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I got one of these merely so I could check intermediate rainfall totals
without having to go out & get wet. I've noticed that it seems to under-read, especially for low rainfall totals, and I had to change the clock, otherwise the daily totals reset at midnight. -- Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me) |
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On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:17:00 GMT, Paul Hyett wrote:
I got one of these merely so I could check intermediate rainfall totals without having to go out & get wet. I've noticed that it seems to under-read, especially for low rainfall totals, and I had to change the clock, otherwise the daily totals reset at midnight. I've had one of those for a couple of months. I also get the feeling that it under-reads but have had nothing to compare it with. It also does funny things - it added last night's rain total (early hours of today) to it's weekly total but it's day's total (today) remains at zero. Never mind - I got a Davis Vantage Pro 2 a couple of days ago :-) I'll leave the Maplins rain gauge running and compare the 2 rain readings when we next get rain. Will post the results. -- Regards, Hugh Jampton |
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I posted this back last May. Since then, it seems to under-read fairly
consistently by 10-20%; February 88.3 mm by standard gauge, 80 mm by wireless 1 mm: -- I've had two 0.2 mm TBRs logged to my AWS for several years now, and they typically under-record between 1 and 3% compared to my adjacent Met O standard 5 inch gauge. This is probably about the best one can expect as these are professional class instruments (both belong to the Environment Agency) and are regularly calibrated. The slight error most probably results from some loss due to differences in wetting of the funnels, and in evaporation of the part-filled bucket contents. As a matter of interest, three months back I purchased one of the wireless 1 mm capacity tipping bucket gauges referenced in the first post on this thread. I hasten to add I use this only for distant-reading purposes, not climatology! After careful calibration, I found the 1 mm tip was surprisingly accurate for an inexpensive instrument (within 4%, which was as accurate as I could measure the volume of water poured in while I counted the tips). Daily totals show good agreement with the checkgauge when more than 2-3 mm falls, but where it loses out are small falls ( 0.5 mm or so), especially a day or two apart, where they simply evaporate and are lost to the record. Monthly totals from both gauges compared with my standard gauge have been (making slight adjustments to bring them all to 09-09h UTC terminal hours): March - checkgauge 50.9 mm (=100%), TBR 1 49.7 mm (97.6%), wireless gauge 40 mm (79%) April - checkgauge 34.3 mm (=100%), TBR 1 34.3 mm (100%), wireless gauge 30 mm (87%) I would recommend one of these little instruments, even if you have an AWS. They are great for watching thunderstorm rainfall tick up whilst enjoying the lightning in the comfort of the conservatory, or for a quick glance on getting up in the morning how much (if any) rain has fallen overnight. But _not_ recommended for climatological purposes! Stephen |
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![]() "Stephen Burt" wrote in message ups.com... I posted this back last May. Since then, it seems to under-read fairly consistently by 10-20%; February 88.3 mm by standard gauge, 80 mm by wireless 1 mm: -- I've had two 0.2 mm TBRs logged to my AWS for several years now, and they typically under-record between 1 and 3% compared to my adjacent Met O standard 5 inch gauge. This is probably about the best one can expect as these are professional class instruments (both belong to the Environment Agency) and are regularly calibrated. The slight error most probably results from some loss due to differences in wetting of the funnels, and in evaporation of the part-filled bucket contents. As a matter of interest, three months back I purchased one of the wireless 1 mm capacity tipping bucket gauges referenced in the first post on this thread. I hasten to add I use this only for distant-reading purposes, not climatology! After careful calibration, I found the 1 mm tip was surprisingly accurate for an inexpensive instrument (within 4%, which was as accurate as I could measure the volume of water poured in while I counted the tips). Daily totals show good agreement with the checkgauge when more than 2-3 mm falls, but where it loses out are small falls ( 0.5 mm or so), especially a day or two apart, where they simply evaporate and are lost to the record. Monthly totals from both gauges compared with my standard gauge have been (making slight adjustments to bring them all to 09-09h UTC terminal hours): March - checkgauge 50.9 mm (=100%), TBR 1 49.7 mm (97.6%), wireless gauge 40 mm (79%) April - checkgauge 34.3 mm (=100%), TBR 1 34.3 mm (100%), wireless gauge 30 mm (87%) I would recommend one of these little instruments, even if you have an AWS. They are great for watching thunderstorm rainfall tick up whilst enjoying the lightning in the comfort of the conservatory, or for a quick glance on getting up in the morning how much (if any) rain has fallen overnight. But _not_ recommended for climatological purposes! Stephen I puchased a wireless raingauge from Conrad Electronics some time ago. For the money it is pretty good. It had one major problem, in that it under read by quite some amount. I found the reason was the magnet on the buckets was too close to the reed switches, which meant that it only picked up one tip for every two made by the buckets. I fixed this by moving the pcb with the reed switches back slightly until it registered correctly. It measures 0.45mm per tip, a strange amount especially as it only displays to 0.1mm. Once fixed and comparing it to a check gauge, it under read by 15%, but over a few months it has been getting more accurate. This is probably due to dirt in the buckets making it tip more frequently. The other night, when we had 10mm in an hour, it under read by 20%, but generally it is now about 5% low. For £22, it is a great bit of kit. It also includes a temp sensor in the gauge which is pretty useless as it heats up rather quickly in the sun. John |
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In uk.sci.weather on Sat, 3 Mar 2007, Hugh Jampton
wrote : I got one of these merely so I could check intermediate rainfall totals without having to go out & get wet. I've noticed that it seems to under-read, especially for low rainfall totals, and I had to change the clock, otherwise the daily totals reset at midnight. I've had one of those for a couple of months. I also get the feeling that it under-reads but have had nothing to compare it with. Fortunately I have a standard copper rain gauge for comparison. It also does funny things - it added last night's rain total (early hours of today) to it's weekly total but it's day's total (today) remains at zero. Yes, it has a tendency to such oddities. Also, since it only tips in 1mm increments, it obviously won't record anything less than that. Never mind - I got a Davis Vantage Pro 2 a couple of days ago :-) I'll leave the Maplins rain gauge running and compare the 2 rain readings when we next get rain. Will post the results. March will be the first full month for comparison, so I'll see how it goes. -- Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me) |
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In uk.sci.weather on Sat, 3 Mar 2007, Stephen Burt
wrote : Monthly totals from both gauges compared with my standard gauge have been (making slight adjustments to bring them all to 09-09h UTC terminal hours): March - checkgauge 50.9 mm (=100%), TBR 1 49.7 mm (97.6%), wireless gauge 40 mm (79%) April - checkgauge 34.3 mm (=100%), TBR 1 34.3 mm (100%), wireless gauge 30 mm (87%) I would recommend one of these little instruments, even if you have an AWS. They are great for watching thunderstorm rainfall tick up whilst enjoying the lightning in the comfort of the conservatory That's why I bought it. ![]() , or for a quick glance on getting up in the morning how much (if any) rain has fallen overnight. But _not_ recommended for climatological purposes! I agree! -- Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me) |
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![]() Never mind - I got a Davis Vantage Pro 2 a couple of days ago :-) I'll leave the Maplins rain gauge running and compare the 2 rain readings when we next get rain. Will post the results. March will be the first full month for comparison, so I'll see how it goes. I have a Vantage Pro1 and I think it under recordsa rainfall in general but without an accurate reference instrument I mave no avaidence to back up my view which is based on the contour maps published on the Met Office website and comments by others made here who have simailar equipment. I will ceratinly be interested to see your findings. These Vantage pro gauges can be adjustedby altering the height of the screws under the buckets but it is necessary to know how much the error is before atempting to do this. Alan |
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Sounds like a good buy,except I can't find it on the Maplin product page ,
could somebody point me to it please ? RonB "Paul Hyett" wrote in message ... In uk.sci.weather on Sat, 3 Mar 2007, Stephen Burt wrote : Monthly totals from both gauges compared with my standard gauge have been (making slight adjustments to bring them all to 09-09h UTC terminal hours): March - checkgauge 50.9 mm (=100%), TBR 1 49.7 mm (97.6%), wireless gauge 40 mm (79%) April - checkgauge 34.3 mm (=100%), TBR 1 34.3 mm (100%), wireless gauge 30 mm (87%) I would recommend one of these little instruments, even if you have an AWS. They are great for watching thunderstorm rainfall tick up whilst enjoying the lightning in the comfort of the conservatory That's why I bought it. ![]() , or for a quick glance on getting up in the morning how much (if any) rain has fallen overnight. But _not_ recommended for climatological purposes! I agree! -- Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me) |
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On 4 Mar, 10:52, "Ron Button" wrote:
Sounds like a good buy,except I can't find it on the Maplin product page , could somebody point me to it please ? Can't find the one that used to be on Maplins, but there's one on Conrad Electronics looks to be a slightly later version of the one I bought from there a year ago: http://www1.uk.conrad.com/ Search 'rain gauge'. £20.99. Recommended. |
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I have a Vantage Pro1 and I think it under recordsa rainfall in general but
without an accurate reference instrument I mave no avaidence to back up my view which is based on the contour maps published on the Met Office website and comments by others made here who have simailar equipment. I will ceratinly be interested to see your findings. These Vantage pro gauges can be adjustedby altering the height of the screws under the buckets but it is necessary to know how much the error is before atempting to do this. Alan Yes Alan the VP1 rain gauge does under read but once I'd adjusted the screws to their full height and added a couple of thin rubber feet the reading's were much closer to my R&D Instromet gauges. -- Graham |
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