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There has been a lot of debate recently regarding whether Global
warming is actually taking place, or whether it is only happening in certain regions of the World, such as North West Europe, and in particular the British Isles. Now much of the basis for Global Warming, although not exclusively, has been placed on the Central England Temperature series (CET), which clearly shows a warming trend since 1900, I would like to throw down a challenge for others to join in and find similar temperature series for the six (6) locations on each of the Worlds continents as listed below. I will then create graphs from the data. You maybe be wondering why I don't just gather the data myself, and the simple answer is I don't know where to start looking, and probably don't have the required authority with the relevant organisations. Ideally I'm looking for links to data from the following locations since circa 1900, although similar locations with a sizeable amount of data will suffice, as I believe these will throw substantial weight behind whether Global Warming is, or is not taking place. Europe CET Series: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research...HadCET_act.txt Iceland, Reykjavik Russia, Moscow Greece, Athens Spain, Madrid Germany, Berlin Norway, Oslo North America USA, New York USA, Oklahoma USA, Miami USA, Los Angeles Canada, Vancouver Canada, Churchill Central & South America Mexico, Mexico City Colombia, Bogota Brazil, Rio de Janeiro Argentina, Buenos Aires Chile, Santiago Falkland Islands, Port Stanley Africa South Africa, Cape Town Egypt, Cairo Nigeria, Lagos Ethiopia, Addis Ababa Senegal, Dakar Congo, Kinshasa Asia Japan, Tokyo India, New Delhi China, Hong Kong UAE, Dubai Thailand, Bangkok Syria, Damascus Australasia Australia, Sydney Australia, Perth Australia, Darwin Australia, Alice Springs Australia, Melbourne New Zealand, Wellington This challenge will be posted on the following three sites only, I thank anyone that contributes to this project in advance. Google uk.sci.weather http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sci.weather?lnk=lr Weatherchat: http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=16030 Met-Monkey: http://www.met-monkey.co.uk/weather.forum/index.php |
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![]() "Bonos Ego" wrote in message oups.com... Ideally I'm looking for links to data from the following locations since circa 1900, although similar locations with a sizeable amount of data will suffice, as I believe these will throw substantial weight behind whether Global Warming is, or is not taking place. I can't help you with the sources of data. But I imagine that the data is quite likely to be freely and widely available. A good source of help for your project might be alt.global-warming. If you haven't looked there yet you will find an endless supply of helpful and friendly "experts" just waiting to guide you. I think that the fact that we live in a gently warming world is not in doubt. But the word "Challenge" from your message heading implies there is something to be done about the warming. We should be very careful in drawing any conclusions about the cause or eventual effects of that warming. If the warming is mostly or entirely natural then we have no choice but to enjoy the ride. If there is irrefutable evidence that mankind has mostly or entirely caused the warming then we have to be careful. It is quite possible that a political reaction to G.W. could be a greater threat to society as we know it than the actual effects of the warming itself. Paulus |
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Thanks Paulus,
The word 'Challenge' relates to the challenge of obtaining the raw data, rather than implying that we have a challenge and responsibility to reverse global warming. On the subject of Global Warming, I have an open mind, and I'm searching for raw data to draw my own conclusions. I will check out your suggested source above, in the meantime I found the following site which has already done some of the leg-work for me. http://www.john-daly.com/stations/stations.htm Needless to say, on a global scale the results are less than conclusion either-way. |
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![]() "Bonos Ego" wrote in message oups.com... Thanks Paulus, The word 'Challenge' relates to the challenge of obtaining the raw data, rather than implying that we have a challenge and responsibility to reverse global warming. On the subject of Global Warming, I have an open mind, and I'm searching for raw data to draw my own conclusions. I will check out your suggested source above, in the meantime I found the following site which has already done some of the leg-work for me. http://www.john-daly.com/stations/stations.htm Needless to say, on a global scale the results are less than conclusion either-way. It will be very interesting to see the regional or national "central temperatures" from around the world tabulated in such a way. Interesting also that, although the 2006 CET looks like being a new record and much of Europe and Asia have also seen an exceptionally mild start to winter, it looks like 2006 will "only" be 6th warmest on record globally - start of a cooling trend? :-) Good luck! Paulus |
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![]() On Dec 28, 9:26 pm, "Bonos Ego" wrote: There has been a lot of debate recently regarding whether Global warming is actually taking place, or whether it is only happening in certain regions of the World, such as North West Europe, and in particular the British Isles. Now much of the basis for Global Warming, although not exclusively, has been placed on the Central England Temperature series (CET), which clearly shows a warming trend since 1900, I would like to throw down a challenge for others to join in and find similar temperature series for the six (6) locations on each of the Worlds continents as listed below. I will then create graphs from the data. It's already been done, and shows that the warming is indeed global. Have a look at http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/ Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey. |
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In message . com, Tudor
Hughes writes On Dec 28, 9:26 pm, "Bonos Ego" wrote: There has been a lot of debate recently regarding whether Global warming is actually taking place, or whether it is only happening in certain regions of the World, such as North West Europe, and in particular the British Isles. Now much of the basis for Global Warming, although not exclusively, has been placed on the Central England Temperature series (CET), which clearly shows a warming trend since 1900, I would like to throw down a challenge for others to join in and find similar temperature series for the six (6) locations on each of the Worlds continents as listed below. I will then create graphs from the data. It's already been done, and shows that the warming is indeed global. Have a look at http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/ Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey. I've always considered global warming with an open mind, not especially critical, neither am I especially against the concept. However currently here in, a cool part of, the generally very temperate Isle of Man (especially winters, which tend to be very mild). This winter so far has been non-existent, we've had the usual severe gales but so far no frost. Our house is at about 300 feet, in a valley amongst the hills, which tends to be a cold spot but so far I've yet to record a below freezing temperature. In the garden all the spring bulbs are well advanced, the primroses are in flower, as is the spring (March) gorse. Something is going on, that is for sure, not saying I know just what exactly but it certainly makes me think.............? -- Alan Comish |
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![]() Tudor Hughes wrote: On Dec 28, 9:26 pm, "Bonos Ego" wrote: There has been a lot of debate recently regarding whether Global warming is actually taking place, or whether it is only happening in certain regions of the World, such as North West Europe, and in particular the British Isles. Now much of the basis for Global Warming, although not exclusively, has been placed on the Central England Temperature series (CET), which clearly shows a warming trend since 1900, I would like to throw down a challenge for others to join in and find similar temperature series for the six (6) locations on each of the Worlds continents as listed below. I will then create graphs from the data. It's already been done, and shows that the warming is indeed global. Have a look at http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/ Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey. Climate Change & the Greenhouse Effect - (Hadley Centre December 2005) is also a useful starting point, as it has a basic introduction. (Downloadable, or I can email Bonos a copy.) Graham Penzance (Thoroughly windy & wet) |
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![]() "Tudor Hughes" wrote in message ups.com... On Dec 28, 9:26 pm, "Bonos Ego" wrote: There has been a lot of debate recently regarding whether Global warming is actually taking place, or whether it is only happening in certain regions of the World, such as North West Europe, and in particular the British Isles. Now much of the basis for Global Warming, although not exclusively, has been placed on the Central England Temperature series (CET), which clearly shows a warming trend since 1900, I would like to throw down a challenge for others to join in and find similar temperature series for the six (6) locations on each of the Worlds continents as listed below. I will then create graphs from the data. It's already been done, and shows that the warming is indeed global. Have a look at http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/ It's interesting though how the rate of rise has slowed markedly over the past 5 years or so. No doubt that has already been seized upon by the sceptics ![]() -- Col Bolton, Lancashire 160m asl |
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"Alan Comish" wrote in message
... below freezing temperature. In the garden all the spring bulbs are well advanced, the primroses are in flower, as is the spring (March) gorse. Something is going on, that is for sure, not saying I know just what exactly but it certainly makes me think.............? Alan Comish Seems to be getting warmer :-) Hope it continues. I don't fancy another *little ice age* in my lifetime, not at the current price of gas. Alan |
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Perhaps you'd do better to ignore large cities in your groups since
most of these have grown substantially in the past century or so and you don't want your results skewed by accumulated urban heat island effect. Also, assume that the instrumentation was accurate and the records complete throughout the period for the locations in question. Finding consistent climo data for many African cities (like Kinshasa) is harder now than it was 50 years ago. With places like Alice Springs (was it around in 1900?) or Churchill I would imagine the urban heat bias would remain insignificant through the years. |
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