It seems like the 564 DAM thickness line has been well north in Europe (and the
Atlantic?) all month, can any of the "old lags" lurking here remember another
year in when this happened? We seem to be stuck in this warm air and no sign of
it abating and returning to something a bit more "normal". Jon? Martin? Norman?
(Not that you're all "old lags" of course :-) )

Will.
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Will Hand wrote:
It seems like the 564 DAM thickness line has been well north in Europe (and the
Atlantic?) all month, can any of the "old lags" lurking here remember another
year in when this happened? We seem to be stuck in this warm air and no sign of
it abating and returning to something a bit more "normal". Jon? Martin? Norman?
(Not that you're all "old lags" of course :-) )

What Will is saying, when Jon, Martin and Norman was born, God was still
a boy ! ;-)



Will.
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:19:46 +0100, Joe Egginton wrote in


What Will is saying, when Jon, Martin and Norman was born, God was still
a boy ! ;-)

Nah - Jon is nowt but a boy - the other two ...well..:-)

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Mike Coleraine 55.13°N 6.69°W posted 16/09/2006 09:34:09 GMT

Will Hand wrote:
It seems like the 564 DAM thickness line has been well north in Europe (and the
Atlantic?) all month, can any of the "old lags" lurking here remember another
year in when this happened? We seem to be stuck in this warm air and no sign of
it abating and returning to something a bit more "normal". Jon? Martin? Norman?
(Not that you're all "old lags" of course :-) )


Dunno about the GPH climatology, but I wonder if we're in for a strong
Scandanavian pattern this autumn,
http://www.met.rdg.ac.uk/~mike/autumn2000.html
David

"Will Hand" wrote in message
...
It seems like the 564 DAM thickness line has been well north in Europe
(and the
Atlantic?) all month, can any of the "old lags" lurking here remember
another
year in when this happened?

..... Looking at the 'extremes'
( http://homepage.ntlworld.com/booty.weather/tthkxtrm.htm )

in September, over this dataset then even at Oslo, the TTHK has been in
the upper 560's dam & over NW Germany into the low 570's, so probably
not 'extreme' in that sense, but getting into the second-half of
September, then it might be regarded as 'unusual'.

I haven't got any records of individual events etc., but in a series of
mean TTHK anomalies based on the 'Weather Log' (RMetS) and for a point
roughly within the CET domain, then in a dataset from 1971, the
following years have anomalies 3dam (on 1961-1990 avg):

1971 .. +4dam
1997 .. +3dam
1999 .. +3dam
2005 .. +4dam

1971 was followed by an October with an even greater +ve anomaly (+5);
1997 was followed by a string of notably above avg months, including
+9dam in Feb 1998; 1999 was followed by average or above average months
through the winter, with the anomalies for Jan, Feb & Mar 2000 +5, +3 &
+3 respectively; Last year, the September was followed by October with
+6dam & Jan +4dam. This last September was quite warm of course, with a
CET anomaly of +1.5degC; we're about that atm, according to Philip's
site. 1999 is another possibility looking at the weather type (and
thickness anomalies) of that September.

Martin.

In uk.sci.weather on Sat, 16 Sep 2006, Waghorn
wrote :

Dunno about the GPH climatology, but I wonder if we're in for a strong
Scandanavian pattern this autumn,

Which will no doubt disappear just as things really start to cool off...
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

Paul Hyett wrote:
In uk.sci.weather on Sat, 16 Sep 2006, Waghorn
wrote :

Dunno about the GPH climatology, but I wonder if we're in for a strong
Scandanavian pattern this autumn,

Which will no doubt disappear just as things really start to cool off...

The "Scandinavian pattern" described in the article is no good thing
though - it seems to be a Scandinavian ridge not strong enough to
produce cold/dry conditions over the UK - but strong enough to prevent
lows progressing further east, meaning mild and very wet conditions. No
bad thing for them to disappear come the cold season.... :-)

Nick

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Paul Hyett wrote:
In uk.sci.weather on Sat, 16 Sep 2006, Waghorn
wrote :

Dunno about the GPH climatology, but I wonder if we're in for a strong
Scandanavian pattern this autumn,

Which will no doubt disappear just as things really start to cool off...

The "Scandinavian pattern" described in the article is no good thing
though - it seems to be a Scandinavian ridge not strong enough to
produce cold/dry conditions over the UK - but strong enough to prevent
lows progressing further east, meaning mild and very wet conditions. No
bad thing for them to disappear come the cold season.... :-)

Nick


Indeed. A wet autumn beckons. Nature's way of balancing things out?

Will.
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Will Hand wrote:
wrote in message
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Paul Hyett wrote:
In uk.sci.weather on Sat, 16 Sep 2006, Waghorn
wrote :
Dunno about the GPH climatology, but I wonder if we're in for a strong
Scandanavian pattern this autumn,
Which will no doubt disappear just as things really start to cool off...
The "Scandinavian pattern" described in the article is no good thing
though - it seems to be a Scandinavian ridge not strong enough to
produce cold/dry conditions over the UK - but strong enough to prevent
lows progressing further east, meaning mild and very wet conditions. No
bad thing for them to disappear come the cold season.... :-)

Nick


Indeed. A wet autumn beckons. Nature's way of balancing things out?

If nature has a way of balancing things out, could the old wives' tales
of a lot of fruit predicting a cold winter have any truth? ;-)

--
Howard Neil

Scribbled on a tatty piece of sub-atomic ether,
Howard Neil at wrote:

Will Hand wrote:
wrote in message
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Paul Hyett wrote:
In uk.sci.weather on Sat, 16 Sep 2006, Waghorn
wrote :
Dunno about the GPH climatology, but I wonder if we're in for a
strong Scandanavian pattern this autumn,
Which will no doubt disappear just as things really start to cool
off...
The "Scandinavian pattern" described in the article is no good thing
though - it seems to be a Scandinavian ridge not strong enough to
produce cold/dry conditions over the UK - but strong enough to
prevent lows progressing further east, meaning mild and very wet
conditions. No bad thing for them to disappear come the cold
season.... :-)

Nick


Indeed. A wet autumn beckons. Nature's way of balancing things out?

If nature has a way of balancing things out, could the old wives'
tales of a lot of fruit predicting a cold winter have any truth? ;-)

Ah we know the answer to that one easy enough....
--
Rob Overfield
Hull
http://talkingtoomuchagain.blogspot.com