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This morning temperature rocketed up to 7.8 C by 1130 in warm sunshine, but now
at 1430 it is back down to +3.0 with recent showers of sleet.

Definitely colder feel to air now with dewpoint of +0.8C.

So now 3 days of sleet falling this winter but still no snow yet which is quite
amazing for these parts.

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This morning temperature rocketed up to 7.8 C by 1130 in warm sunshine,
but now at 1430 it is back down to +3.0 with recent showers of sleet.


Temperature here reached 10.2C at 11:34 this morning in the warm sunshine
but as you say Will, it is very different story now with threatening skies
and the odd spot of rain (no sleet here) and the temperature has plummeted!

At least the wind has died down after the gales last night, this will help
the salvage of the Napoli at Branscombe. Such a beautiful place, and one my
favourite swimming beaches.

Currently at 14:50, 6.2C, RH 69%, DP 0.9C, 1015.4 mb (R), Wind 14.0 mph WSW
gusting 21.9 mph, 3.09 hours' sunshine so far today.
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Nick G wrote:


Temperature here reached 10.2C at 11:34 this morning in the warm sunshine


10.3C Max in Penzance, but with the wind it didn't feel it.

At least the wind has died down after the gales last night, this will help
the salvage of the Napoli at Branscombe. Such a beautiful place, and one my
favourite swimming beaches.


Why wasn't it towed into Falmouth?

When you look at the recent wrecks like within a few miles of me
including the Cita (Scilly 1997) which charged into the Islands taking
a short cut, Mulheim (Sennen March 2003) a similar event (all asleep?),
The Dolphyn, Mousehole 2001 (taking a short cut inside St. Clements
Isle) right back to the Union Star (why was offer of a tug refused),
they all seem somewhat unnecessary.

Large parts of the Mulheim are still visible and rubbish from the wreck
is still washed up on Gwenver in particular (see
http://surfcore.co.uk/node/370 ) Also see
www.penwith.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=7672 regarding The Dolphyn. I
wouldn't rely on the salvage crews doing much of a tidy up.

Graham
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Currently at 14:50, 6.2C, RH 69%, DP 0.9C, 1015.4 mb (R), Wind 14.0 mph WSW
gusting 21.9 mph, 3.09 hours' sunshine so far today.
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Graham

Why wasn't it towed into Falmouth?


I would like to know why as well. An oil slick has formed and the ship looks
like it may capsize at any moment which would result in an unbelievable
amount of pollution.

The coastline where the ship has ran aground (deliberately) is a SSSI and a
World Heritage Site. It is unique in the world and has some very special,
and very sensitive habitats due to the way how marine life has colonised the
soft Triassic sandstone beds.

Did they deliberately run the ship on the beach in a bid to save the cargo
and didn't give a monkey's for the environment?
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MCC wrote:

Graham Easterling wrote:

Why wasn't it towed into Falmouth?


Ample ship repair facilities in Falmouth but very limited cargo handling
capabilities and certainly no container handling whatsoever.
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But there is deep safe water and plenty of room. The ship was holed and
whatever the lack of facilities in Falmouth it would have been a lot
easier & safer sorting things out there than where the ship is now.

After all the fact that the crew abandoned ship demonstrated how
precarious the position was.

Graham
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Graham

I think the whole saga of the Napoli has been one mistake after another. The
boat wasn't safe (dodgy repairs after previous grounding) yet was certified
as safe (something odd going on there). It should have been towed to
Falmouth where it could have been dealt with but instead they were more
concerned about the cargo so they decided to tow it to Portland even though
the weather was forecast to be bad. They knew the structure was in poor
shape. What a balls up.

The look on the face of guy in-charge of this fiasco said it all.

This reminds me of the ship that leaked a load of oil at Milford Haven a few
years back, that was preventable but incompetence lead to a large oil slick.

Now what is going to happen if the boat capsizes and 1000s of tonnes of
cargo get mashed up and for the next 5 years will be polluting/littering the
beaches.

I can just imagine what the tourists are going to think when little Johnny
picks up a container full of battery acid this summer.

Are they just going to leave the boat there to break-up once they salvaged
the cargo. What a blot on the landscape of one of the most special stretches
of coastline in the world.

The whole sorry episode is a disgrace and seeing a red-throated diver on TV
covered in oil just shows our contempt for the environment.
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Nick G wrote:

Graham

Did they deliberately run the ship on the beach in a bid to save the cargo
and didn't give a monkey's for the environment?



Whoever took this decision to beach the cargo ship in a World Heritage
Site, and area that relies heavily on tourism, should have their head
hanged in sham, and also prosecuted.

I cannot understand why they chose this site, other than their
insurance company dictating that they minimalism any financial loss.

We must understand that we don't own this planet; we only share it
with all the other creatures that inhabit this planet.

It would have been less damaging to the environment to tow the ship out
into the deep waters of the Atlantic, once the storms had abated, and
then scupper the ship.

But finance rules this world?

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Bonos Ego wrote:


I cannot understand why they chose this site, other than their
insurance company dictating that they minimalism any financial loss.


I strongly recommend you read 'Penlee - Loss of a Lifeboat' by Mike
Sagar Fenton
http://www.michaelsagar-fenton.co.uk...d=2&PagesId=28
(available at Amazon)

Apart from being a very sad story, the fact that offers of a tug were
refused, for financial reasons, until it was far too late is rather
disturbing to say the least. (Although the law has changed to force
owners to accept a tow if it is thought essential) The same sort of
arguments over responsibility & cost often mean that little is done to
clear up the mess afterwards.

Also, the government has seen fit to close most coastguard stations,
luckily the voluntary sector (
www.nci.org.uk/what_is_national_coas****ch.htm ) has stepped in to help
fill the gap.

Graham
Penzance

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On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:53:21 -0000, "Nick G"
wrote:

Temperature here reached 10.2C at 11:34 this morning in the warm sunshine
but as you say Will, it is very different story now with threatening skies
and the odd spot of rain (no sleet here) and the temperature has plummeted!


I was underground today and when I surfaced at Priddy the car gizmo
showed 9C - and it really felt very pleasant indeed out of the breeze.
There was a lot of water flowing into Swildons Hole and that was a bit
chilly it must be said.
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