Reading the acres of newsprint (courtesy of the world's forests)
covering the tragic circumstances of Bob Woolmer's death & possible
links to the 'sub-continent' betting rings, I remembered that in the
latter half of the '80's (LWC) and at CFO/NMC in the late 90's (until
relocation), we used to get odd telephone calls from gentlemen based in
Bombay (as was) & Karachi whenever India or Pakistan were playing tests
in this country - given the time difference, these calls came in in the
'small hours' of the night, when the Press/Information office was shut
down. They would start off by asking innocent questions relating to the
'forecast' for the particular match / venue, but would often delve quite
deeply into the prospects in terms of light-level, rainfall,
'playability' etc., on a particular day. At first I didn't know what
they wanted all this information for (as they didn't seem to be from the
'media'), but as the years passed, it dawned on me and my colleagues
that sums of money were being placed or otherwise on the basis of our
prognostications. Perhaps I'm glad we didn't ever give our names out to
callers.

Martin.


--
Martin Rowley
Bracknell

"Martin Rowley" m wrote in
message ...
Reading the acres of newsprint (courtesy of the world's forests) covering
the tragic circumstances of Bob Woolmer's death & possible links to the
'sub-continent' betting rings, I remembered that in the latter half of the
'80's (LWC) and at CFO/NMC in the late 90's (until relocation), we used to
get odd telephone calls from gentlemen based in Bombay (as was) & Karachi
whenever India or Pakistan were playing tests in this country - given the
time difference, these calls came in in the 'small hours' of the night,
when the Press/Information office was shut down. They would start off by
asking innocent questions relating to the 'forecast' for the particular
match / venue, but would often delve quite deeply into the prospects in
terms of light-level, rainfall, 'playability' etc., on a particular day.
At first I didn't know what they wanted all this information for (as they
didn't seem to be from the 'media'), but as the years passed, it dawned on
me and my colleagues that sums of money were being placed or otherwise on
the basis of our prognostications. Perhaps I'm glad we didn't ever give
our names out to callers.

But there was certainly nothing illegal about such calls.
And was the informastion you gave any better than the forecast
that was issued to the general public?
I would suggest that any 'edge' gained would be marginal at best
All the caller was doing was donig some research before
making a bet/laying odds. Nothing wrong with that.
--
Col

That's your excuse for everything isn't it, being dead!

I was about to make a similar comment about making bets based on best
available information and then saw Col's reply who beat me to it.

I don't bet on the horses (I don't bet on anything in fact) but I
would imagine that any information about the state of the ground (The
"going" I think they call it) would be invaluable in enabling someone
to make a more informed bet and be perfectly legitimate. But inside
knowledge that a certain horse was going to be "nobbled" would
certainly be illegal.

Jack

On Mar 24, 10:47�pm, "Jack )"
wrote:
I was about to make a similar comment about making bets based on best
available information and then saw Col's reply who beat me to it.

I don't bet on the horses (I don't bet on anything in fact) but I
would imagine that any information about the state of the ground (The
"going" I think they call it) would be invaluable in enabling someone
to make a more informed bet and be perfectly legitimate. *But inside
knowledge that a certain horse was going to be "nobbled" would
certainly be illegal.

Of course the definition of illegal has become woolly in Woolmer's
case. He was poisned, strangled and suffocated. Now the police are
treating his death as suspicious.

It is unlikely that Martin's corpse would be treated in like manner.
Unless he was renditioned to Pakistan by the Treaty of Blair:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5171266.stm

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 24, 10:47?pm, "Jack )"
wrote:
I was about to make a similar comment about making bets based on best
available information and then saw Col's reply who beat me to it.

I don't bet on the horses (I don't bet on anything in fact) but I
would imagine that any information about the state of the ground (The
"going" I think they call it) would be invaluable in enabling someone
to make a more informed bet and be perfectly legitimate. But inside
knowledge that a certain horse was going to be "nobbled" would
certainly be illegal.

Of course the definition of illegal has become woolly in Woolmer's
case. He was poisned, strangled and suffocated. Now the police are
treating his death as suspicious.

It's been treated as more than just 'suspicious' now though.
I's being treated as murder.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Mar 24, 10:47�pm, "Jack )"
wrote:
I was about to make a similar comment about making bets based on best
available information and then saw Col's reply who beat me to it.

I don't bet on the horses (I don't bet on anything in fact) but I
would imagine that any information about the state of the ground (The
"going" I think they call it) would be invaluable in enabling someone
to make a more informed bet and be perfectly legitimate. But inside
knowledge that a certain horse was going to be "nobbled" would
certainly be illegal.

Of course the definition of illegal has become woolly in Woolmer's
case. He was poisned, strangled and suffocated. Now the police are
treating his death as suspicious.


After a preliminary medical examination, his death was treated as suspicious by
the police. When further medical examination revealed the cause of death as
manual strangulation, the death was treated as murder.

All perfectly normal and no question of woolly definitions of illegal or
anything else. What exactly was your point?


--
Gianna

http://www.buchan-meteo.org.uk
* * * * * * *

On a tatty piece of sub-ether Gianna at said...
Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Mar 24, 10:47ï¿=3Fpm, "Jack )"
wrote:
I was about to make a similar comment about making bets based on best
available information and then saw Col's reply who beat me to it.

I don't bet on the horses (I don't bet on anything in fact) but I
would imagine that any information about the state of the ground (The
"going" I think they call it) would be invaluable in enabling someone
to make a more informed bet and be perfectly legitimate. But inside
knowledge that a certain horse was going to be "nobbled" would
certainly be illegal.

Of course the definition of illegal has become woolly in Woolmer's
case. He was poisned, strangled and suffocated. Now the police are
treating his death as suspicious.


After a preliminary medical examination, his death was treated as suspicious by
the police. When further medical examination revealed the cause of death as
manual strangulation, the death was treated as murder.

All perfectly normal and no question of woolly definitions of illegal or
anything else. What exactly was your point?




the weatherlawyer doesn't need a point, has never needed one now Gianna,
so why should he decide that he needs a point now?
--
Rob C. Overfield
Hull

On Mar 25, 2:23 pm, Robb C. Overfield wrote:
On a tatty piece of sub-ether Gianna at said...



Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Mar 24, 10:47ï¿=3Fpm, "Jack )"
wrote:
I was about to make a similar comment about making bets based on best
available information and then saw Col's reply who beat me to it.

I don't bet on the horses (I don't bet on anything in fact) but I
would imagine that any information about the state of the ground (The
"going" I think they call it) would be invaluable in enabling someone
to make a more informed bet and be perfectly legitimate. But inside
knowledge that a certain horse was going to be "nobbled" would
certainly be illegal.

Of course the definition of illegal has become woolly in Woolmer's
case. He was poisned, strangled and suffocated. Now the police are
treating his death as suspicious.

After a preliminary medical examination, his death was treated as suspicious by
the police. When further medical examination revealed the cause of death as
manual strangulation, the death was treated as murder.

All perfectly normal and no question of woolly definitions of illegal or
anything else. What exactly was your point?

You don't expect a reply to that do you?

the weatherlawyer doesn't need a point, has never needed one now Gianna,
so why should he decide that he needs a point now?

The Great Weatherlawyer if you please, underling.

"Robb C. Overfield" wrote in message
.. .

the weatherlawyer doesn't need a point, has never needed one now Gianna,
so why should he decide that he needs a point now?
--
Rob C. Overfield
Hull

Quite. I killfiled him years ago and am amazed that anyone still reads his
posts.

Jon.

On Mar 25, 3:49 pm, "Jon O'Rourke" wrote:

Quite. I kill filed him years ago and am amazed that anyone still reads his
posts.

OK

Out of the kindness of my heart here is a little diddly squat that at
first may seem off topic but just put the cart behind the horse in the
picture this analysis of the research conjours:

"A new study of Cassini data reported this week in the online version
of the journal "Science" determined that Saturn's magnetic field lines
are being forced to slip relative to the rotation of the planet by the
weight of electrically charged particles originating from geysers
spewing water vapour and ice from Enceladus.

These results are based on joint observations by two Cassini
instruments, -the radio and plasma wave instrument and the
magnetometer."

That last line should read :
These conclusions are based on the contemporary misunderstanding of
earth sciences applied to the observations by two Cassini instruments -
the radio and plasma wave instrument and the magnetometer.

"Based on the new observations, scientists now think there are two
possible reasons for the change in radio period. The first theory is
that the geysers on Enceladus could be more active now than in
Voyagers' time.

The second is that there may be seasonal variations as Saturn orbits
the sun once every 29 years.

"One would predict that when the geysers are very active, the
particles load down the magnetic field and increase the slippage of
the plasma disk, thereby increasing the radio emission period even
more.

If the geysers are less active, there would be less of a load on the
magnetic field, and therefore less slippage of the plasma disk, and a
shorter period," said Gurnett."

This was an e-mail from Ron Balke a PR man for NASA:

"JET PROPULSION LABORATORY
CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
PASADENA, CALIF. 91109 TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov

Carolina Martinez 818-354-9382 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena,
Calif.

News Release: 2007-032 March 22, 2007

Enceladus Geysers Mask the Length of Saturn's Day"

Of course if you choose a better alternative for explanation, it
stands to reason that something similar could be expected to operate
on this planet and its twin.

I am tempted to go into detail here but of course you lot are just not
ready. Sad really as you are missing so much. Perhaps if you had the
grace that god gives you for the asking, you might enjoy your hobby a
bit more.

Not that I am a good example for that sort of thing.