"Nick G" wrote in
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According to my weather book, 30C occurred on the 16th of April 1949
in London.
snip

Yes, but that's (I assume) the earliest date on which 30°C *was* reached.
My point was whether 13th June was the latest date on which is has *not*
(ever) been reached.

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Bewdley, Worcs. ~90m asl.

David Buttery wrote:
"Nick G" wrote in
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According to my weather book, 30C occurred on the 16th of April 1949
in London.
snip

Yes, but that's (I assume) the earliest date on which 30°C *was*
reached. My point was whether 13th June was the latest date on which
is has *not* (ever) been reached.

Surely that is just a statistical artefact caused by the short (in
statistical terms) climatological record, and as such is meaningless.

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"Stuart Brooks" wrote in message
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Surely that is just a statistical artefact caused by the short (in
statistical terms) climatological record, and as such is meaningless.

It's not meaningless, just not particularly significant from
as climatalogical point of view. But it's still of interest.

Col
--
Bolton, Lancashire.
160m asl.

"John Hall" wrote in message
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Also I think the body acclimatises to a degree over the course of the
summer, so that one can cope a little better in August than in June.
Against that, I think the nights tend to be hotter in August heatwaves
than they are in June, and hot sticky nights when it's hard to sleep are
perhaps the most unpleasant feature of heatwaves.

And the sun is of course rather less fierce by the time you get to
August. On average June nights might be cooler, but I've just beaten
my all time highest minimum record. 18.2C beating the 18.0C
recorded on July 3rd 2001. Given the right conditions, i.e. a warm
flow but cloudy the short nights at this time of year can clearly be
very warm. What is most surprising is that this reading was in air
behind a supposed *cold* front!

Col
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"John Hall" wrote in message
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Also I think the body acclimatises to a degree over the course of the
summer, so that one can cope a little better in August than in June.

Yes, but I'd prefer to not have the need to acclimatise.

Against that, I think the nights tend to be hotter in August heatwaves
than they are in June, and hot sticky nights when it's hard to sleep are
perhaps the most unpleasant feature of heatwaves.

Doesn't need to be sticky - the heat alone is enough to make sleeping
difficult. Even my normal practice of pre-cooling a pillow in the
freezer doesn't work for long.

To be honest despite the sweatiness and the hayfever I much prefer the
current conditions compared to the last two weeks in May.

That is so *not* true for me!
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If it is broken, guess who forecasted it!

:-)

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"David Buttery" wrote in message
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Looking at the highest recorded maxima for the UK for each date on the
TORRO website, I notice that the record for the 13th June (Tuesday) is a
relatively low 28.3°C, set in 1896 and equalled in both 1948 and 1994. I
would have thought that particular record might have a reasonable chance of
being broken this coming Tuesday.

I've also been wondering whether that is the latest date on which 30°C has
not been reached - if so, it's at least conceivable that record could fall
as well - but the TORRO site seems to be unavailable at the moment (and
that particular page isn't cached by Google) so I haven't been able to
check.

--
Bewdley, Worcs. ~90m asl.

Col wrote:
"Stuart Brooks" wrote in message
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Surely that is just a statistical artefact caused by the short (in
statistical terms) climatological record, and as such is meaningless.

It's not meaningless, just not particularly significant from
as climatalogical point of view. But it's still of interest.

Col

Is it newsworthy though? As in worth getting misquoted in newspapers, as
though a real particularly significant event had just occurred.

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"Stuart Brooks" wrote in news:448ca91c$0$69356
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Is it newsworthy though? As in worth getting misquoted in newspapers, as
though a real particularly significant event had just occurred.

I never said it was! I just think it's vaguely interesting that 30 degrees
has not been recorded on 13th June, and that this is indeed (as I can now
tell as TORRO is back up) the latest date on which this has occurred. I
really don't see why something has to be newsworthy and "particularly
significant" to be mentioned as an interesting aside.

--
Bewdley, Worcs. ~90m asl.

David Buttery wrote:
"Stuart Brooks" wrote in news:448ca91c$0$69356
:

Is it newsworthy though? As in worth getting misquoted in
newspapers, as though a real particularly significant event had just
occurred.

I never said it was! I just think it's vaguely interesting that 30
degrees has not been recorded on 13th June, and that this is indeed
(as I can now tell as TORRO is back up) the latest date on which this
has occurred. I really don't see why something has to be newsworthy
and "particularly significant" to be mentioned as an interesting
aside.

I agree, I was really referring to the emerging phenomenon of these daily
records being broken being reported by the press as cataclysmic events.
There is some value to these daily figures (eg highlighting that a
particular temperature has never before been achieved in early May but has
in late May - this could be an important climatological event) but the 13th
June business is just a statistical anomaly (albeit interesting to
statisticians if not climatologists) which is bound to right itself sooner
or later. And when it does it will not be significant climtologically
speaking (unless it also breaks 40C :@ ). The fact that Edinburgh of all
places has recorded 29C almost a month earlier demonstrates the point
nicely!
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"Stuart Brooks" wrote in
:

I agree, I was really referring to the emerging phenomenon of these
daily records being broken being reported by the press as cataclysmic
events.
snip

Agreed.

the 13th June business is just a statistical anomaly
(albeit interesting to statisticians if not climatologists)
snip

Heh, well, I did do some stats at university, so that might explain it! And
as it happens, here's another vaguely interesting point: if that 32°C at
Heathrow yesterday is confirmed, then it looks as though it will be a
record for 12th June.

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