be daunting, but
not impossible.

Bernard might have some comments on this.

Jack

Bernard did explain before about setting up a receiver for Meteosat,
but frankly I simply could not manage the technicalities involved.
Equally, the bureaucratic legalise on the Eumetsat site, clearly with a
major input from accountants, leaves me bored - I gave up.

I have to say that my inability to understand things that other might
find easy is not an age factor. I would have understood these
particular things no better 30 or 40 years ago. My brain never has
worked like that and is not likely to start doing so now.
(I am incidentally, BANNED from attempting any DIY in the house!)

Bernard's satpics are brilliant as far as they go, but he is
(seemingly) stuck with a three hour frequency. But these combined with
the hourly Met Office ones from Meteosat 7 enable a pretty good handle
to be kept on things. But if we lose the hourly ones .......

I guess that when the old Meteosat is decommissioned, people like me
will simply have to make do with infrequent images at a long time
interval. But, for example, extrapolation (of eg, cloud movement)
although even now having to be used with caution, will become
impossible. Meteosat images will of course be useful for checking
AFTER the event, but useless for the here and now. But as someone
says, this is progress! (?)

I am not even asking for the images to be free. A modest amount would
be perfectly acceptable. Maybe there is an option at Eumetsat of
pay-as-you-go, but I didn't find it. I happily subscribe today to
Secure Met Office and get a few extras that are not available free.
Maybe MSG might be part of a package in future. I don't know. I
just fear suddenly losing all Meteosat "real time" images from this
summer.

Jack

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ups.com...
Bernard did explain before about setting up a receiver for Meteosat,
but frankly I simply could not manage the technicalities involved.
Equally, the bureaucratic legalise on the Eumetsat site, clearly with a
major input from accountants, leaves me bored - I gave up.

Jack,

Aren't these images from MSG ? I assume you are wanting far greater
resolution ?
http://wind.met.fu-berlin.de/cgi-bin...laymode=Endlos

Joe

Yes I knew about that. But will it still be available from this coming
June?

Greater resolution would be a huge improvement of course.

Jack

Jack

"Would it be possible for members of uk.sci.weather as a bona fide
science group to club together and get a licence for Meteosat Second
Generation images? I seem to recall that the licence fee for an
academic body is around 10,000 euros per year. Divide that by say 200
subscribers and it works out at £30 each. Some password system, or
e-mail list to subscribers, would ensure that the satellite images
would only be available to those who have paid"


Hi Jack,
that sounds a good idea but I was hoping that the improvements to the Met
Office Aviation Briefing service this year would include 15 min MSG data at
the current subscription price.
Any chance Jon?
best regards,
Alan
--
Wirral,Merseyside. 53.1 N 3.0 W 40m amsl
http://www.wirralcam.com/frame.htm

"Alan Duckers" wrote in message
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Hi Jack,
that sounds a good idea but I was hoping that the improvements to the Met
Office Aviation Briefing service this year would include 15 min MSG data
at
the current subscription price.
Any chance Jon?

Unfortunately I'm not aware of any immediate plans to include this data,
Alan.
Even so it's worth sending your requests to
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/aviation/avi01.html

Jon.

Unfortunately I'm not aware of any immediate plans to include this data,
Alan.
Even so it's worth sending your requests to
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/aviation/avi01.html

Jon.

Thanks Jon I will send the request to the address above,
best regards,
Alan



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I too sent a request and even offered to pay a miserly sum - now
mention of money should get the Met Office to prick up its ears!

Jack