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For the first time in a while, we've had a lot of hot and sunny weather
in both June and July, something which has only happened rarely in recent years, namely 1989, 1994 and 1995, as well as (though I was not old enough to remember) 1975/76. Looking at all these years, the fine conditions persisted into August in all but 1994, the majority of years being famously hot and sunny summers. The very settled summers seem to have a pattern of Azores ridge following Azores ridge, very weak cold fronts coming through every days followed by an immediate return to fine weather with no prolonged breakdowns. Up to the middle of last week, and with the exception of the changeable spell July 5th-10th, this seemed to be the pattern this year too. However now the pressure pattern seems to have got itself into a much less anticyclonic (albeit warm) set up likely to persist for the rest of the month - there's something of a high early this coming week but it's not particularly intense. A non-expert conclusion from this would suggest that the 'hot summer' pattern has broken and that August is unlikely to be as notable as the earlier part of the summer but any thoughts? Nick |
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A non-expert conclusion from this would suggest that the 'hot summer'
pattern has broken and that August is unlikely to be as notable as the earlier part of the summer but any thoughts? There is so much uncertainty in the current forecasts. Gibbsy on CF was quite unsure how and when the breakdown in the forthcoming heatwave would happen. So trying to have thoughts of August's likely weather seems to be near on impossible at the moment. Lamb described that in around 70% of cases, the weather is likely to continue in its present general theme, i.e., warm and relatively settled. The odds are then that August will continue as June and July have done. Looking at the long range forecasts they seem to hint at the Azores High making more an influence after next week, but as we all know, they are notoriously unreliable. __________ Nick G Otter Valley, Devon 80 m amsl |
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![]() Nick G wrote: A non-expert conclusion from this would suggest that the 'hot summer' pattern has broken and that August is unlikely to be as notable as the earlier part of the summer but any thoughts? There is so much uncertainty in the current forecasts. Gibbsy on CF was quite unsure how and when the breakdown in the forthcoming heatwave would happen. So trying to have thoughts of August's likely weather seems to be near on impossible at the moment. Lamb described that in around 70% of cases, the weather is likely to continue in its present general theme, i.e., warm and relatively settled. The odds are then that August will continue as June and July have done. Looking at the long range forecasts they seem to hint at the Azores High making more an influence after next week, but as we all know, they are notoriously unreliable. I got a different impression except he was not able to pin down the day it all changes. The deepish Atlantic low he showed is available at traditional websites near you. The one I was looking at yesterday gave the date for it to appear as the 26th (may I mention that the change of phase is on the 25th?) All we can presume is that it will be there at about that date. You wouldn't expect him to be able to give a date for when it moves in on us would you? We are in a year of great seismic disturbance (following on from an year of great hurricane activity.) I have been propounding for years, that these things drastically change weather models overnight. Or have you been ignoring nme? Never mind Lamb's statistics. Just stick to the facts. He may have meant well but statistics don't mean squat in meteorology. |
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![]() wrote in message oups.com... For the first time in a while, we've had a lot of hot and sunny weather in both June and July, something which has only happened rarely in recent years, namely 1989, 1994 and 1995, as well as (though I was not old enough to remember) 1975/76. Looking at all these years, the fine conditions persisted into August in all but 1994, the majority of years being famously hot and sunny summers. The very settled summers seem to have a pattern of Azores ridge following Azores ridge, very weak cold fronts coming through every days followed by an immediate return to fine weather with no prolonged breakdowns. Up to the middle of last week, and with the exception of the changeable spell July 5th-10th, this seemed to be the pattern this year too. However now the pressure pattern seems to have got itself into a much less anticyclonic (albeit warm) set up likely to persist for the rest of the month - there's something of a high early this coming week but it's not particularly intense. A non-expert conclusion from this would suggest that the 'hot summer' pattern has broken and that August is unlikely to be as notable as the earlier part of the summer but any thoughts? Nick My memory goes back a bit farther , Nick, to the warm summers of 1947 and 1949. In both these years hot weather in July was continued in August- especially in 1947- and in each year there was a lot more warm dry weather in September and October as well. Summer 1959 was also warm in June and July which continued in August. In that year also the summer was followed by a warm autumn. I can't resist mentioning that in August 1947 I spent a lot of time at Lord's cricket ground in the school holiday watching Denis Compton making several hundreds in an apparently effortless way. In that summer he scored 3816 runs ,including 18 hundreds. Sorry to digress ! Peter Clarke Ewell, Epsom |
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