"Richard Dixon" wrote in message
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"Jack )" wrote in
:

Does anyone seriously believe the out-of-character post originated
from TH himself rather an interloper acting as an agent provocoteur
in this instance?

I find it inconceivable that it orginated from TH. Totally out of
character.

Or, given the time of the post, a rant after one too many ales?!

Indeed, that's something that occured to me.
Never mind all this dark talk about imposters and agent provocateurs,
the simplest explanation is usually the best. We know Tudor had
become increasingly irritated by the predominace of SW posts and
perhaps he just lost it with a belly full of beer and decided to vent
his spleen?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

On 6 Jul, 13:13, Dawlish wrote:
On Jul 6, 11:44*am, "jovian hypercane" jovian hypercane@global

warming .com wrote:
Does anyone seriously believe the out-of-character post originated from TH
himself rather an interloper acting as an agent provocoteur in this
instance?Permit the accused to explain the circumstances if possible prior
the hard and fast accusations.

I honestly think that's a good idea. I know Tudor doesn't love what I
say and he has forthright views about people, but that is way, way,
out of character, for an obviously well educated man.

Paul

I hope Tudor decides to return, and I've been trying my best not to
respond to your patronising posts, but I've just had a couple of
drinks, so I don't care. I hope you reflect on your remarks regarding
low income families, single mothers, in fact anyone who some elitist
snob.

E.g.
"Like I say, the understanding of such terms as "weather advisory" is
OK for anyone reading this site, but most of the people here are in
the highest educational elite, many of us having degrees, some of us
several and some of us members of some pretty elite academic
organisations, which are truly arcane when viewed in the wider context
of life! "
or
"A "Hydrometeorological" unit is a very nice word, but I'm not sure
many single parents and low-income workers would be able to say it,"

I find remarks like that offensive. I think you'll find a good
proportion of lifeboatmen are on low incomes, but manage to understand
the shipping forecast. Having a degree doesn't make you a better
person, but can make it easier to become a patronising *******.

Just a personal view, Weatherlawyer was so nice in retropspect.

Feel free to have the last word.

Graham
Penzance

On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:41:18 -0700 (PDT), "Jack
)" wrote:

I find it inconceivable that it orginated from TH. Totally out of
character.

After my little spat with 'Dawlish' at the beginning of May when he was
attempting to whip up a vendetta against 'Weatherlawyer', I received an
e-mail from him. It was couched in terms so vicious that I deleted it
before Lesley could read it and put 'Dawlish' into my e-mail kill file.
It concluded by referring to the 'bitterness festering in my guts'.

If Tudor has been a recipient of the sort of e-mail that I received and
hasn't killed them at source after the first one then I can quite easily
believe that he posted what he has. While I don't agree with his
language I endorse his sentiments.

Given the above, the latest from 'Dawlish' in this thread is so mind
boggling in its hypocrisy that words fail me, which is probably just as
well.

It's all very sad.

Sorry about this, but I thought the background should be known..

I've e-mailed Tudor, called him an idiot and offered a shoulder. I think
he might need it.

--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather

On Jul 6, 5:55*pm, Alan White wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:41:18 -0700 (PDT), "Jack

)" wrote:
I find it inconceivable that it orginated from TH. *Totally out of
character.

After my little spat with 'Dawlish' at the beginning of May when he was
attempting to whip up a vendetta against 'Weatherlawyer', I received an
e-mail from him. It was couched in terms so vicious that I deleted it
before Lesley could read it and put 'Dawlish' into my e-mail kill file.
It concluded by referring to the 'bitterness festering in my guts'.

If Tudor has been a recipient of the sort of e-mail that I received and
hasn't killed them at source after the first one then I can quite easily
believe that he posted what he has. While I don't agree with his
language I endorse his sentiments.

Given the above, the latest from 'Dawlish' in this thread is so mind
boggling in its hypocrisy that words fail me, which is probably just as
well.

It's all very sad.

Sorry about this, but I thought the background should be known..

I've e-mailed Tudor, called him an idiot and offered a shoulder. I think
he might need it.

--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:-http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather

That deserves a response in defence.

I can assure you that our correspondence (two-way, Alan, not one way,
with very similar sentiments on both sides and culminating, actually,
in no particularly bad feeling, which is good - I thought the
background should be known too) was nothing like the email I received
from Tudor, saying "goodbye" today and please don't try to stir up
feelings by innuendo and assumption about the supposed content of my
personal correspondence with anyone. I could forward the penultimate
email I recieved from Tudor, should you wish and the sentiments
contained within might surprise you, but I would never publish actual
email content from anyone, even in my own defence. The support I have
in my inbox for posting and also standing up about various issues,
since I started in the discussion group is very heartening, I can
assure you. It is far greater than the emails from Tudor, some
correspondence with yorself and also with W. However, I don't suppose
you would wish me to forward to you your friend's email to me today.
There is no way that I could ever condone support in any way, shape,
or form, from abusive people, in public, on weather sites, or
discussion boards. Never have, never will. Defending people against
bullies and abusers has got me into trouble many times and I don't
regret those actions in the slightest. I'd do the same again without
fear, or favour.

It was Tudor who wrote that post, amazingly enough. After a post like
that, good riddance, but I doubt someone with axes as blunt as his
will be able to stay away from grinding them for long.

It is, as you say Alan, all very sad. Putting one's case and arguing
it well, keeping personal insults and feelings away from the
discussion group, is by far the best way. BUT, I would always reserve
the right to defend myself and support others, should they need it
from abuse such as is perpetrated by a (thankfully) tiny number of
people in public, on the boards.

Paul



Graham, please read that post on the weather warnings again. In
Education, I work with all sorts of disadvantaged groups and all the
research shows that poverty is inextricably linked to poor literacy
standards. I argued at length about that on another thread. I was
talking about the percieved elitism of another poster, now gone. It's
a fact that many on here are very highly educated and members of some
(to the general public) very arcane organisations. It's also a fact
that the old and the poor aren't accessing weather warnings, well
enough. My point was that it isn't their fault. It's so easy for
people to assume that others have the same capabilities as themselves.
They don't and the EA and the MetO have to bear that in mind. The Pitt
report highlights that beautifully.

Patronising ******* eh? Nice touch! Argue your case sober. People who
use the word "patronising" usually do so because the argument they
face is a difficult one to counter and it's easier to snipe than
present a cogent argument in response. People who argue well very
seldom use that term. I always retain the right to defence, Graham,
should you insult me in public. I never have you, until that attack.
Feel free. of course, to have the last word.

On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 11:19:05 -0700 (PDT), Dawlish
wrote:

I can assure you that our correspondence (two-way, Alan, not one way,
with very similar sentiments on both sides and culminating, actually,
in no particularly bad feeling, which is good...

Here's my response to your original e-mail.

Please publish your original, with headers, so that mine is in context.
Don't miss out the bit about my festering guts.

quote
From: Alan White
To: Dawlish
Subject: World weather map
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 18:14:24 +0100
Organization: G84
Message-ID:
References:







In-Reply-To:

X-Mailer: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652

Hi,

Thanks for the e-mail. As it's considered poor netiquette to respond to
Usenet posts by e-mail, could you please post it again but this time to
uk.sci.weather where I've had my last word so there'll be no come back
from me.

I'm sorry about my spelling of ad hominum. Put it down to a combination
of waning powers, lack of breakfast, the fact that I wasn't wearing my
specs and misuse of my spellchecker. I've never visited TWO. I picked up
the phrase from a chap called James Boyle at a meeting I attended in
1989.

--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in
Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather
/quote

--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather

On Jul 6, 7:50*pm, Alan White wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 11:19:05 -0700 (PDT), Dawlish
wrote:

I can assure you that our correspondence (two-way, Alan, not one way,
with very similar sentiments on both sides and culminating, actually,
in no particularly bad feeling, which is good...

Here's my response to your original e-mail.

Please publish your original, with headers, so that mine is in context.
Don't miss out the bit about my festering guts.

quote
From: Alan White
To: Dawlish
Subject: World weather map
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 18:14:24 +0100
Organization: G84
Message-ID:
References:







In-Reply-To:

X-Mailer: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652

Hi,

Thanks for the e-mail. As it's considered poor netiquette to respond to
Usenet posts by e-mail, could you please post it again but this time to
uk.sci.weather where I've had my last word so there'll be no come back
from me.

I'm sorry about my spelling of ad hominum. Put it down to a combination
of waning powers, lack of breakfast, the fact that I wasn't wearing my
specs and misuse of my spellchecker. I've never visited TWO. I picked up
the phrase from a chap called James Boyle at a meeting I attended in
1989.

--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in
Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:-http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather
/quote

--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:-http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather

Thought you might go down that line. I would never post personal
emails on public sites. They are what they are - personal.

Your position of support for an abusive individual is clear. Little
else to add. I look forward to your future posts on the weather.

Paul

Dawlish wrote in
:

That deserves a response in defence.

Large post snipped

As largely a lurker on here these days, I find it gobsmacking that people
can actually get het up enough to write enormous emails defending
themselves. Just let it lie, and I politely suggest get on with your life
outside the newsgroup for heavens' sake!

Richard

On 2008-07-06 21:58:24 +0100, Richard Dixon said:

Dawlish wrote in
:

That deserves a response in defence.

Large post snipped

As largely a lurker on here these days, I find it gobsmacking that people
can actually get het up enough to write enormous emails defending
themselves. Just let it lie, and I politely suggest get on with your life
outside the newsgroup for heavens' sake!

Richard

Richard - I completely agree. To spend so much time and energy
articulating a justfication or an argument (with people you'll probably
never meet face to face) when it should be spent enjoying a hobby is
beyond me.

50% of posts nowadays resemble a Jeremy Kyle blog site; where did the
newsgroup of 6 years ago disappear to?

Joe
--
Hampstead, London

On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 22:06:54 +0100, Joe Hunt wrote in


As largely a lurker on here these days, I find it gobsmacking that people
can actually get het up enough to write enormous emails defending
themselves. Just let it lie, and I politely suggest get on with your life
outside the newsgroup for heavens' sake!

Richard

Richard - I completely agree. To spend so much time and energy
articulating a justfication or an argument (with people you'll probably
never meet face to face) when it should be spent enjoying a hobby is
beyond me.

50% of posts nowadays resemble a Jeremy Kyle blog site; where did the
newsgroup of 6 years ago disappear to?

I'm thinking these overlong and verbose posts are doing rather like what a
JCB does best:-)

--
Mike Tullett - Coleraine 55.13°N 6.69°W posted 06/07/2008 21:14:04 GMT

"Joe Hunt" wrote in message
...
On 2008-07-06 21:58:24 +0100, Richard Dixon said:

Dawlish wrote in
:

That deserves a response in defence.

Large post snipped

As largely a lurker on here these days, I find it gobsmacking that people
can actually get het up enough to write enormous emails defending
themselves. Just let it lie, and I politely suggest get on with your life
outside the newsgroup for heavens' sake!

Richard

Richard - I completely agree. To spend so much time and energy
articulating a justfication or an argument (with people you'll probably
never meet face to face) when it should be spent enjoying a hobby is
beyond me.

50% of posts nowadays resemble a Jeremy Kyle blog site; where did the
newsgroup of 6 years ago disappear to?

Joe
--
Hampstead, London



Hey Joe, great to hear from you, how you doing?

To answer your question, people left - you, Richard D., Paul Bartlett, Dave
Reynolds, Phil Gurr to name but a few. When folk leave the character and
culture will inevitably change.

Cheers,

Will
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