That cold water area off the American Eastern seaboard seems to be shrinking
now ,whilst the warm pool between Newfoundland and Greenland has developed
enormously over the last week .
Does that all point to the normal winter lows developing south of Greenland
leading to the enevitable Westerly flow ,i.e chilly for Scotland ,and
balmy(barmy) for England ?.

RonB

Ron Button wrote:
That cold water area off the American Eastern seaboard seems to be shrinking
now ,whilst the warm pool between Newfoundland and Greenland has developed
enormously over the last week .
Does that all point to the normal winter lows developing south of Greenland
leading to the enevitable Westerly flow ,i.e chilly for Scotland ,and
balmy(barmy) for England ?.

RonB

Probably barmy headlines (see 1989 / 90). And if people had better
memories egg on the face of the Daily Express...

Scott W wrote:
Ron Button wrote:
That cold water area off the American Eastern seaboard seems to be shrinking
now ,whilst the warm pool between Newfoundland and Greenland has developed
enormously over the last week .
Does that all point to the normal winter lows developing south of Greenland
leading to the enevitable Westerly flow ,i.e chilly for Scotland ,and
balmy(barmy) for England ?.

RonB

Probably barmy headlines (see 1989 / 90). And if people had better
memories egg on the face of the Daily Express...



http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SS...11.11.2006.gif

Doesn't look like it's shrinking to me :-)

Stay's this way we're still heading for some blocking this winter.

--
Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
e-mail: kreh at southendweather dot net

Keith (Southend) wrote:
Scott W wrote:
Ron Button wrote:
That cold water area off the American Eastern seaboard seems to be shrinking
now ,whilst the warm pool between Newfoundland and Greenland has developed
enormously over the last week .
Does that all point to the normal winter lows developing south of Greenland
leading to the enevitable Westerly flow ,i.e chilly for Scotland ,and
balmy(barmy) for England ?.

RonB

Probably barmy headlines (see 1989 / 90). And if people had better
memories egg on the face of the Daily Express...



http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SS...11.11.2006.gif

Doesn't look like it's shrinking to me :-)
Me too neither:

http://ocean.dmi.dk/satellite/index.html

This chart shows the temp variations very clearly ,and believe me guys it is
changing quite rapidly....


https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/...sstanomaly.gif


RonB
"Ron Button" wrote in message
...
That cold water area off the American Eastern seaboard seems to be
shrinking now ,whilst the warm pool between Newfoundland and Greenland has
developed enormously over the last week .
Does that all point to the normal winter lows developing south of
Greenland leading to the enevitable Westerly flow ,i.e chilly for Scotland
,and balmy(barmy) for England ?.

RonB

That chart would indicate to me the possibility of persistent blocking west of
30W in the North Atlantic. Also interesting to see some cold anomalies in the
Arctic region near Greeenland and elsewhere in the far north. Possibly arising
from mel****er? All in all a very disturbed cyclonic outlook in the coming weeks
for our part of the world.

Will.
--

"Ron Button" wrote in message
...
This chart shows the temp variations very clearly ,and believe me guys it is
changing quite rapidly....



https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/...lbl_sstanomaly
..gif


RonB
"Ron Button" wrote in message
...
That cold water area off the American Eastern seaboard seems to be
shrinking now ,whilst the warm pool between Newfoundland and Greenland has
developed enormously over the last week .
Does that all point to the normal winter lows developing south of
Greenland leading to the enevitable Westerly flow ,i.e chilly for Scotland
,and balmy(barmy) for England ?.

RonB

Ron Button wrote:
This chart shows the temp variations very clearly ,and believe me guys it is
changing quite rapidly....


https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/...sstanomaly.gif


RonB
"Ron Button" wrote in message
...
That cold water area off the American Eastern seaboard seems to be
shrinking now ,whilst the warm pool between Newfoundland and Greenland has
developed enormously over the last week .
Does that all point to the normal winter lows developing south of
Greenland leading to the enevitable Westerly flow ,i.e chilly for Scotland
,and balmy(barmy) for England ?.

RonB




I haven't seen that particular image showing such a cold pool to the the
south of NFL in recent months.

--
Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
e-mail: kreh at southendweather dot net

Felly sgrifennodd Keith (Southend) :
I haven't seen that particular image showing such a cold pool to the the
south of NFL in recent months.

That map seems to have more -ve than +ve; can that be right in these
days of GW?

Adrian
--
Adrian Shaw ais@
Adran Cyfrifiadureg, Prifysgol Cymru, aber.
Aberystwyth, Ceredigion, Cymru ac.
http://users.aber.ac.uk/ais/weather/ uk

Adrian D. Shaw wrote:

Felly sgrifennodd Keith (Southend) :
I haven't seen that particular image showing such a cold pool to the the
south of NFL in recent months.

That map seems to have more -ve than +ve; can that be right in these
days of GW?

Adrian

I find that site to be misleading in that it gives false (cold) anomalies in
arctic regions. Also I'm not sure how you can see the difference between
small warm and cold anomalies.
http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/climo.html has a more distinctive
boundary.

The cold anomalies in the Antarctic at the above site have been around for
the past ten years. I don't know how real they are. As the amount of data
they now have is more than was used to create the normals, I would have
thought it might be a good time to produce some new ones. Only problem -
all the anomalies would have to be recalculated. If the cold anomaly in the
Antarctic is real, it could be consistent with Global Warming if it were
due to increased melting. However, as it seems to persist all year, I'm not
sure that explanation holds water.

--
Graham Davis
Bracknell

Adrian D. Shaw wrote:
Felly sgrifennodd Keith (Southend) :
I haven't seen that particular image showing such a cold pool to the the
south of NFL in recent months.

That map seems to have more -ve than +ve; can that be right in these
days of GW?

Good point except that if there is little or no ice, the cooler water
in the Arctic will not necessarily be the stuff in the deep end. Note
though it is still evacuating the same (western) side that it has in
the past. Luckily for us.

In the Arctic, the ice sheet is like a lenticular in that it is
constantly rebuilding (or was) with the input from the Atlantic
dividing into the fresh water as ice and the more dense solute as low
level or falling water.

The ice eventually leaves at Canada and so does the deeper stuff. It's
just that the deeper stuff usually makes it all the way to the Weddell.

However one thing that may yet escape the fanatical is that the lack of
separation might well be due to the fact that a lot more storms have
been making it into the Arctic this year.

And the mixing that would follow is more likely to have upset the model
more than a bit of carbon dioxide. In fact there is no way that a great
deal of carbon dioxide could do that, as it too would be liable to
enter the ocean and add to its density.

OK; what is wrong with that idea?

There is going to be a major upset in the fishing industries around the
globe no that the cold water in the global conveyer is disrupted.

Good job they already sucked out all the fish worth having.

Or maybe that was the cause? Nothing to do with global warming. Just
the usual ****ed up poor husbandry that has dogged dodgey farming all
along.