One site I regularly visit is that of Alastair McDonald. He has a page
(based on a NOAA site) that allows a comparison between now and four/eight
years ago, though other dates may be entered. This summer is showing a
very marked decline since four years ago, with virtually no ice on the
coasts of Siberia.

Here is the page:

http://www.abmcdonald.freeserve.co.uk/north.htm

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Mike Tullett - Coleraine 55.13°N 6.69°W posted 20/07/2007 09:12:11 GMT

On Jul 20, 10:12 am, Mike Tullett
wrote:
One site I regularly visit is that of Alastair McDonald. He has a page
(based on a NOAA site) that allows a comparison between now and four/eight
years ago, though other dates may be entered. This summer is showing a
very marked decline since four years ago, with virtually no ice on the
coasts of Siberia.

Here is the page:

http://www.abmcdonald.freeserve.co.uk/north.htm

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Mike Tullett - Coleraine 55.13°N 6.69°W posted 20/07/2007 09:12:11 GMT

Interesting site - I'll add that to my favourites. The
decline is quite marked but there seems little difference in the
maxima (Feb/Mar). This would seem to indicate that the ice is
shallower.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:56:09 -0700, Tudor Hughes wrote in
oups.com

http://www.abmcdonald.freeserve.co.uk/north.htm


Interesting site - I'll add that to my favourites. The
decline is quite marked but there seems little difference in the
maxima (Feb/Mar). This would seem to indicate that the ice is
shallower.

I returned to this site again today and the melting in less than two weeks
is amazing. You are quite right in suggesting the ice is thinner. The
colours clearly indicate that. Anyone doubting the existence of GW will
surely be convinced by this.


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Mike Tullett - Coleraine 55.13°N 6.69°W posted 31/07/2007 21:47:45 GMT

On 31 Jul, 22:47, Mike Tullett
wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:56:09 -0700, Tudor Hughes wrote in
oups.com

http://www.abmcdonald.freeserve.co.uk/north.htm

Interesting site - I'll add that to my favourites. The
decline is quite marked but there seems little difference in the
maxima (Feb/Mar). This would seem to indicate that the ice is
shallower.

I returned to this site again today and the melting in less than two weeks
is amazing. You are quite right in suggesting the ice is thinner. The
colours clearly indicate that. Anyone doubting the existence of GW will
surely be convinced by this.

--
Mike Tullett - Coleraine 55.13°N 6.69°W posted 31/07/2007 21:47:45 GMT

One thing I thought interesting was the 'increase' of ice down the
eastern side of Greenland. My personal explanation for this is that it
must be due to the position of the jet stream for most of this summer.
Normally the jet would take Atlantic depressions up there when, as we
all know, it has stayed south allowing a large pool of cold air to sit
in the region much of this summer.

Mike Tullett wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:56:09 -0700, Tudor Hughes wrote in
oups.com

http://www.abmcdonald.freeserve.co.uk/north.htm


Interesting site - I'll add that to my favourites. The
decline is quite marked but there seems little difference in the
maxima (Feb/Mar). This would seem to indicate that the ice is
shallower.

I returned to this site again today and the melting in less than two weeks
is amazing. You are quite right in suggesting the ice is thinner. The
colours clearly indicate that. Anyone doubting the existence of GW will
surely be convinced by this.


Never underestimate the ability of GW-doubters to deny all evidence.

The following site shows that the decline is occurring in maxima as well as
minima. It's also accelerating.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph...rrent.anom.jpg

--
Graham P Davis
Bracknell, Berks., UK
Send e-mails to "newsman" as mails to "newsboy" are ignored.

"Pete L" wrote in message
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On 31 Jul, 22:47, Mike Tullett
wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:56:09 -0700, Tudor Hughes wrote in
oups.com

http://www.abmcdonald.freeserve.co.uk/north.htm

Interesting site - I'll add that to my favourites. The
decline is quite marked but there seems little difference in the
maxima (Feb/Mar). This would seem to indicate that the ice is
shallower.

I returned to this site again today and the melting in less than two weeks
is amazing. You are quite right in suggesting the ice is thinner. The
colours clearly indicate that. Anyone doubting the existence of GW will
surely be convinced by this.

--
Mike Tullett - Coleraine 55.13°N 6.69°W posted 31/07/2007 21:47:45 GMT

: One thing I thought interesting was the 'increase' of ice down the
: eastern side of Greenland. My personal explanation for this is that it
: must be due to the position of the jet stream for most of this summer.
: Normally the jet would take Atlantic depressions up there when, as we
: all know, it has stayed south allowing a large pool of cold air to sit
: in the region much of this summer.

It certainly fits in with the mean monthly sea-level pressure pattern
which shows high pressure in the Greenland/Iceland region, and
a positive anomaly centre of +5mbar over eastern Greenland.
(I'll provide a link in my synoptic review when I've uploaded the
relevant pages).

Philip

On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:52:34 +0100, Philip Eden wrote in


I returned to this site again today and the melting in less than two weeks
is amazing. You are quite right in suggesting the ice is thinner. The
colours clearly indicate that. Anyone doubting the existence of GW will
surely be convinced by this.

: One thing I thought interesting was the 'increase' of ice down the
: eastern side of Greenland. My personal explanation for this is that it
: must be due to the position of the jet stream for most of this summer.
: Normally the jet would take Atlantic depressions up there when, as we
: all know, it has stayed south allowing a large pool of cold air to sit
: in the region much of this summer.

It certainly fits in with the mean monthly sea-level pressure pattern
which shows high pressure in the Greenland/Iceland region, and
a positive anomaly centre of +5mbar over eastern Greenland.
(I'll provide a link in my synoptic review when I've uploaded the
relevant pages).

The ice east of Greenland is fed by ice from the Arctic Ocean moving SW in
the Greenland Current. Maybe that has been assisted by more northerlies
(or fewer SWlies) east of Greenland, associated with the anomaly you refer
to?

grr why do I keep typing Artic when I mean Arctic:-)

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Mike Tullett - Coleraine 55.13°N 6.69°W posted 01/08/2007 09:26:11 GMT

On 20 Jul, 10:12, Mike Tullett
wrote:
One site I regularly visit is that of Alastair McDonald. He has a page
(based on a NOAA site) that allows a comparison between now and four/eight
years ago, though other dates may be entered. This summer is showing a
very marked decline since four years ago, with virtually no ice on the
coasts of Siberia.

Here is the page:

http://www.abmcdonald.freeserve.co.uk/north.htm

--
Mike Tullett - Coleraine 55.13°N 6.69°W posted 20/07/2007 09:12:11 GMT

Isn't the ice being melted from below - by a warming Atlantic Ocean
feeding energy into the Arctic Ocean?

"Mike Tullett" wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:52:34 +0100, Philip Eden wrote :

I returned to this site again today and the melting in less than two
weeks
is amazing. You are quite right in suggesting the ice is thinner. The
colours clearly indicate that. Anyone doubting the existence of GW will
surely be convinced by this.

: One thing I thought interesting was the 'increase' of ice down the
: eastern side of Greenland. My personal explanation for this is that it
: must be due to the position of the jet stream for most of this summer.
: Normally the jet would take Atlantic depressions up there when, as we
: all know, it has stayed south allowing a large pool of cold air to sit
: in the region much of this summer.

It certainly fits in with the mean monthly sea-level pressure pattern
which shows high pressure in the Greenland/Iceland region, and
a positive anomaly centre of +5mbar over eastern Greenland.
(I'll provide a link in my synoptic review when I've uploaded the
relevant pages).

The ice east of Greenland is fed by ice from the Arctic Ocean moving SW in
the Greenland Current. Maybe that has been assisted by more northerlies
(or fewer SWlies) east of Greenland, associated with the anomaly you refer
to?

Charts for July, June, and May/Jun/Jul, all now available at
http://www.climate-uk.com/monpre/0707.htm
http://www.climate-uk.com/monpre/0706.htm
http://www.climate-uk.com/monpre/07QQ.htm

Philip

On Aug 1, 6:14 pm, Scott W wrote:

Isn't the ice being melted from below - by a warming Atlantic Ocean
feeding energy into the Arctic Ocean?

No. There is only one layer of ocean. Any further questions from you
along this line, will get the thought police out in vans. YOU HAVE
BEEN WARNED.