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=== This forecast represents the *PERSONAL OPINION* of the Chief forecaster at the privately run Haytor meteorological office in Devon on how the weather may unfold next week. The Chief forecaster will take no responsibility whatsoever for any actions arising from its use. It is provided freely in the spirit of freedom and the great love for meteorology that we personally enjoy and wish to share freely with others. ================================================== ============================== === Summary valid for Sunday 26/02/06 to Saturday 04/03/06/ TOI (time of issue) Thursday 23/02/06 1930 UK local time This summary is based on a quick appraisal of the GFS, JMA, ECMWF, UKMO, FAX, and ENS (NCEP ensemble) labelled charts available from the superb http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten First a few words about last week's forecast which was not up to the usual standard. Main error was that the deep low on Sunday tracked further south than expected and so rain was not as heavy nor last as long as expected. Because the rain was not as heavy it did not turn to snow at low levels or even over low hills on Dartmoor. Knock on effects were that the low-level flow was not as strong and was slower in advecting colder air from the east, hence really cold weather did not arrive till mid-week in lowland England. Also in the north some milder air got dragged over the top of the high to return today as a warm front coming in from the northeast - not picked up last thursday. So I apologise for those errors. OK, this Sunday and Monday look like being cold and bright days with plenty of sunshine around especially in the north. The sun is now strong enough to melt lying snow quickly. In southern England a strong east wind will persist, probably bringing some wintry showers, especially to Devon and Cornwall giving more snow over the moors. Staying cold with frost at night, locally severe over snow cover away from the south. On Tuesday and Wednesday the development of a cyclonic northerly regime as the high retreats to Iceland/Greenland area will bring very cold air south to all areas. Potentially then a lot of snow in exposed northern and eastern areas with drifting in the strong to gale force northerly winds. On the other hand many inland areas, such as the Midlands and large parts of southern england will stay dry with sunny spells. Severe frost in sheltered areas at night. Always the risk of troughs/polar lows coming south bringing more widespread snow, troghs more likely to affect western areas such as west Wales and Devon and Cornwall. For the rest of the week indications are that the northerly flow will ease gradually and many inland areas should stay dry and bright but very cold with frost at night, possibly some fog later too. More snow in exposed northern, eastern and some western areas. So to summarise, very high confidence for cold weather to continue all week. Moderate confidence for some very heavy snowfall with local blizzards in exposed northern and eastern areas. Low confidence for significant snow elsewhere, exposed western areas more likely than inland central parts which could stay dry throughout the week. Outlook for the following week beginning 5/3/06. Rain, preceeded by snow spreading to all areas by midweek, then mild and changeable. Low confidence in this change. Finally here is the Dartmoor winter walking and sledging forecast for the weekend of 26th/27th February 2006. Well what can I say! Excellent winter walking and sledging prospects all weekend. Snow may turn a bit soft and melt below 300m asl on Saturday but by Sunday colder air and a frosty night will ensure optimum winter conditions. Enjoy, but take care on the high plateau as wind chill will be severe. Snow tyres/chains/4WD may be necessary if driving on the more remote upland tracks. Temperatures -1 to +3 deg C depending on altitude and sunshine. Confidence high for the best weekend of the winter so far Will Hand Chief forecaster Last week's forecast below as usual ================================================== ============================== == Summary valid for Sunday 19/02/06 to Saturday 25/02/06/ TOI (time of issue) Thursday 16/02/06 2000 UK local time This summary is based on a quick appraisal of the GFS, JMA, ECMWF, UKMO, FAX, and ENS (NCEP ensemble) labelled charts available from the superb http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten Moderate confidence that this week will see the first widespread snowfall of the winter in England and Wales. Possible disruption to transport services. Very high confidence, however, that the week will be very cold with northeasterly winds setting in. On Sunday a developing low will track east across northern France and then become slow moving over Belgium and Holland before filling up by midweek and then drifting south. The low will spread rain eastwards across southern coastal counties on Sunday morning with strengthening east or northeast winds. The rain will turn heavy and persistent giving a spell of snow above 400m asl. Track uncertain, so northern edge uncertain. Later in the day as the low turns slightly northeast the rain will spread into much of SE England and the Midlands and during the evening will turn increasingly to sleet and snow on hills above about 150m asl. During the night the precipitation should drift eastwards with SW England becoming mainly dry but by Monday morning sleet and snow will be falling at low levels as temperatures fall to freezing giving a covering of snow in east and SE England. Lower risk of snowfall further west and north but certainly possible. Scotland and Northern Ireland will be cold and showery with sleet and snow on high ground. NW England showery with wintry showers on hills but possibly some rain, sleet and snow getting into NE England on Monday. Winds fresh to strong northeasterly in the south and east with some drifting snow on high ground. Moderate to fresh winds further north. On Tuesday and Wednesday moderate to fresh, locally strong, east or northeasterly winds will bring further spells of rain, sleet and snow to all areas. Rain mainly near the coast and on very low ground but inland, and especially over hills, several centimetres of snow are likely in exposed places. East and SE England seem likely to catch most snow. However, SW England (especially moors) could get some heavy snow on Wednesday as a front brushes by from the east. NW England and Scotland and Northern Ireland, brighter but still with wintry showers and some drifting on high ground. For the rest of the week the trend will be for pressure to build to the north of Britain, so staying very cold and much drier in the north with severe frost setting in at night. Further sleet and snow showers in the south and east with frost at night. Drifting of lying snow in the moderate to fresh winds in the south. Outlook for the following week with low to moderate confidence is for it to stay very cold with severe overnight frosts and further sleet and snow at times. Finally here is the Dartmoor winter walking and sledging forecast for the weekend of 18th/19th February 2006. Saturday looks like being mainly cloudy with spells of rain. Possibly some sleet and snow above 500m asl. Some sunny intervals below 300m asl. On Sunday rain with snow above 400m asl will set in during the early hours. Winds will become easterly fresh to strong with local gales on the south moor where blizzard and dangerous whiteout conditions are possible on the plateau for a time. Rain turning increasingly to snow at all levels during the day but also tending to die out from the west. Confidence moderate. Temperatures generally 1-4 deg C but falling to freezing above 300m asl by end of Sunday. Walkers are advised to get an up to date weather check before venturing out on Sunday. Sledging conditions could become good on Sunday afternoon but strong winds and heavy snow may make access difficult, also drifting could become a problem. ================================================== ============================== ===== " Ah yet another day to enjoy " ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A COL BH site in East Dartmoor at Haytor, Devon 310m asl (1017 feet). mailto: www: http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm DISCLAIMER - All views and opinions expressed by myself are personal and do not necessarily represent those of my employer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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![]() "Will Hand" wrote in message ... ================================================== ============================== === This forecast represents the *PERSONAL OPINION* of the Chief forecaster at the privately run Haytor meteorological office in Devon on how the weather may unfold next week. The Chief forecaster will take no responsibility whatsoever for any actions arising from its use. It is provided freely in the spirit of freedom and the great love for meteorology that we personally enjoy and wish to share freely with others. ================================================== ============================== === Summary valid for Sunday 26/02/06 to Saturday 04/03/06/ TOI (time of issue) Thursday 23/02/06 1930 UK local time This summary is based on a quick appraisal of the GFS, JMA, ECMWF, UKMO, FAX, and ENS (NCEP ensemble) labelled charts available from the superb http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten Considering you take alot of notice of the gfs and other charts whats your take on the low pressure system close to the east and se sunday night? |
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"Will Hand" wrote in message
... ================================================== ========================== ==== === First a few words about last week's forecast which was not up to the usual standard. Well the risk of snow was certainly there and, IIRC, snow was still being catered for right up until the end of the event (admittedly for high ground) and there was snow (mostly showers) in the SE late Monday/early Tuesday. See Norwich at 2050Z on Monday and later in the night at Luton. snip So I apologise for those errors. No need IMHO. You did your best with the information available at the time. Can't ask for more than that. OK, this Sunday and Monday look like being cold and bright days with plenty of sunshine around especially in the north. The sun is now strong enough to melt lying snow quickly. In southern England a strong east wind will persist, probably bringing some wintry showers, especially to Devon and Cornwall giving more snow over the moors. I'm 100% confident of heavy snow in Devon next week.. while I'm in the Arctic* ! Jon. *north of the Arctic circle anyway |
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Yes, thanks Will and thanks for explaining where the changes occured to help
us understand. Some forecasters would have claimed accuracy as it was a cold week and did snow today! .... and Jon, don't forget to blow hard southwards next week and let's hope we all enjoy what looks like a nice week one way or another. Dave "Jon O'Rourke" wrote in message ... "Will Hand" wrote in message ... ================================================== ========================== ==== === First a few words about last week's forecast which was not up to the usual standard. Well the risk of snow was certainly there and, IIRC, snow was still being catered for right up until the end of the event (admittedly for high ground) and there was snow (mostly showers) in the SE late Monday/early Tuesday. See Norwich at 2050Z on Monday and later in the night at Luton. snip So I apologise for those errors. No need IMHO. You did your best with the information available at the time. Can't ask for more than that. OK, this Sunday and Monday look like being cold and bright days with plenty of sunshine around especially in the north. The sun is now strong enough to melt lying snow quickly. In southern England a strong east wind will persist, probably bringing some wintry showers, especially to Devon and Cornwall giving more snow over the moors. I'm 100% confident of heavy snow in Devon next week.. while I'm in the Arctic* ! Jon. *north of the Arctic circle anyway |
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Hi Will,
Thanks for your thoughts. I never have much confidence in Northerlies for my part of the world. 'Lows' and other 'features' forecast, never really materialise and the North, NE (and West to a lesser extent) usually do best. And, Northerlies usually disappoint form *most places* in recent times. Best regards, Danny. P.S I find it interesting that a "Northerly" is 95% of the time a North -WESTERLY. ![]() -------------------------------------------------------------- "Will Hand" wrote in message ... ================================================== ========================== ==== === This forecast represents the *PERSONAL OPINION* of the Chief forecaster at the privately run Haytor meteorological office in Devon on how the weather may unfold next week. The Chief forecaster will take no responsibility whatsoever for any actions arising from its use. It is provided freely in the spirit of freedom and the great love for meteorology that we personally enjoy and wish to share freely with others. ================================================== ========================== ==== === Summary valid for Sunday 26/02/06 to Saturday 04/03/06/ TOI (time of issue) Thursday 23/02/06 1930 UK local time This summary is based on a quick appraisal of the GFS, JMA, ECMWF, UKMO, FAX, and ENS (NCEP ensemble) labelled charts available from the superb http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten First a few words about last week's forecast which was not up to the usual standard. Main error was that the deep low on Sunday tracked further south than expected and so rain was not as heavy nor last as long as expected. Because the rain was not as heavy it did not turn to snow at low levels or even over low hills on Dartmoor. Knock on effects were that the low-level flow was not as strong and was slower in advecting colder air from the east, hence really cold weather did not arrive till mid-week in lowland England. Also in the north some milder air got dragged over the top of the high to return today as a warm front coming in from the northeast - not picked up last thursday. So I apologise for those errors. OK, this Sunday and Monday look like being cold and bright days with plenty of sunshine around especially in the north. The sun is now strong enough to melt lying snow quickly. In southern England a strong east wind will persist, probably bringing some wintry showers, especially to Devon and Cornwall giving more snow over the moors. Staying cold with frost at night, locally severe over snow cover away from the south. On Tuesday and Wednesday the development of a cyclonic northerly regime as the high retreats to Iceland/Greenland area will bring very cold air south to all areas. Potentially then a lot of snow in exposed northern and eastern areas with drifting in the strong to gale force northerly winds. On the other hand many inland areas, such as the Midlands and large parts of southern england will stay dry with sunny spells. Severe frost in sheltered areas at night. Always the risk of troughs/polar lows coming south bringing more widespread snow, troghs more likely to affect western areas such as west Wales and Devon and Cornwall. For the rest of the week indications are that the northerly flow will ease gradually and many inland areas should stay dry and bright but very cold with frost at night, possibly some fog later too. More snow in exposed northern, eastern and some western areas. So to summarise, very high confidence for cold weather to continue all week. Moderate confidence for some very heavy snowfall with local blizzards in exposed northern and eastern areas. Low confidence for significant snow elsewhere, exposed western areas more likely than inland central parts which could stay dry throughout the week. Outlook for the following week beginning 5/3/06. Rain, preceeded by snow spreading to all areas by midweek, then mild and changeable. Low confidence in this change. Finally here is the Dartmoor winter walking and sledging forecast for the weekend of 26th/27th February 2006. Well what can I say! Excellent winter walking and sledging prospects all weekend. Snow may turn a bit soft and melt below 300m asl on Saturday but by Sunday colder air and a frosty night will ensure optimum winter conditions. Enjoy, but take care on the high plateau as wind chill will be severe. Snow tyres/chains/4WD may be necessary if driving on the more remote upland tracks. Temperatures -1 to +3 deg C depending on altitude and sunshine. Confidence high for the best weekend of the winter so far Will Hand Chief forecaster Last week's forecast below as usual ================================================== ========================== ==== == Summary valid for Sunday 19/02/06 to Saturday 25/02/06/ TOI (time of issue) Thursday 16/02/06 2000 UK local time This summary is based on a quick appraisal of the GFS, JMA, ECMWF, UKMO, FAX, and ENS (NCEP ensemble) labelled charts available from the superb http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten Moderate confidence that this week will see the first widespread snowfall of the winter in England and Wales. Possible disruption to transport services. Very high confidence, however, that the week will be very cold with northeasterly winds setting in. On Sunday a developing low will track east across northern France and then become slow moving over Belgium and Holland before filling up by midweek and then drifting south. The low will spread rain eastwards across southern coastal counties on Sunday morning with strengthening east or northeast winds. The rain will turn heavy and persistent giving a spell of snow above 400m asl. Track uncertain, so northern edge uncertain. Later in the day as the low turns slightly northeast the rain will spread into much of SE England and the Midlands and during the evening will turn increasingly to sleet and snow on hills above about 150m asl. During the night the precipitation should drift eastwards with SW England becoming mainly dry but by Monday morning sleet and snow will be falling at low levels as temperatures fall to freezing giving a covering of snow in east and SE England. Lower risk of snowfall further west and north but certainly possible. Scotland and Northern Ireland will be cold and showery with sleet and snow on high ground. NW England showery with wintry showers on hills but possibly some rain, sleet and snow getting into NE England on Monday. Winds fresh to strong northeasterly in the south and east with some drifting snow on high ground. Moderate to fresh winds further north. On Tuesday and Wednesday moderate to fresh, locally strong, east or northeasterly winds will bring further spells of rain, sleet and snow to all areas. Rain mainly near the coast and on very low ground but inland, and especially over hills, several centimetres of snow are likely in exposed places. East and SE England seem likely to catch most snow. However, SW England (especially moors) could get some heavy snow on Wednesday as a front brushes by from the east. NW England and Scotland and Northern Ireland, brighter but still with wintry showers and some drifting on high ground. For the rest of the week the trend will be for pressure to build to the north of Britain, so staying very cold and much drier in the north with severe frost setting in at night. Further sleet and snow showers in the south and east with frost at night. Drifting of lying snow in the moderate to fresh winds in the south. Outlook for the following week with low to moderate confidence is for it to stay very cold with severe overnight frosts and further sleet and snow at times. Finally here is the Dartmoor winter walking and sledging forecast for the weekend of 18th/19th February 2006. Saturday looks like being mainly cloudy with spells of rain. Possibly some sleet and snow above 500m asl. Some sunny intervals below 300m asl. On Sunday rain with snow above 400m asl will set in during the early hours. Winds will become easterly fresh to strong with local gales on the south moor where blizzard and dangerous whiteout conditions are possible on the plateau for a time. Rain turning increasingly to snow at all levels during the day but also tending to die out from the west. Confidence moderate. Temperatures generally 1-4 deg C but falling to freezing above 300m asl by end of Sunday. Walkers are advised to get an up to date weather check before venturing out on Sunday. Sledging conditions could become good on Sunday afternoon but strong winds and heavy snow may make access difficult, also drifting could become a problem. ================================================== ========================== ==== ===== " Ah yet another day to enjoy " -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- A COL BH site in East Dartmoor at Haytor, Devon 310m asl (1017 feet). mailto: www: http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm DISCLAIMER - All views and opinions expressed by myself are personal and do not necessarily represent those of my employer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- |
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danny (west kent) wrote:
Hi Will, Thanks for your thoughts. I never have much confidence in Northerlies for my part of the world. 'Lows' and other 'features' forecast, never really materialise and the North, NE (and West to a lesser extent) usually do best. And, Northerlies usually disappoint form *most places* in recent times. Best regards, Danny. I wish there would disappoint here next week then! P.S I find it interesting that a "Northerly" is 95% of the time a North -WESTERLY. ![]() snipped Generally so. -- Rob Overfield Hull |
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