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https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/...sstanomaly.gif

Somethings completely different with this image. All the arctic SST
anomalies are negative (blue), the last few years we have been seeing
nothing but reds and yellows. Is something going on up there?
--
Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
e-mail: kreh at southendweather dot net

"Keith (Southend)G" wrote in message
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https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/...sstanomaly.gif

Somethings completely different with this image. All the arctic SST
anomalies are negative (blue), the last few years we have been seeing
nothing but reds and yellows. Is something going on up there?
--
Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
e-mail: kreh at southendweather dot net


Yep it's all that ice melt combined with the fall in Arctic sea levels at a
2mm per year . This combined has produced negative sea temperatures. Of
course I have no proof whats so ever for this but will you accept my Nectar
card as ID

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https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/....NCODA.glbl_ss
tanomaly.gif

Somethings completely different with this image. All the arctic SST
anomalies are negative (blue), the last few years we have been seeing
nothing but reds and yellows. Is something going on up there?
--
Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
e-mail: kreh at southendweather dot net


I noticed that as well Keith - it seemed to suddenly change, and having
checked with one of the other SST anomaly sites I think I would
personally conclude it is a website or database/programming anomaly. Not
sure who to contact to get it corrected though.

Cheers
James
--
James Brown

"James Brown" wrote in message
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| In message .com,
| "Keith (Southend)G" writes
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| through tonight*
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| https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/....NCODA.glbl_ss
| tanomaly.gif
|
| Somethings completely different with this image. All the arctic SST
| anomalies are negative (blue), the last few years we have been seeing
| nothing but reds and yellows. Is something going on up there?
| --
| Keith (Southend)
| http://www.southendweather.net
| e-mail: kreh at southendweather dot net
|
|
| I noticed that as well Keith - it seemed to suddenly change, and having
| checked with one of the other SST anomaly sites I think I would
| personally conclude it is a website or database/programming anomaly. Not
| sure who to contact to get it corrected though.
|

I'm sure you're right. Until very recently the NCODA chart had all the ice
area "blanked out", ie it only showed the greenish colour for no anomaly.
Now, large areas of ice covered sea are showing dark blue. That would be OK
if this indicated ice that should have melted by now, but I suspect actually
we are no longer comparing "like with like".

A better tell-tale is surely the the fringe of bright red and orange colours
where open water several degrees above the nominal -2C for freezing seawater
is present where climatologically ice should be. From the ice concentration
images, it looks like the NE passage will very soon be open, and the NW
passage is also thawing quickly. And, once again, the Labrador Current has
been partly cut off and sea surface temperatures around Nova Scotia are
several degrees above normal.

I suspect another low sea-ice year is in prospect, especially after reports
that some fjords in Svalbard (Spitzbergen) which normally freeze over at
least partially have remained open this last winter.
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Yokel wrote:

"James Brown" wrote in message
...
| In message .com,
| "Keith (Southend)G" writes
|
https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/....NCODA.glbl_ss
| tanomaly.gif
|
| Somethings completely different with this image. All the arctic SST
| anomalies are negative (blue), the last few years we have been seeing
| nothing but reds and yellows. Is something going on up there?
|
| I noticed that as well Keith - it seemed to suddenly change, and having
| checked with one of the other SST anomaly sites I think I would
| personally conclude it is a website or database/programming anomaly. Not
| sure who to contact to get it corrected though.
|

I'm sure you're right. Until very recently the NCODA chart had all the ice
area "blanked out", ie it only showed the greenish colour for no anomaly.
Now, large areas of ice covered sea are showing dark blue. That would be
OK if this indicated ice that should have melted by now, but I suspect
actually we are no longer comparing "like with like".

I'm sure you're correct. I wonder whether the computer work for this has
been handled by programmers who know little or nothing about oceanography?


A better tell-tale is surely the the fringe of bright red and orange
colours where open water several degrees above the nominal -2C for
freezing seawater is present where climatologically ice should be. From
the ice concentration images, it looks like the NE passage will very soon
be open, and the NW passage is also thawing quickly. And, once again, the
Labrador Current has been partly cut off and sea surface temperatures
around Nova Scotia are several degrees above normal.

The NE passage has ice conditions that are worse than last year, as does the
western part of the NW passage. Barents Sea, Hudson Bay, and Baffin Bay are
lighter than last year. It appears as though the winds this winter and
spring have, for the most part, been blowing from the Barents Sea area
towards the Bering Strait.

One difference I noticed this year that I've never seen before is the
smaller amount of fast ice (solid ice-sheet attached to the land) in the
Canadian Arctic. In particular the Amundsen Gulf was covered with pack-ice
instead of fast ice. Also the fast-ice edge in McClure Strait is a couple
of hundred miles East of its usual position. This suggests its been a very
mild winter in that area.


I suspect another low sea-ice year is in prospect, especially after
reports that some fjords in Svalbard (Spitzbergen) which normally freeze
over at least partially have remained open this last winter.

The southern edge of the pack-ice in that area this winter was, at times,
further north than ever recorded - even in summer.

If the wind pattern continues as it has for the past six months or more, the
ice cover in the Arctic may be larger this summer than last. The ice will
not be forced out of the Arctic as much as it has been in the last couple
of years.

--
Graham Davis
Bracknell

Keith (Southend)G wrote:




https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/...sstanomaly.gif

Somethings completely different with this image. All the arctic SST
anomalies are negative (blue), the last few years we have been seeing
nothing but reds and yellows. Is something going on up there?

Looks a load of rubbish. How can they come up with a negative anomaly for an
ice-covered area which is normally ice-covered such as the Canadian Arctic?
They've either got a problem with their normals, their data, their program
logic, or the lot. The blue area in the Barents Sea, where it's ice-free
and normally ice-covered is almost as stupid. Perhaps they don't apply
values of -2C to ice-covered areas where they have no SST measurements.

For more sensible charts see
http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/climo.html.


--
Graham Davis
Bracknell

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https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/...sstanomaly.gif

Somethings completely different with this image. All the arctic SST
anomalies are negative (blue), the last few years we have been seeing
nothing but reds and yellows. Is something going on up there?
--

Here's some links to other SST charts for comparison... It does look like
the above chart was in itself an anomaly!!!
;-)

http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst.gif

http://85.214.49.20/wz/pics/Ransst.gif

http://weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/saison...l?img=tm_gl_sd

J.

Keith (Southend)G wrote:
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https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/...sstanomaly.gif

Somethings completely different with this image. All the arctic SST
anomalies are negative (blue), the last few years we have been seeing
nothing but reds and yellows. Is something going on up there?
--
Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
e-mail: kreh at southendweather dot net

Keith (Southend)G wrote:
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through tonight*

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/...sstanomaly.gif

Somethings completely different with this image. All the arctic SST
anomalies are negative (blue), the last few years we have been seeing
nothing but reds and yellows. Is something going on up there?
--
Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
e-mail: kreh at southendweather dot net
Just shows what a change in background climatology can do!. Now if a
similar thing happened for gloabl warming this could throw the whole
debate wide open!!!