"Martin Rowley" wrote in message
...
"Richard Dixon" wrote in message
...
On 6 Mar, 14:32, "David Ledbury" wrote:
Sorry should be the T+108 and 132 charts haven't been updated,
looks like
the rest have.


... the withdrawal of these charts has been on the stocks for some
time - at least three years.

I'm somewhat surprised that an explanatory note wasn't added to the
final charts.

Martin.


Sad days :-(

Will
--

We are all assuming it's the Met Office to blame.

The basic source for the "mirrors" is NOAA. To the best of my
knowledge, H+108 and H+132 were never available on internet direct
from the MetOffice, only via this tortuous route:

http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/fax/

Now NOAA hasn't been updating with the PPVN89 (the H+108 chart) and
the PPVP89 (the H+132) since 4th March. So maybe that is the problem,
not the MetOffice.

Jack

On Mar 7, 1:15*pm, "Jack )"
wrote:
We are all assuming it's the Met Office to blame.


... it's a management decision: the last issue was that on the 4th
March. As I wrote earlier, it's been on the stocks for some time -
this will free up staff time to do other things - there is a body of
opinion that *all* the human-produced charts should be withdrawn, at
least beyond day 3.

Martin.

wrote:

On Mar 7, 1:15*pm, "Jack )"
wrote:
We are all assuming it's the Met Office to blame.


... it's a management decision: the last issue was that on the 4th
March. As I wrote earlier, it's been on the stocks for some time -
this will free up staff time to do other things - there is a body of
opinion that all the human-produced charts should be withdrawn, at
least beyond day 3.

Martin.

Perhaps the next step is to withdraw all the humans :-)

Norman
--
Norman Lynagh
Chalfont St Giles, Buckinghamshire
85m a.s.l.
(remove "thisbit" twice to e-mail)

The charts can also be glimpsed at
http://www.met.rdg.ac.uk/~brugge/

Click on them to get the full size image.

I will delete the ones no longer updated.

Roger

Jack ) wrote:
We are all assuming it's the Met Office to blame.

The basic source for the "mirrors" is NOAA. To the best of my
knowledge, H+108 and H+132 were never available on internet direct
from the MetOffice, only via this tortuous route:

http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/fax/

Now NOAA hasn't been updating with the PPVN89 (the H+108 chart) and
the PPVP89 (the H+132) since 4th March. So maybe that is the problem,
not the MetOffice.

Jack

On Mar 7, 2:10*pm, "Norman" wrote:

Perhaps the next step is to withdraw all the humans :-)


... not as fanciful as you might suppose. I was a minor factotum in
the Met Office many years back now, when the then Chief Executive
(about 4 back I think .. but I've lost count), actually circulated,
for management eyes only, a long-term vision which included the aim of
passing forecast data direct from machine to user, no humans in
between. Bearing in mind that at the time we couldn't envisage the
wholesale closure of the Weather Centre network, I suggest the end of
the 'man-machine' mix may not be delayed indefinitely.

Martin.

On 7 Mar, 14:01, wrote:

... it's a management decision: the last issue was that on the 4th
March. As I wrote earlier, it's been on the stocks for some time -
this will free up staff time to do other things - there is a body of
opinion that *all* the human-produced charts should be withdrawn, at
least beyond day 3.

Obviously nothing we can do but with the forecasts getting better and
better you would think that management would want to publicise their
increasing expertise and in that way might generate more money.

The Met Office must be an embarrassing organisation to work for
nowadays. And to think it used to be considered a world leader!

Jack

wrote:

On Mar 7, 2:10*pm, "Norman" wrote:

Perhaps the next step is to withdraw all the humans :-)


... not as fanciful as you might suppose. I was a minor factotum in
the Met Office many years back now, when the then Chief Executive
(about 4 back I think .. but I've lost count), actually circulated,
for management eyes only, a long-term vision which included the aim of
passing forecast data direct from machine to user, no humans in
between. Bearing in mind that at the time we couldn't envisage the
wholesale closure of the Weather Centre network, I suggest the end of
the 'man-machine' mix may not be delayed indefinitely.


The vast majority of forecasts have been transmitted direct from machine to
user for many years. There were odd Canute-like attempts by management to
stem the advancing tide of automation during the past thirty years but
manual intervention could only affect a few of the 70-odd thousand
automatic products broadcast each day.

When I started programming in the Met Office thirty years ago there'd
already been attempts to produced an automated shipping forecast.

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. E-mail: newsman, not newsboy.
"What use is happiness? It can't buy you money." [Chic Murray, 1919-85]