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Will in Dartmoor and Nick in Devon, thanks for your info about the
weather in your neck of the woods.

The temperature variation in any given place in the UK is not extreme,
due to your maritime climate. However, from what I understand, unlike
southern Ontario, there are areas where the elevation affects weather
greatly.

On a separate note, a branch of my family on my father's side (the
Webbers) originally came from Chawleigh in Devon.

Bob :-)

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mittens writes:

The temperature variation in any given place in the UK is not extreme,
due to your maritime climate. However, from what I understand, unlike
southern Ontario, there are areas where the elevation affects weather
greatly.


Very true. The mean monthly temperature for January in the UK ranges
between about 4C (39F) and 6C (43F) for low-level stations, depending on
which part of the country you are in. That means that it's very common
for a few hundred feet in elevation to make all the difference between
rain and snow. Elevation also has a big effect on precipitation amounts.
--
John Hall
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Will in Dartmoor and Nick in Devon, thanks for your info about the
weather in your neck of the woods.

The temperature variation in any given place in the UK is not extreme,
due to your maritime climate. However, from what I understand, unlike
southern Ontario, there are areas where the elevation affects weather
greatly.

On a separate note, a branch of my family on my father's side (the
Webbers) originally came from Chawleigh in Devon.

Bob :-)


Hi again Bob,

Elevation makes a massive difference in the UK. Western and northern hills are
very wet. Conversely eastern areas in the normal rain shadow are relatively dry.
Obviously snow is more common higher up but even modest hills of just 150m to
200m can have a noticeable effect. In northern Britain, high ground above 700m
has a very wintry climate in winter and in Scotland the climate is almost arctic
above the 900m contour. Distance from the sea also makes quite a big difference
as regards temperature, also urban influences. The SE is hottest in summer being
furthest from the temperate Atlantic, the SE can also have low temperatures in
winter due to the same effect. For such a small island our weather is one of the
most varying in the world.

Will
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"mittens" wrote in message
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Will in Dartmoor and Nick in Devon, thanks for your info about the
weather in your neck of the woods.

The temperature variation in any given place in the UK is not extreme,
due to your maritime climate. However, from what I understand, unlike
southern Ontario, there are areas where the elevation affects weather
greatly.

On a separate note, a branch of my family on my father's side (the
Webbers) originally came from Chawleigh in Devon.

Bob :-)


Hi again Bob,

Elevation makes a massive difference in the UK. Western and northern hills
are
very wet. Conversely eastern areas in the normal rain shadow are
relatively dry.
Obviously snow is more common higher up but even modest hills of just 150m
to
200m can have a noticeable effect. In northern Britain, high ground above
700m
has a very wintry climate in winter and in Scotland the climate is almost
arctic
above the 900m contour. Distance from the sea also makes quite a big
difference
as regards temperature, also urban influences. The SE is hottest in summer
being
furthest from the temperate Atlantic, the SE can also have low
temperatures in
winter due to the same effect. For such a small island our weather is one
of the
most varying in the world.

Will
--

And if I may add a little. Even the modest height of the Wolds in Yorkshire
and Lincolnshire which are predominantly below 200m, can make a significant
difference.

--
David Mitchell, 70m amsl, Langtoft, East Riding of Yorkshire.


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And even on my "high" (?) ground 140 metres above sea level, we can
have very different weather from the bottom of the hill. I have lived
here for 16 years and I reckon we must be one of the snowiest areas of
SE England - well, it must have snowed at least ten times in those 16
years:-)

Jack in South Cambridgeshire (approx 52 degs N : 0 degs E/W)


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And even on my "high" (?) ground 140 metres above sea level, we can
have very different weather from the bottom of the hill. I have lived
here for 16 years and I reckon we must be one of the snowiest areas of
SE England - well, it must have snowed at least ten times in those 16
years:-)

Jack in South Cambridgeshire (approx 52 degs N : 0 degs E/W)

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I said to my wife "it would have snowed here last night if we were higher"
(true) . She said " sorry, about that, Dave"
I wanted altitude, but all I got was platitude. ;-(

Dave


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On Jan 13, 12:24*am, "Dave Cornwell"
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... And even on my "high" (?) ground 140 metres above sea level, we can
have very different weather from the bottom of the hill. *I have lived
here for 16 years and I reckon we must be one of the snowiest areas of
SE England - well, it must have snowed at least ten times in those 16
years:-)


Jack in South Cambridgeshire (approx 52 degs N : 0 degs E/W)


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I said to my wife "it would have snowed here last night if we were higher"
(true) . She said " sorry, about that, Dave"
I wanted altitude, but all I got was platitude. ;-(

Dave


Well, it probably would have done, but there again if your
aunt's got balls she's your uncle.
To be serious for once, it's worth noting that here, 15 miles south of
central London at 556 ft (169 m) the mean annual rainfall (25 yrs,
measured) is 814 mm (32.0") whereas the figure for central London
itself is probably no more than 600 mm or about 23". Some of this
difference is a slight rain-shadow effect but most of it is purely
altitude. There is a big difference in the amount of snow but a lot
if that is due to the heat-island effect.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.
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In article ,
Dave Cornwell writes:
I said to my wife "it would have snowed here last night if we were higher"
(true) . She said " sorry, about that, Dave"
I wanted altitude, but all I got was platitude. ;-(


When it rains here, I sometimes think: "It's snowing less than 2 miles
away." The 2 miles being straight up, of course.
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John Hall
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particularly from a relative, a friend,
an acquaintance, or a stranger." Franklin P Jones
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"John Hall" wrote in message
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In article ,
Dave Cornwell writes:
I said to my wife "it would have snowed here last night if we were higher"
(true) . She said " sorry, about that, Dave"
I wanted altitude, but all I got was platitude. ;-(


When it rains here, I sometimes think: "It's snowing less than 2 miles
away." The 2 miles being straight up, of course.


Yes, it's strange to think that 8 miles away the temperature is about -50C.
--
Col


Bolton, Lancashire
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"Col" wrote in message
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"John Hall" wrote in message
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In article ,
Dave Cornwell writes:
I said to my wife "it would have snowed here last night if we were higher"
(true) . She said " sorry, about that, Dave"
I wanted altitude, but all I got was platitude. ;-(


When it rains here, I sometimes think: "It's snowing less than 2 miles
away." The 2 miles being straight up, of course.


Yes, it's strange to think that 8 miles away the temperature is about -50C.
--
Col


I've often wondered how much fun it would be if the UK were a 1000m plateau,
dropping steeply into the sea all around. We would have sun traps in the east
and south and dry but arctic conditions on the plateau in winter. Would make for
some interesting forecasts too?

Will
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Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl







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