.... is Tuesday!

But make the most of it as yet more heavy rain is due to spread in from the west
on Wednesday.

I had to laugh at the media at lunchtime, they made a thing about comparing this
week with that exceptional summer weather last year (as if that was normal).
They also kept on saying why have got all this rain - its summer? Hello - ding.
You wouldn't get such torrential convective type origin downpours in winter,
doh!

Will.
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"Will Hand" wrote in message
...
... is Tuesday!

But make the most of it as yet more heavy rain is due to spread in from
the west
on Wednesday.

I had to laugh at the media at lunchtime, they made a thing about
comparing this
week with that exceptional summer weather last year (as if that was
normal).
They also kept on saying why have got all this rain - its summer? Hello -
ding.
You wouldn't get such torrential convective type origin downpours in
winter,
doh!


But week after week of incessant rain, with little or no respite from it,
isn't 'normal' for summer either.
It's way before my time but I've heard it said in this ng that the summers
of the 50s/60s were like this. Well I'm not sure I believe that. The
torrential
downpours, the terrible flooding, the woeful lack of sunshine.
Surely summer 2007 (so far) would compare poorly even with those more
'traditional' British summers?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

"Col" wrote in message
...

"Will Hand" wrote in message
...
... is Tuesday!

But make the most of it as yet more heavy rain is due to spread in from
the west
on Wednesday.

I had to laugh at the media at lunchtime, they made a thing about
comparing this
week with that exceptional summer weather last year (as if that was
normal).
They also kept on saying why have got all this rain - its summer? Hello -
ding.
You wouldn't get such torrential convective type origin downpours in
winter,
doh!


But week after week of incessant rain, with little or no respite from it,
isn't 'normal' for summer either.
It's way before my time but I've heard it said in this ng that the summers
of the 50s/60s were like this. Well I'm not sure I believe that. The
torrential
downpours, the terrible flooding, the woeful lack of sunshine.
Surely summer 2007 (so far) would compare poorly even with those more
'traditional' British summers?
--



The 60s *were* like this Col believe me (at least in Manchester). Every year we
had terrific storms, 1 July 1968 for example, it was like night nearly all day
and the rain was torrential with incessant thunder and lighting for 6 hours.
Flooding was widespread and we were let home from school early as the buses had
given up. In the 60s if the temperature reached 80F it was headline news
splashed all over the papers. We have been spoilt in the 80s, 90s and 00s. Three
fine days and a thunderstorm is a cliche but it was true in the 60s, and in the
50s as far as I know, except 1959 which was a 1990s type summer.

Will (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
--

"Will Hand" wrote in message
...



The 60s *were* like this Col believe me (at least in Manchester). Every
year we
had terrific storms, 1 July 1968 for example, it was like night nearly all
day
and the rain was torrential with incessant thunder and lighting for 6
hours.
Flooding was widespread and we were let home from school early as the
buses had
given up. In the 60s if the temperature reached 80F it was headline news
splashed all over the papers. We have been spoilt in the 80s, 90s and 00s.
Three
fine days and a thunderstorm is a cliche but it was true in the 60s, and
in the
50s as far as I know, except 1959 which was a 1990s type summer.

Yes, I realise we have been spoilt in recent years.
However it will be interesting to see how this summer squares up
in terms of rainfall/sunshine to those of the 50s/60s.
The bad summers that stick in my mind are 1998, 1988, 1980 and
1978. Though I accept that 1978 may be unfairly prejudiced by a
particularly miserable camping holiday in Scotland....

I don't remember that many spectacular storms in Bolton though and
I've been here since 1993. We get a decent one about every
four or five years I reckon.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

"Will Hand" wrote in message
...

"Col" wrote in message
...

"Will Hand" wrote in message
...
... is Tuesday!

But make the most of it as yet more heavy rain is due to spread in from
the west
on Wednesday.

I had to laugh at the media at lunchtime, they made a thing about
comparing this
week with that exceptional summer weather last year (as if that was
normal).
They also kept on saying why have got all this rain - its summer?
Hello -
ding.
You wouldn't get such torrential convective type origin downpours in
winter,
doh!


But week after week of incessant rain, with little or no respite from it,
isn't 'normal' for summer either.
It's way before my time but I've heard it said in this ng that the
summers
of the 50s/60s were like this. Well I'm not sure I believe that. The
torrential
downpours, the terrible flooding, the woeful lack of sunshine.
Surely summer 2007 (so far) would compare poorly even with those more
'traditional' British summers?
--



The 60s *were* like this Col believe me (at least in Manchester). Every
year we
had terrific storms, 1 July 1968 for example, it was like night nearly all
day
and the rain was torrential with incessant thunder and lighting for 6
hours.
Flooding was widespread and we were let home from school early as the
buses had
given up. In the 60s if the temperature reached 80F it was headline news
splashed all over the papers. We have been spoilt in the 80s, 90s and 00s.
Three
fine days and a thunderstorm is a cliche but it was true in the 60s, and
in the
50s as far as I know, except 1959 which was a 1990s type summer.

Will (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
--



Looking at the England+Wales rainfall rrecords shows no May-July rainfall in
the 60'swith each month recording over 100mm so to my eyes it looks like
this summer is worse.

Relying on memory for past events is notoriously unreliable.

and in the
50s as far as I know, except 1959 which was a 1990s type summer.

Will (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
--

50's seemed ok to me , Will. ;-)

Dave

On Jul 20, 5:05 pm, "Will Hand" wrote:
"Col" wrote in message

...





"Will Hand" wrote in message
...
... is Tuesday!

But make the most of it as yet more heavy rain is due to spread in from
the west
on Wednesday.

I had to laugh at the media at lunchtime, they made a thing about
comparing this
week with that exceptional summer weather last year (as if that was
normal).
They also kept on saying why have got all this rain - its summer? Hello -
ding.
You wouldn't get such torrential convective type origin downpours in
winter,
doh!

But week after week of incessant rain, with little or no respite from it,
isn't 'normal' for summer either.
It's way before my time but I've heard it said in this ng that the summers
of the 50s/60s were like this. Well I'm not sure I believe that. The
torrential
downpours, the terrible flooding, the woeful lack of sunshine.
Surely summer 2007 (so far) would compare poorly even with those more
'traditional' British summers?
--
We have been spoilt in the 80s, 90s and 00s. Three
fine days and a thunderstorm is a cliche but it was true in the 60s, and in the
50s as far as I know, except 1959 which was a 1990s type summer.

Spoilt in the *80s* is a frightening thought as my memory of 80s
summers was that they were generally unexceptional, though, except for
1980 and perhaps 1985 (I can't really remember August 1985 very well
though) better than this year. My memory doesn't really stretch back
much before that so I hope we're not going to flip into a period of
year-after-year sub-80s summers!

Was it not more that the 60s were very unusual though? To have lows
track near to 50N rather than between 60-70N must be unusual.

Nick

If I remeber rightly the summers of 1983 and 1989 were particularly good.

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On Jul 20, 5:05 pm, "Will Hand" wrote:
"Col" wrote in message

...





"Will Hand" wrote in message
...
... is Tuesday!

But make the most of it as yet more heavy rain is due to spread in
from
the west
on Wednesday.

I had to laugh at the media at lunchtime, they made a thing about
comparing this
week with that exceptional summer weather last year (as if that was
normal).
They also kept on saying why have got all this rain - its summer?
Hello -
ding.
You wouldn't get such torrential convective type origin downpours in
winter,
doh!

But week after week of incessant rain, with little or no respite from
it,
isn't 'normal' for summer either.
It's way before my time but I've heard it said in this ng that the
summers
of the 50s/60s were like this. Well I'm not sure I believe that. The
torrential
downpours, the terrible flooding, the woeful lack of sunshine.
Surely summer 2007 (so far) would compare poorly even with those more
'traditional' British summers?
--
We have been spoilt in the 80s, 90s and 00s. Three
fine days and a thunderstorm is a cliche but it was true in the 60s, and
in the
50s as far as I know, except 1959 which was a 1990s type summer.

Spoilt in the *80s* is a frightening thought as my memory of 80s
summers was that they were generally unexceptional, though, except for
1980 and perhaps 1985 (I can't really remember August 1985 very well
though) better than this year. My memory doesn't really stretch back
much before that so I hope we're not going to flip into a period of
year-after-year sub-80s summers!

Was it not more that the 60s were very unusual though? To have lows
track near to 50N rather than between 60-70N must be unusual.

Nick

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On Jul 20, 5:05 pm, "Will Hand" wrote:
"Col" wrote in message


Spoilt in the *80s* is a frightening thought as my memory of 80s
summers was that they were generally unexceptional, though, except for
1980 and perhaps 1985 (I can't really remember August 1985 very well
though) better than this year. My memory doesn't really stretch back
much before that so I hope we're not going to flip into a period of
year-after-year sub-80s summers!

1883 was a superb summer though it came after a very wet spring
and IIRC didn't really get going until well into June.
1984 was also a good one and by then, due to a dry spring, a
drought had set in.
1989 was excellent. I believe it broke many sunshine records.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

On Jul 21, 11:45 am, "Col" wrote:
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On Jul 20, 5:05 pm, "Will Hand" wrote:
"Col" wrote in message

Spoilt in the *80s* is a frightening thought as my memory of 80s
summers was that they were generally unexceptional, though, except for
1980 and perhaps 1985 (I can't really remember August 1985 very well
though) better than this year. My memory doesn't really stretch back
much before that so I hope we're not going to flip into a period of
year-after-year sub-80s summers!

1883 was a superb summer though it came after a very wet spring
and IIRC didn't really get going until well into June.
1984 was also a good one and by then, due to a dry spring, a
drought had set in.
1989 was excellent. I believe it broke many sunshine records.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

Yes, not denying those were good, but the "average" 80s summer was
probably worse (in the south of England) than the average summer
since. IIRC a lot of the 80s summers were "westerly" in type, not
overly sunny or overly warm, but with fairly high pressure in the
south, not excessively wet either.

Nick