Looking at Roger Brugge's site seems to confirm my perception of
central southern England being disproportionately cool this summer
compared to say east Anglia or the Midlands - with places like Middle
Wallop, Boscombe Down, and South Farnborough (I take it this =
Farnborough, Hants) registering decidedly low August (and to a lesser
extent July) mean maximum temperatures, while Kent, Essex and the west
Midlands register temperatures around the norm - and some northern
locations like Hawarden seemingly decidedly warm.

I take it this is due to a combination of frequent onshore winds and
unusually cool sea surface temperatures, caused in turn by a lack of
any really prolonged settled spells since last winter?

Nick

So far all months this year here in the Otter Valley have had a mean
temperature above the LTA. December 2007 was the last month with a mean temp
below the LTA. This July did end up only slightly above the LTA.

This August's mean temp is currently running at +0.6°C (17.2°C),
predominantly due to the prevalence of warm nights but the days have been
cooler than normal.

What does amaze me is that despite the atrocious weather which has dominated
June, July & August so far, this summer will probably end up warmer than the
LTA.
________________
Nick.
Otter Valley, Devon
83 m amsl
http://www.ottervalley.co.uk

wrote in message
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Looking at Roger Brugge's site seems to confirm my perception of
central southern England being disproportionately cool this summer
compared to say east Anglia or the Midlands - with places like Middle
Wallop, Boscombe Down, and South Farnborough (I take it this =
Farnborough, Hants) registering decidedly low August (and to a lesser
extent July) mean maximum temperatures, while Kent, Essex and the west
Midlands register temperatures around the norm - and some northern
locations like Hawarden seemingly decidedly warm.

I take it this is due to a combination of frequent onshore winds and
unusually cool sea surface temperatures, caused in turn by a lack of
any really prolonged settled spells since last winter?

Nick

Nick,

The summer of 2008 is so far returning mean maximum
temperatures significantly below the average in Romsey,
with July 1.5C below normal and August (to the 12th)
running at 1.9C below (June was 0.3C above average).
Opposing this, the August nights are (to the 13th) 1.8C
above the norm.

Nigel

On Aug 13, 8:21 pm, "Nigel Paice" wrote:
wrote in message

...

Looking at Roger Brugge's site seems to confirm my perception of
central southern England being disproportionately cool this summer
compared to say east Anglia or the Midlands - with places like Middle
Wallop, Boscombe Down, and South Farnborough (I take it this =
Farnborough, Hants) registering decidedly low August (and to a lesser
extent July) mean maximum temperatures, while Kent, Essex and the west
Midlands register temperatures around the norm - and some northern
locations like Hawarden seemingly decidedly warm.

I take it this is due to a combination of frequent onshore winds and
unusually cool sea surface temperatures, caused in turn by a lack of
any really prolonged settled spells since last winter?

Nick

Nick,

The summer of 2008 is so far returning mean maximum
temperatures significantly below the average in Romsey,
with July 1.5C below normal and August (to the 12th)
running at 1.9C below (June was 0.3C above average).
Opposing this, the August nights are (to the 13th) 1.8C
above the norm.

Nigel

Nigel,

Yes I know, I'm just down the road in Southampton! What's so striking
about this summer is the lack of that persistent "mild warmth" in the
air which normally appears early July and persists (due to the warm
seas) till at least mid Sep - many, many days have felt too cold to
stay still outside comfortably, rare at this time of the year this far
south.

On the other hand this does not seem to be a 2007 style summer. It
reminds me more of that run of disappointing summers from 1985-88. But
it is not a "typical British summer", at least not for the 1980-2008
period in southern England. A "typical British *bad* summer" maybe...

Nick

On Aug 13, 6:42 pm, "Nick Gardner"
wrote:
So far all months this year here in the Otter Valley have had a mean
temperature above the LTA. December 2007 was the last month with a mean temp
below the LTA. This July did end up only slightly above the LTA.

This August's mean temp is currently running at +0.6°C (17.2°C),
predominantly due to the prevalence of warm nights but the days have been
cooler than normal.

What does amaze me is that despite the atrocious weather which has dominated
June, July & August so far, this summer will probably end up warmer than the
LTA.

Poor you getting it in June as well - round here June was mostly OK,
probably down to that westerly spell with higher pressure at the end,
always a weather type where the areas more towards the SE are
favoured. I guess day maximum temps are more meaningful for answering
the "how good was this summer?" question, though round here night time
temps seem to have been on the cold side too, aside from the 21-31
July period - balmy evenings have been rare.

Nick

"Nick Gardner" wrote in message
...

What does amaze me is that despite the atrocious weather which has
dominated June, July & August so far, this summer will probably end up
warmer than the LTA.
________________
Nick.
Otter Valley, Devon

"despite the atrocious weather "
but isn't that just average? like expected for our kind of Summers. So I
keep getting reminded.
So I say whats new then? No doubt you'll invent something.
Dave R

in 35613 20080814 175159 "Dave R." wrote:
"Nick Gardner" wrote in message
...

What does amaze me is that despite the atrocious weather which has
dominated June, July & August so far, this summer will probably end up
warmer than the LTA.
________________
Nick.
Otter Valley, Devon

"despite the atrocious weather "
but isn't that just average? like expected for our kind of Summers. So I
keep getting reminded.
So I say whats new then? No doubt you'll invent something.
Dave R

I don't know a single person who doesn't think this is the worst summer for many years.

On Aug 15, 9:25*am, Bob Martin wrote:
in 35613 20080814 175159 "Dave R." wrote:

"Nick Gardner" wrote in message
...

What does amaze me is that despite the atrocious weather which has
dominated June, July & August so far, this summer will probably end up
warmer than the LTA.
________________
Nick.
Otter Valley, Devon

"despite the atrocious weather "
but isn't that just average? like expected for our kind of Summers. So I
keep getting reminded.
So I say whats new then? No doubt you'll invent something.
Dave R

I don't know a single person who doesn't think this is the worst summer for many years.

You don't know many people from Gloucester, or Hull, then Bob! *))

Paul

"Bob Martin" wrote:
in 35613 20080814 175159 "Dave R." wrote:
"Nick Gardner" wrote in message
.. .

What does amaze me is that despite the atrocious weather which has
dominated June, July & August so far, this summer will probably end up
warmer than the LTA.

"despite the atrocious weather "
but isn't that just average? like expected for our kind of Summers. So I
keep getting reminded.
So I say whats new then? No doubt you'll invent something.
Dave R

I don't know a single person who doesn't think this is the worst summer
for
many years.

An excellent illustration why human memory/perception is such
a bad measure of historical events.

Philip Eden

On Aug 15, 10:18*am, "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom
wrote:
"Bob Martin" wrote:
in 35613 20080814 175159 "Dave R." wrote:
"Nick Gardner" wrote in message
.. .

What does amaze me is that despite the atrocious weather which has
dominated June, July & August so far, this summer will probably end up
warmer than the LTA.

"despite the atrocious weather "
but isn't that just average? like expected for our kind of Summers. So I
keep getting reminded.
So I say whats new then? No doubt you'll invent something.
Dave R

I don't know a single person who doesn't think this is the worst summer
for
many years.

An excellent illustration why human memory/perception is such
a bad measure of historical events.

Philip Eden- Hide quoted text -

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I couldn't agree more!!